does this look familiar to anyone

dsgearhart · 11/28/2010, 05:05 PM

anyone have any idea what this is or how to cure it, i've dipped in formailn 3 for 3 days now and doesn't seem to be getting any better, the cloudy look on the eyes goes about half way back to the gills but is the worst on the eyes

shifty51008 · 11/28/2010, 06:52 PM

cloudy eye is usually due to water quality.

I noticed your tank runs on the low side, I would bring that up to 78-80 and check the rest of your parameters

dsgearhart · 11/28/2010, 08:30 PM

i'm assuming your talking 78-80 on the temp

shifty51008 · 11/28/2010, 09:17 PM

yes sorry.

what are your other parameters and how old is the tank?

dsgearhart · 11/28/2010, 10:06 PM

what do you mean, other parameters, and the tank is about 2mo for me, unfortunately when she set it up at my house she used like 95% of her water so not sure if there was something in it

shifty51008 · 11/28/2010, 10:52 PM

i mean what are the numbers for:

ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, salinity, ect.

dsgearhart · 11/28/2010, 11:27 PM

well my last test showed ammonias and nitrates were up so they told me to do a mass water change

shifty51008 · 11/29/2010, 01:25 AM

yeah if you have ammonia that is prob. the cause. when you get your tank to show 0 ammonia 0 nitrites and low nitrates and keep it that way that will cure your fish.

the prob. I see is that you have ammonia in the tank with fish. did you cycle the tank?

how long has the tank been set up?
tell us a what type of filtration you have? (how much LR, flow, ect.)

sorry just noticed you only have a MJ 600 in the tank, that is not alot of flow. how well is the surface of the water moving? I would deff. add a few more powerheads like korilia's or such for better gas exchange.

w16227 · 11/29/2010, 12:55 PM

Give the crew some more history here. From the sounds of it, you are new to salt. When posting - more information is better!

You said your tests had high nitrate and ammonia. This gives us clues - but not a lot.

What test kits did you use? did you perform any other tests? What is the salinity?

When was the last time you tested - and what were the levels then?

How much water did you change - and did you test again later?

What salt are you using, how are you testing for salinity? What is the water source?

She "used 95% of her water" - who is "she"? is she a professional tank caretaker, fish store employee, friend giving you a used tank???

These along with shifty's questions (tank equipment list, filtration) will provide a lot more insight to your current problem -and how the RC crew can help you long term as well.

dsgearhart · 11/29/2010, 06:03 PM

i done a fresh water only dip yesterday and a fresh water w/formalin 3 dip today and the eyes have cleared up quite a bit, in fact i had a decent amount of the white substance fall off in the bowl

dsgearhart · 11/29/2010, 08:28 PM

unfortunately these are the only filters i have for now, so with what i do have what should i do to maintain low ammonia and nitrates since their the only ones that have went up on me

LittlePuff · 11/29/2010, 09:37 PM

We need the rest of your information to help you.

dsgearhart · 11/29/2010, 11:44 PM

rest of what information

89Foxbody · 11/30/2010, 12:34 AM

Read posts 8 and 9. We need to know that kind of stuff before we can really make any sort of in-depth recommendations.

dsgearhart · 11/30/2010, 01:32 AM

the tank did cycle and it has been up fr about 2 months now, my filtration is listed below.top of the water is moving well enough to carry my pellets of food across the front and on around to the mid back of the tank. the guy at the pet store done a all in one test he said and the only things up were the nitrates and ammonia so at that time i done a 50% change and my salinity is .019, if i missed something let me know

dsgearhart · 11/30/2010, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgearhart

the tank did cycle and it has been up fr about 2 months now, my filtration is listed below.top of the water is moving well enough to carry my pellets of food across the front and on around to the mid back of the tank. the guy at the pet store done a all in one test he said and the only things up were the nitrates and ammonia so at that time i done a 50% change and my salinity is .019, if i missed something let me know

and before i get all the posts about needing different filtration i am working on getting something better this is what came with the tank

shifty51008 · 11/30/2010, 07:17 AM

you will wany to raise you salinity to at least 1.023 for fish only and with corals and inverts I suggest raising it to 1.025-1.026 using a refractometer.

