Angler in hyposalinity

Das awesome · 07/14/2013, 02:06 AM

Recently my angler had a breakout of ich after a power failure and I was advised to use hyposalinity to get rid of it. He's been in there about 3 weeks now and it looks like the last spot is gone so now I'm just waiting the month just to be safe. My question is that ever since I started dropping the salinity, he has not eaten or even shown any interest in food. He's only about 2" and I'm worried that if he doesn't start eating soon, I will lose him. How can I get him to start eating again? He was eating fine when he was in my reef.

MrTuskfish · 07/14/2013, 09:24 AM

The angler got ich because your reef tank has ich. The power outage was just a trigger; if that's what caused the ich to show up. The spots you see are not a real indicator of ich's presence; I'd read the ich stickies at the top of the disease forum.

When a system has ich and one fish shows it, it feels good to see it disappear; but as long as ich is in your tank, all fish are in jeopardy. Sooner or later a major stresor (or just timing) is going to bring a major ich outbreak to your entire system. Treating just one fish in an ich infested system is of very little value. The angler may be re-infected as soon as you put him back in the DT. Treating all of your fish while the DT stays fishless for 12 weeks is really the only long-term solution. I assume you don't quarantine all new fish; that's the key. It goes against my nature; but I can't see what difference it would make if you returned the angler now. Be sure you're familiar with the procedure for increasing SG.

Das awesome · 07/14/2013, 09:36 AM

Why would I return it? I've had this angler for over 6 months now. I am very familiar with how ich is and how to treat it and why would you just go and assume that I don't qt? I'd find out more info about things if I were you before I go on accusing people of things that aren't true. I actually qt all my new additions before they go in my fowlr. This angler was in a 14g biocube all by himself. I'm not worried at all about the reef cuz he was the only fish and since he's scaleless and more sensitive to medications, I asked on here what the best way to treat it and was told hyposalinity, I just had to keep a close eye on the pH. So you didn't answer my question at all. My question was how I could get it to start eating since it hasn't eaten at all the entire 3 weeks he's been in treatment and I have another month to go before I start bringing the sg back up and return him to he reef

MrTuskfish · 07/14/2013, 10:38 AM

Sorry about the no QT remark, it was premature. If there is ich in the DT, what is the point of treating the fish, then returning it to a tank known to have ich? My whole point was the reef has ich and you need to do something about it. Your point seems to be that you know there is ich in the tank, but only the angler is at risk because he's scaleless. If you think maintaining a reef with known ich is OK, I guess that's just your business. Ich doesn't stay so passive for ever.

Das awesome · 07/14/2013, 10:42 AM

No worries. I understand that you said the tank has ich, but the angler is the only fish in there so now that he's in a different tank till he's all better, the reef is fishless so there's no host for the ich to attack so it'll just die off over time.

namxas · 07/15/2013, 08:58 AM

Have you tried live food (guppies/ghosties) or is the fish off ALL food?

Anglers have REALLY slow metabolisms, so 3 weeks without food isn't as bad as it seems, esp. if the fish was nice and fat before the crypto.

Das awesome · 07/15/2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by namxas

Have you tried live food (guppies/ghosties) or is the fish off ALL food?

Anglers have REALLY slow metabolisms, so 3 weeks without food isn't as bad as it seems, esp. if the fish was nice and fat before the crypto.

He's off all food. I've been trying really hard the past 6 months to get him onto prepared foods, but he doesn't budge. I understand that they can go a while without food, but I'm more worried about that now that the ich is gone, like the sticky suggested, I'm keeping him at 1.009sg for another month, how will he be without eating for another month? Ever since I started this process, he stopped. He was eating perfectly fine when he was in the reef.

Das awesome · 07/16/2013, 02:13 PM

bump

roenicknewf · 07/16/2013, 02:38 PM

Maybe throw a small chromis or damsel in with him ..

Like namxas said though ,they can go a good while without eating but already at 3 weeks ,i would start trying to get him eating soon..
Maybe put a piece of shrimp on a feeding stick and just leave it in overnight

Das awesome · 07/16/2013, 04:02 PM

I've tried a damsel but he's shown no interest at all. There's still a few ghost shrimp in the tank with him which have been there a couple weeks. I'm debating on putting him back in the reef if he doesn't eat in another week since I haven't seen the ick the past few days, almost week. He was eating fine when he was in there.

