Tang help

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 08:22 AM

hello all,
so a friends 220 just finished cycling, and I want to give him my blue and yellow tang.

he also wants a purple tang, NAso tang, and in near future a anchilles tang.

from my understanding, yellow and purple will give each other hard time most likely, so I am assuming they should be added at same time ?

what is the best way to introduce all the fish ? yellow and purple and blue now ? and then naso in a couple of weeks and then the anchilles ?

thanks.

Toddrtrex · 04/12/2011, 08:30 AM

Are you taking about an Naso elegans/lituratus? "Naso" is the genus. Personally, I wouldn't put one in a 220, but that is me.

I would be worried about putting an Achilles in such a new tank -- they have a horrible track record. I would put the yellow and purple in after the Achilles, so that the Achilles can get settled in without any fighting from other tangs.

acrohead500ppm · 04/12/2011, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toddrtrex

are you taking about an naso elegans/lituratus? "naso" is the genus. Personally, i wouldn't put one in a 220, but that is me.

I would be worried about putting an achilles in such a new tank -- they have a horrible track record. I would put the yellow and purple in after the achilles, so that the achilles can get settled in without any fighting from other tangs.

+1

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

Are you taking about an Naso elegans/lituratus? "Naso" is the genus. Personally, I wouldn't put one in a 220, but that is me.

I would be worried about putting an Achilles in such a new tank -- they have a horrible track record. I would put the yellow and purple in after the Achilles, so that the Achilles can get settled in without any fighting from other tangs.

anchilles will come after 7 months, when the tank is in a better biological stage. so I can feed it more and ....

my question is mainly with regards to yellow and purple ones. worried if I add the yellow and blue tang now, I wouldnt be able to add a purple one in 3 weeks.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 08:38 AM

ok lets forget about anchilles.

lets forget about tank size

purple tang and yellow tang, do they need to go in at same time ?

thanks,

TampaReefer79 · 04/12/2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Allmost

ok lets forget about anchilles.

lets forget about tank size

purple tang and yellow tang, do they need to go in at same time ?

thanks,

You can't 'forget' about the first 2 aspects, they need to be in the equation to acurately answer your question.

IE: In a 5,000 gallon tank, no, they wouldn't need to go in at the same time.

As Todd said, I wouldn't put a naso in a 220 gallon tank. I wouldn't even put one in my 500 gallon tank. They get HUGE. And when that happens, what will he do then? I also agree about the achilles going in much much later when the tank is stable. The only thing I might do different is put the yellow/purple in before the achilles. If the fish are the same size, the newly introduced achilles will be ok with holding its own against a yellow...but I see the point about letting it aclimate. (which is why qt is so important...get it eating and established to aquarium life in qt). All that said, in a 220, a purple and a yellow together might not work out anyhow.

A yellow tang, purple tang, naso tang, achilles tang, and a blue tang are to much for such a small tank.

Toddrtrex · 04/12/2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Allmost

ok lets forget about anchilles.

lets forget about tank size

purple tang and yellow tang, do they need to go in at same time ?

thanks,

Then lets forget that I posted in this thread in the first place. You can't pretend that tank size and other tank members don't matter.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

Then lets forget that I posted in this thread in the first place. You can't pretend that tank size and other tank members don't matter.

ok

I will forget you posted

no problem.

thanks for your helpful comments.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaReefer79

You can't 'forget' about the first 2 aspects, they need to be in the equation to acurately answer your question.

IE: In a 5,000 gallon tank, no, they wouldn't need to go in at the same time.

As Todd said, I wouldn't put a naso in a 220 gallon tank. I wouldn't even put one in my 500 gallon tank. They get HUGE. And when that happens, what will he do then? I also agree about the achilles going in much much later when the tank is stable. The only thing I might do different is put the yellow/purple in before the achilles. If the fish are the same size, the newly introduced achilles will be ok with holding its own against a yellow...but I see the point about letting it aclimate. (which is why qt is so important...get it eating and established to aquarium life in qt). All that said, in a 220, a purple and a yellow together might not work out anyhow.

