Looking to start my first saltwater tank, i have questions

oddjob208 · 12/28/2007, 11:11 PM

To start off I am looking to convert my tall corner hex, about 40 gal, to a saltwater system, i have done my reading but i still have questions....
I ideally would like to stock it with a few fish, some soft corals and polyps (with hopes of expanding to other types), an anemone, and the cleanup crew of inverts. with this idea in mind comes the questions....

Filtration, i wanted to use live rock and sand, plus a HOB protien skimmer, is this enough?

Lighting, apparently a sore topic amongst boards with very few conclusions, I believe i want to use T5 HO bulbs, in a 4 bulb arrangement, 2x 10K and 2 460nm actinic, i am trying to avoid MH, i think they are overkill. however this being said, i am looking at 3 different fixtures and was wondering peoples overall thoughts on them, the first being the cheaper Nova Extreme, the second being a Tek system, and the third being me sucking it up and getting an Outer orbit.

Stocking: technically what defines a "few" fish in a tank my size? i would like to have a pair of clowns, fire fish, longnose hawkfish, and kaudern's cardinal x2, and chromis x2. however i feel like this has to be cut, opinions?

Anemone: i woudl like to have a green bulb tip, how challenging is it to keep?

well this is all i can think of for now, if i have more i'll be sure to ask, i know i'm not looking for a flawless production, i'm just trying to avoid the major disasters and extra expenses down the road..

JUNI0R · 12/29/2007, 12:18 PM

Live rock, live sand and aprotein skimmer are the best filtration method IMO. Don't go cheap on the protein skimmer. I would suggest using a sump so you don't have to get a HOB skimmer but thats just my opinion.

T5 HO should work for your tank but get ones with individual reflectors.

Wait to get an anemone until your tank is mature (I've read 9-12 months)

Good luck with your tank

Sk8r · 12/29/2007, 12:39 PM

Best not to have an anemone in a coral tank: too much chance of ambulatory warfare. I've done it. I don't recommend it. Your clowns would go for one of the quieter toadstools or the like with no trouble.
Your plans are generally good.
I would suggest percula or pink skunk clowns: they stay smaller and are more peaceful.

oddjob208 · 12/29/2007, 05:12 PM

thanks for the heads up on the anemone, it will probably end up getting scratched off the list there.

with the sump idea, i had though about putting my small 10 gal under there however the cabinet has very little space (its cramped with my canister filter and power strip) so i will have to see about that

for skimmers, i was looking at a tunze or a bak pak, they seemed to be the only liked brands for small tanks. are there any suggestions for smaller in sump brands?

warrenm107 · 12/29/2007, 05:22 PM

A lot of people are going to disagree, but I use an Aqua C Remora Pro hang-on skimmer.

oddjob208 · 12/30/2007, 12:39 PM

are there advantages/disadvantages for using LR from different areas?
or is it strictly aesthetics?

for a beginner is is better to use a DSB or just the 1in to cover the bottom of the tank?

with live sand, buy enough for the entire tank? or but about half as much then get the rest as non living?

clevername · 12/30/2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JUNI0R
Live rock, live sand and aprotein skimmer are the best filtration method IMO. Don't go cheap on the protein skimmer. I would suggest using a sump so you don't have to get a HOB skimmer but thats just my opinion.

T5 HO should work for your tank but get ones with individual reflectors.

Wait to get an anemone until your tank is mature (I've read 9-12 months)

Good luck with your tank

This saves me a long reply; Exactly what i was going to type.

clevername · 12/30/2007, 12:57 PM

DSB is easy and well worth it. The problem is it can get dirty quickly.

Rock is rock, dead or alive, good or bad looking.....its all the same.

Same goes for sand....

One way or another its going to be alive, go ahead and buy some cheap HD sand and save your money.