07/14/2013, 02:06 AM	#1
Das awesome Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	Angler in hyposalinity Recently my angler had a breakout of ich after a power failure and I was advised to use hyposalinity to get rid of it. He's been in there about 3 weeks now and it looks like the last spot is gone so now I'm just waiting the month just to be safe. My question is that ever since I started dropping the salinity, he has not eaten or even shown any interest in food. He's only about 2" and I'm worried that if he doesn't start eating soon, I will lose him. How can I get him to start eating again? He was eating fine when he was in my reef.

07/14/2013, 09:24 AM	#2
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 8,887	The angler got ich because your reef tank has ich. The power outage was just a trigger; if that's what caused the ich to show up. The spots you see are not a real indicator of ich's presence; I'd read the ich stickies at the top of the disease forum. When a system has ich and one fish shows it, it feels good to see it disappear; but as long as ich is in your tank, all fish are in jeopardy. Sooner or later a major stresor (or just timing) is going to bring a major ich outbreak to your entire system. Treating just one fish in an ich infested system is of very little value. The angler may be re-infected as soon as you put him back in the DT. Treating all of your fish while the DT stays fishless for 12 weeks is really the only long-term solution. I assume you don't quarantine all new fish; that's the key. It goes against my nature; but I can't see what difference it would make if you returned the angler now. Be sure you're familiar with the procedure for increasing SG. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Steve Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

07/14/2013, 09:36 AM	#3
Das awesome Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	Why would I return it? I've had this angler for over 6 months now. I am very familiar with how ich is and how to treat it and why would you just go and assume that I don't qt? I'd find out more info about things if I were you before I go on accusing people of things that aren't true. I actually qt all my new additions before they go in my fowlr. This angler was in a 14g biocube all by himself. I'm not worried at all about the reef cuz he was the only fish and since he's scaleless and more sensitive to medications, I asked on here what the best way to treat it and was told hyposalinity, I just had to keep a close eye on the pH. So you didn't answer my question at all. My question was how I could get it to start eating since it hasn't eaten at all the entire 3 weeks he's been in treatment and I have another month to go before I start bringing the sg back up and return him to he reef Last edited by Das awesome; 07/14/2013 at 09:43 AM.

07/14/2013, 10:38 AM	#4
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 8,887	Sorry about the no QT remark, it was premature. If there is ich in the DT, what is the point of treating the fish, then returning it to a tank known to have ich? My whole point was the reef has ich and you need to do something about it. Your point seems to be that you know there is ich in the tank, but only the angler is at risk because he's scaleless. If you think maintaining a reef with known ich is OK, I guess that's just your business. Ich doesn't stay so passive for ever. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Steve Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

07/15/2013, 08:58 AM	#6
namxas Things With Stings R Us! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Carson, CA Posts: 5,087	Have you tried live food (guppies/ghosties) or is the fish off ALL food? Anglers have REALLY slow metabolisms, so 3 weeks without food isn't as bad as it seems, esp. if the fish was nice and fat before the crypto. __________________ Greg Current Tank Info: too many to describe, but i think the count is up to "lucky 13"!

07/14/2013, 10:42 AM	#5
Das awesome Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	No worries. I understand that you said the tank has ich, but the angler is the only fish in there so now that he's in a different tank till he's all better, the reef is fishless so there's no host for the ich to attack so it'll just die off over time.

07/16/2013, 02:13 PM	#8
Das awesome Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	bump

07/16/2013, 02:38 PM	#9
roenicknewf Tank is never big enough Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Treasure Lake PA Posts: 372	Maybe throw a small chromis or damsel in with him .. Like namxas said though ,they can go a good while without eating but already at 3 weeks ,i would start trying to get him eating soon.. Maybe put a piece of shrimp on a feeding stick and just leave it in overnight __________________ I have algae growing,on my screen ;) Current Tank Info: 265 FOWLR,2 anglers each in a 30

07/16/2013, 04:02 PM	#10
Das awesome Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	I've tried a damsel but he's shown no interest at all. There's still a few ghost shrimp in the tank with him which have been there a couple weeks. I'm debating on putting him back in the reef if he doesn't eat in another week since I haven't seen the ick the past few days, almost week. He was eating fine when he was in there.