I would remove both of those filters and add in 1-2lbs per gal. of LR instead. make sure to cycle the new rock before adding to the tank.

you can keep one of the filetrs just to run carbon ut I would remove the bio wheels as they become nitrate factories.

add a few more powerheads like the ones I suggested before.

a skimmer would also be a good choice.

and water changes using rodi water or even ro water would help. you can get that at walmart. they have a machine that you can fill water jugs if you don't wanna purchace a rodi filter right now.

those things should help alot on your filtration.

dsgearhart · 11/30/2010, 07:38 AM

what does the LR do, and i've always been told the bio-wheels are good cause they contain bacteria that the tank needs

shifty51008 · 11/30/2010, 08:20 AM

LR or live rock will basically be all the filtration you need, bacteria stays deep within the rock to convert ammonia to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate along with removing nitrate.

bio wheels do a good job at converting everything to nitrate but does noting to remove nitrate.

IMO LR is a much better choice than canister or hang on the back filters in a SW tank.

dsgearhart · 12/01/2010, 05:16 PM

how much LR would i need approx.

shifty51008 · 12/01/2010, 05:30 PM

around 75-110 lbs for a 55

Paul B · 12/01/2010, 05:51 PM

As for your original question, that fish has a bacterial infection easily cured with antibiotics. You can use something like "Melafix" but most aquarium antibiotics will work on that. It is very common especially in a new tank such as yours.
I just cured a case with the above medication. There are many antibiotics on the market and I would rather use something stronger but you need a prescription for most of them. Melafix will work in a couple of days if treated early enough.

dsgearhart · 12/01/2010, 06:57 PM

how bout formalin-3 as a dip, that's what i been using

Paul B · 12/02/2010, 05:48 AM

Antibiotics would work better as the formulin does not stay on the fish long and it is fairly toxic.
That would be better for paracites.

11/28/2010, 06:52 PM	#2
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	cloudy eye is usually due to water quality. I noticed your tank runs on the low side, I would bring that up to 78-80 and check the rest of your parameters __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/28/2010, 08:30 PM	#3
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	i'm assuming your talking 78-80 on the temp __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/28/2010, 09:17 PM	#4
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	yes sorry. what are your other parameters and how old is the tank? __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/28/2010, 10:06 PM	#5
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	what do you mean, other parameters, and the tank is about 2mo for me, unfortunately when she set it up at my house she used like 95% of her water so not sure if there was something in it __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/28/2010, 10:52 PM	#6
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	i mean what are the numbers for: ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, salinity, ect. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/28/2010, 11:27 PM	#7
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	well my last test showed ammonias and nitrates were up so they told me to do a mass water change __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/29/2010, 01:25 AM	#8
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	yeah if you have ammonia that is prob. the cause. when you get your tank to show 0 ammonia 0 nitrites and low nitrates and keep it that way that will cure your fish. the prob. I see is that you have ammonia in the tank with fish. did you cycle the tank? how long has the tank been set up? tell us a what type of filtration you have? (how much LR, flow, ect.) sorry just noticed you only have a MJ 600 in the tank, that is not alot of flow. how well is the surface of the water moving? I would deff. add a few more powerheads like korilia's or such for better gas exchange. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/29/2010, 12:55 PM	#9
w16227 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: chicago Burbs Posts: 479	Give the crew some more history here. From the sounds of it, you are new to salt. When posting - more information is better! You said your tests had high nitrate and ammonia. This gives us clues - but not a lot. What test kits did you use? did you perform any other tests? What is the salinity? When was the last time you tested - and what were the levels then? How much water did you change - and did you test again later? What salt are you using, how are you testing for salinity? What is the water source? She "used 95% of her water" - who is "she"? is she a professional tank caretaker, fish store employee, friend giving you a used tank??? These along with shifty's questions (tank equipment list, filtration) will provide a lot more insight to your current problem -and how the RC crew can help you long term as well. __________________ call me "w" - easier to remember Current Tank Info: 125g All Glass rr, 50g sump/fuge, RKE, T5 Retrofit Lights, Deltec Turbo Skimmer, PM Kalk Reactor