Checkout my pictures for the sand. There have been many threads on here that have used this perfectly.

oddjob208 · 12/31/2007, 10:35 AM

does LS need to be cured?

if im going to cure the rock in my tank can i add the sand in at the same time? so the tank has rock sand and saltwater. then im just checking all my lvls

12/28/2007, 11:11 PM	#1
oddjob208 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lebanon, New Jersey Posts: 102	Looking to start my first saltwater tank, i have questions To start off I am looking to convert my tall corner hex, about 40 gal, to a saltwater system, i have done my reading but i still have questions.... I ideally would like to stock it with a few fish, some soft corals and polyps (with hopes of expanding to other types), an anemone, and the cleanup crew of inverts. with this idea in mind comes the questions.... Filtration, i wanted to use live rock and sand, plus a HOB protien skimmer, is this enough? Lighting, apparently a sore topic amongst boards with very few conclusions, I believe i want to use T5 HO bulbs, in a 4 bulb arrangement, 2x 10K and 2 460nm actinic, i am trying to avoid MH, i think they are overkill. however this being said, i am looking at 3 different fixtures and was wondering peoples overall thoughts on them, the first being the cheaper Nova Extreme, the second being a Tek system, and the third being me sucking it up and getting an Outer orbit. Stocking: technically what defines a "few" fish in a tank my size? i would like to have a pair of clowns, fire fish, longnose hawkfish, and kaudern's cardinal x2, and chromis x2. however i feel like this has to be cut, opinions? Anemone: i woudl like to have a green bulb tip, how challenging is it to keep? well this is all i can think of for now, if i have more i'll be sure to ask, i know i'm not looking for a flawless production, i'm just trying to avoid the major disasters and extra expenses down the road..

12/29/2007, 12:39 PM	#3
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Best not to have an anemone in a coral tank: too much chance of ambulatory warfare. I've done it. I don't recommend it. Your clowns would go for one of the quieter toadstools or the like with no trouble. Your plans are generally good. I would suggest percula or pink skunk clowns: they stay smaller and are more peaceful. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

12/29/2007, 05:12 PM	#4
oddjob208 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lebanon, New Jersey Posts: 102	thanks for the heads up on the anemone, it will probably end up getting scratched off the list there. with the sump idea, i had though about putting my small 10 gal under there however the cabinet has very little space (its cramped with my canister filter and power strip) so i will have to see about that for skimmers, i was looking at a tunze or a bak pak, they seemed to be the only liked brands for small tanks. are there any suggestions for smaller in sump brands? __________________ Adam Current Tank Info: 40gal w/ blood cichlids, 29g start up reef

12/30/2007, 12:39 PM	#6
oddjob208 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lebanon, New Jersey Posts: 102	are there advantages/disadvantages for using LR from different areas? or is it strictly aesthetics? for a beginner is is better to use a DSB or just the 1in to cover the bottom of the tank? with live sand, buy enough for the entire tank? or but about half as much then get the rest as non living? __________________ Adam Current Tank Info: 40gal w/ blood cichlids, 29g start up reef

12/30/2007, 12:57 PM	#8
clevername Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Manchester, MO Posts: 1,125	DSB is easy and well worth it. The problem is it can get dirty quickly. Rock is rock, dead or alive, good or bad looking.....its all the same. Same goes for sand.... One way or another its going to be alive, go ahead and buy some cheap HD sand and save your money. Checkout my pictures for the sand. There have been many threads on here that have used this perfectly. __________________ In process: 210gal, VARIOS-8 return, Kessil Lights, 80 gal sump, mp60's, and REGAL 200EXT 8" RECIRCULATING skimmer

12/29/2007, 12:18 PM	#2
JUNI0R Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 272	Live rock, live sand and aprotein skimmer are the best filtration method IMO. Don't go cheap on the protein skimmer. I would suggest using a sump so you don't have to get a HOB skimmer but thats just my opinion. T5 HO should work for your tank but get ones with individual reflectors. Wait to get an anemone until your tank is mature (I've read 9-12 months) Good luck with your tank

12/29/2007, 05:22 PM	#5
warrenm107 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Posts: 62	A lot of people are going to disagree, but I use an Aqua C Remora Pro hang-on skimmer.

12/31/2007, 10:35 AM	#9
oddjob208 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lebanon, New Jersey Posts: 102	does LS need to be cured? if im going to cure the rock in my tank can i add the sand in at the same time? so the tank has rock sand and saltwater. then im just checking all my lvls __________________ Adam Current Tank Info: 40gal w/ blood cichlids, 29g start up reef