Rossmont Waver/Mover

RAMABAMA · 03/28/2017, 04:26 PM

I am seriously considering purchasing the Rossmont waver and a couple movers. Anyone have any experience using these? All other thoughts about this product would be appreciated.

gcarroll · 03/28/2017, 05:45 PM

I never used them, but I know there was another very experienced pump manufacturer speaking highly of them. They are definitely well built from what I could see. Maybe ksed can share some more info as he has researched them.

ksed · 03/28/2017, 07:19 PM

There doesn't seem to be many revyon them but the few that are , speak highly of them. As Greg mentioned they seem well built and come with a good warranty.

d-man · 03/28/2017, 07:28 PM

Just wish they were stronger. I need more power!

ksed · 03/28/2017, 08:27 PM

4100gph?

RAMABAMA · 03/29/2017, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ksed

There doesn't seem to be many revyon them but the few that are , speak highly of them. As Greg mentioned they seem well built and come with a good warranty.

Defiantly looks like a good product, pricing is not bad and the warranty is outstanding. My only reservation with pulling the trigger is I have been burned many times giving new things a chance. I know these have been around for a while but it seems not many people have been using them. Although we all know people not satisfied with a product voice their opinion a lot louder than the ones who are satisfied. So maybe it’s a good sign there is not much feedback. Who knows…

gcarroll · 03/29/2017, 09:27 AM

The pumps have been around for a couple years now. I personally think it was a bad idea to market them as AC. I feel they should just call them controllable. For some reason hobbyists are rebelling against AC pumps and they are left with a stigma.

ReefPharmer · 03/29/2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

The pumps have been around for a couple years now. I personally think it was a bad idea to market them as AC. I feel they should just call them controllable. For some reason hobbyists are rebelling against AC pumps and they are left with a stigma.

I looked at them and still don't quite get how they work. They just are on/off? Basically like a better built koralia?

gcarroll · 03/29/2017, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefPharmer

I looked at them and still don't quite get how they work. They just are on/off? Basically like a better built koralia?

No, with the controller, they can ramp up and down just like any DC pump. Without the controller, they work just like any AC pump. confusion like yours my be what has held them back.

Potatohead · 03/29/2017, 09:45 AM

FWIW Sicce also is releasing return pumps with controllable AC. It is cheaper and more reliable than DC, hence the reasons for using it.

gcarroll · 03/29/2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Potatohead

FWIW Sicce also is releasing return pumps with controllable AC. It is cheaper and more reliable than DC, hence the reasons for using it.

Actually they are releasing 2 lines of pumps. One is AC (Sicce ADV) and one is DC (Sicce SDC). The AC is not controllable.
http://sicceus.com/sdc_adv.html

gus6464 · 03/29/2017, 10:08 AM

I wanted to replace the Sicce on my Vertex Omega with the new SDC skimmer pump but Sicce told me at MACNA that the front housing on the Vertex is custom so it can't be a direct swap

Potatohead · 03/29/2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

Actually they are releasing 2 lines of pumps. One is AC (Sicce ADV) and one is DC (Sicce SDC). The AC is not controllable.
http://sicceus.com/sdc_adv.html

Interesting, I watched a reef builder video where they mentioned controllable AC pumps. Hmm

gcarroll · 03/29/2017, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gus6464

I wanted to replace the Sicce on my Vertex Omega with the new SDC skimmer pump but Sicce told me at MACNA that the front housing on the Vertex is custom so it can't be a direct swap

That is one of the reasons, I am opposed to skimmers with pumps in the body. At least the Vertex uses a common Sicce. You can always pick up another motor block. When it's a less common brand you are SOL. Like Skimz and Nyos with the Eden and Deltec with the Aquabee. Just not a fan.

gcarroll · 03/29/2017, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Potatohead

Interesting, I watched a reef builder video where they mentioned controllable AC pumps. Hmm

Besides that the Rossmont is not comparable because it is a propeller pump. Apples and oranges.

Potatohead · 03/29/2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

Besides that the Rossmont is not comparable because it is a propeller pump. Apples and oranges.

Was just trying to point out that controllable AC is a viable alternative to DC

ksed · 03/29/2017, 09:02 PM

All brushless pumps are AC pumps, unless they run on brushes.Its the way they are being controlled or more commonly used word commutation. You have high voltage or low voltage controllable pumps. DC or controllable pumps offer the advantage of being controlled, but for an example a return pump IMO has limited use for these types of pumps . Hard to beat the reliability and simplicity of a non controllable pump. JMO

Bronx19 · 03/29/2017, 09:04 PM

If I were starting a new build I would definitely give these a go. They look to be good quality and a fraction of the price of the bog boys. Hopefully they apply some pressure to the market.

ksed · 03/29/2017, 09:48 PM

What they need also is better marketing.

peder · 03/30/2017, 04:23 AM

I have 2 15200 mover and waver controller, i love Them ;-) very very silent, a lot off power,
Broad flow, and easy programing on my iPad.
I Think here in Europe a lot off reefers are "join the Rossmont Way "

RAMABAMA · 03/30/2017, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peder

I have 2 15200 mover and waver controller, i love Them ;-) very very silent, a lot off power,
Broad flow, and easy programing on my iPad.
I Think here in Europe a lot off reefers are "join the Rossmont Way "

Good to hear, thanks for the feedback!

d-man · 03/30/2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ksed

4100gph?