11/29/2010, 06:03 PM	#10
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	i done a fresh water only dip yesterday and a fresh water w/formalin 3 dip today and the eyes have cleared up quite a bit, in fact i had a decent amount of the white substance fall off in the bowl __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/29/2010, 08:28 PM	#11
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	unfortunately these are the only filters i have for now, so with what i do have what should i do to maintain low ammonia and nitrates since their the only ones that have went up on me __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/29/2010, 09:37 PM	#12
LittlePuff Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Peoria,IL Posts: 685	We need the rest of your information to help you. __________________ 90gal FOWLR (planning) 55gal FOWLR

11/29/2010, 11:44 PM	#13
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	rest of what information __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/30/2010, 12:34 AM	#14
89Foxbody Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 1,532	Read posts 8 and 9. We need to know that kind of stuff before we can really make any sort of in-depth recommendations. __________________ Red Sea Max 130D Mixed Reef: ReefKeeper2, Rapid-LED retrofit, MiniMaxx Reactor, Tunze 9001 Skimmer, 2x Jebao RW-4, 2x Maxi-Jet 600 returns, 2x Koralia Nano 425

11/30/2010, 01:32 AM	#15
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	the tank did cycle and it has been up fr about 2 months now, my filtration is listed below.top of the water is moving well enough to carry my pellets of food across the front and on around to the mid back of the tank. the guy at the pet store done a all in one test he said and the only things up were the nitrates and ammonia so at that time i done a 50% change and my salinity is .019, if i missed something let me know __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/30/2010, 07:17 AM	#17
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	you will wany to raise you salinity to at least 1.023 for fish only and with corals and inverts I suggest raising it to 1.025-1.026 using a refractometer. I would remove both of those filters and add in 1-2lbs per gal. of LR instead. make sure to cycle the new rock before adding to the tank. you can keep one of the filetrs just to run carbon ut I would remove the bio wheels as they become nitrate factories. add a few more powerheads like the ones I suggested before. a skimmer would also be a good choice. and water changes using rodi water or even ro water would help. you can get that at walmart. they have a machine that you can fill water jugs if you don't wanna purchace a rodi filter right now. those things should help alot on your filtration. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/30/2010, 07:38 AM	#18
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	what does the LR do, and i've always been told the bio-wheels are good cause they contain bacteria that the tank needs __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

11/30/2010, 08:20 AM	#19
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	LR or live rock will basically be all the filtration you need, bacteria stays deep within the rock to convert ammonia to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate along with removing nitrate. bio wheels do a good job at converting everything to nitrate but does noting to remove nitrate. IMO LR is a much better choice than canister or hang on the back filters in a SW tank. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/01/2010, 05:16 PM	#20
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	how much LR would i need approx. __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

12/01/2010, 05:30 PM	#21
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	around 75-110 lbs for a 55 __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/01/2010, 05:51 PM	#22
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 15,549	As for your original question, that fish has a bacterial infection easily cured with antibiotics. You can use something like "Melafix" but most aquarium antibiotics will work on that. It is very common especially in a new tank such as yours. I just cured a case with the above medication. There are many antibiotics on the market and I would rather use something stronger but you need a prescription for most of them. Melafix will work in a couple of days if treated early enough. __________________ I used to get shocked when I put my hand in my tank. Then the electric eel went dead. Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

12/01/2010, 06:57 PM	#23
dsgearhart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: indiana Posts: 24	how bout formalin-3 as a dip, that's what i been using __________________ SALINITY: .022 Current Tank Info: 55gal-approx. 16 button polyps-1 frog spawn(2 heads)-1 kryptonite candycane-1 yellow tang-1 sand sifting star-2 cleaner shrimp-2 yellow tail damsel- 3 clown- 4 hermit crabs-2 turbo snails tank temps out between 78 and 80

12/02/2010, 05:48 AM	#24
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 15,549	Antibiotics would work better as the formulin does not stay on the fish long and it is fairly toxic. That would be better for paracites. __________________ I used to get shocked when I put my hand in my tank. Then the electric eel went dead. Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

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