Yes, I have a 860g 145" tank. 4100gph won't do it

I have 3 rw20
3 wp 60
2 gyre xf250
And 2 return fluvals sp6

So yes, 4100 is still too little

reefkeeper2 · 03/30/2017, 09:20 PM

I bought two of them ( don't remember the model number but it was the largest) and found them to be powerful but unfortunately too noisy. I have to place my powerheads on the overflows of my tank because it's viewed from all sides. The vibration was too much and they could be heard whenever they were on. This might not be the case if they are mounted on the side or back of an aquarium. However my Tunzes cannot be heard at all and they are all mounted on the overflows.

malawinovice · 04/29/2017, 03:28 AM

Any new rossmont users?

Looking for pair for 120 reef softies and lps.

ksed · 04/29/2017, 10:47 AM

I hope to get a pair soon. I here great things about these pumps.

03/28/2017, 04:26 PM	#1
RAMABAMA Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Jax, FL Posts: 24	Rossmont Waver/Mover I am seriously considering purchasing the Rossmont waver and a couple movers. Anyone have any experience using these? All other thoughts about this product would be appreciated.

03/28/2017, 05:45 PM	#2
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	I never used them, but I know there was another very experienced pump manufacturer speaking highly of them. They are definitely well built from what I could see. Maybe ksed can share some more info as he has researched them. __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

03/29/2017, 09:27 AM	#7
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	The pumps have been around for a couple years now. I personally think it was a bad idea to market them as AC. I feel they should just call them controllable. For some reason hobbyists are rebelling against AC pumps and they are left with a stigma. __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

03/30/2017, 09:20 PM	#23
reefkeeper2 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Bridgewater, MA Posts: 1,234	I bought two of them ( don't remember the model number but it was the largest) and found them to be powerful but unfortunately too noisy. I have to place my powerheads on the overflows of my tank because it's viewed from all sides. The vibration was too much and they could be heard whenever they were on. This might not be the case if they are mounted on the side or back of an aquarium. However my Tunzes cannot be heard at all and they are all mounted on the overflows. __________________ Paul Dec 08 TOTM Current Tank Info: Envisions 427gal

03/28/2017, 07:19 PM	#3
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	There doesn't seem to be many revyon them but the few that are , speak highly of them. As Greg mentioned they seem well built and come with a good warranty.

03/28/2017, 07:28 PM	#4
d-man Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: San Diego, ca Posts: 2,732	Just wish they were stronger. I need more power!

03/28/2017, 08:27 PM	#5
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	4100gph?

03/29/2017, 09:45 AM	#10
Potatohead Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,596	FWIW Sicce also is releasing return pumps with controllable AC. It is cheaper and more reliable than DC, hence the reasons for using it.

03/29/2017, 10:08 AM	#12
gus6464 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,079	I wanted to replace the Sicce on my Vertex Omega with the new SDC skimmer pump but Sicce told me at MACNA that the front housing on the Vertex is custom so it can't be a direct swap

03/29/2017, 09:02 PM	#17
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	All brushless pumps are AC pumps, unless they run on brushes.Its the way they are being controlled or more commonly used word commutation. You have high voltage or low voltage controllable pumps. DC or controllable pumps offer the advantage of being controlled, but for an example a return pump IMO has limited use for these types of pumps . Hard to beat the reliability and simplicity of a non controllable pump. JMO

03/29/2017, 09:04 PM	#18
Bronx19 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 223	If I were starting a new build I would definitely give these a go. They look to be good quality and a fraction of the price of the bog boys. Hopefully they apply some pressure to the market.

03/29/2017, 09:48 PM	#19
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	What they need also is better marketing.

03/30/2017, 04:23 AM	#20
peder Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 62	I have 2 15200 mover and waver controller, i love Them ;-) very very silent, a lot off power, Broad flow, and easy programing on my iPad. I Think here in Europe a lot off reefers are "join the Rossmont Way "

04/29/2017, 03:28 AM	#24
malawinovice Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 677	Any new rossmont users? Looking for pair for 120 reef softies and lps.

04/29/2017, 10:47 AM	#25
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	I hope to get a pair soon. I here great things about these pumps.