A yellow tang, purple tang, naso tang, achilles tang, and a blue tang are to much for such a small tank.

thanks, yea seems like that the best option ... I will put the yellow and purple and blue in first this week, and the anchilles in about 7-8 months..

he has a 300 Gallon QT (only QT LOL ) inthe basement, no Issues there, and all the fish are already in QT lol

there is also a 700 round tank in the basement, which is FOWLR, dedicated for fish that get too big

we really shouldnt expect everyone who asks questions to be a new reefer with no money, honestly ! this guy has over 2K gallons of water in his basement alone ! so its always good to try to be helpful

not EVERYone who posts is irresponsible ! I hope you agree to that !

with regards to NAso, I personally do not like them that much :P haha, so gonna try to convince him to send it directly to FOWLR tank for cleaning up algae ISsues there.

thanks again guys, lets keep our View open, and help others in the way we can, instead of "TRYING" to put them down and fail on the way

john rochon · 04/12/2011, 10:06 AM

In the 220g I would add the yellow and purple together, also that would be it for tangs for me.

TampaReefer79 · 04/12/2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Allmost

thanks, yea seems like that the best option ... I will put the yellow and purple and blue in first this week, and the anchilles in about 7-8 months..

he has a 300 Gallon QT (only QT LOL ) inthe basement, no Issues there, and all the fish are already in QT lol

there is also a 700 round tank in the basement, which is FOWLR, dedicated for fish that get too big

we really shouldnt expect everyone who asks questions to be a new reefer with no money, honestly ! this guy has over 2K gallons of water in his basement alone ! so its always good to try to be helpful not EVERYone who posts is irresponsible ! I hope you agree to that !

with regards to NAso, I personally do not like them that much :P haha, so gonna try to convince him to send it directly to FOWLR tank for cleaning up algae ISsues there.

thanks again guys, lets keep our View open, and help others in the way we can, instead of "TRYING" to put them down and fail on the way

Ok, I guess I forgot to mention this in my original post, but it's a bad idea to add 3 tangs to a tank that is a week old. It's a bad idea to add ONE tang to a one week old tank.

I don't care how much $$ someone has. The amount of knowledge one has can be sometimes ascertained by the questions asked themselves.

If the guy has 2,000 gallons of water in the basement (divided up amongst different tanks of course), then why is he trying to shoehorn so many tangs in a 200 gallon tank? And the 700 is even going to be too small for a naso. JMO.

And I don't know who you're referring to, but no one tried to 'put anyone down and failed on the way'. We all posted on the details given. You reluctantly forgot to add the other details of 'thousands of gallons in the basement'. Either way, the OP was about a 200 gallon tank and all of the advice was sound.

Palting · 04/12/2011, 10:47 AM

Bad boy with 4 tangs, including a blue and a naso in a 150 gal here

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Purple and yellow should go in together. The blue looks different enough that the purple won't mind. I added the blue last among my tangs. Naso can go in anytime. He is the most peaceful among my tangs, and large enough no one messes with him.

My daughter just came back from a HS trip to Disneyworld and that fish place. The tangs, including the Naso's there were bigger than her head!!

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaReefer79

Ok, I guess I forgot to mention this in my original post, but it's a bad idea to add 3 tangs to a tank that is a week old. It's a bad idea to add ONE tang to a one week old tank.

I will have to stop you here ! please read my original post again. the tank is fully cycled and has been set up for 9 weeks now. (has been cycling for 9 weeks, not 1 week !!! not sure where you got that from, perhaps another try to put me down which failed at again

)

Please read more carefully. thanks.

about why he wants to add these tangs to a 200 Gallon tank ?
this is going to be a SPS tank, and the fish list I posted above is the guys "dream fish list"

thank you.

"I don't care how much $$ someone has. The amount of knowledge one has can be sometimes ascertained by the questions asked themselves."

sorry, I wanted others opinions on purple and yellow tang being added together at the same time

I do not see any problem with asking others for their openion and experience, it may teach me more after 20 years of reefing

if you think asking question makes you look bad, you need to ....I like sharing info, knowledge and experience.

anyways, I got my answer, so please, lets not continue

700 gallon ROUND tank is just fine for a Naso tang, IMHO. ... you are welcome to have your own opinion of course

thanks.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Palting

Bad boy with 4 tangs, including a blue and a naso in a 150 gal here

.

Purple and yellow should go in together. The blue looks different enough that the purple won't mind. I added the blue last among my tangs. Naso can go in anytime. He is the most peaceful among my tangs, and large enough no one messes with him.

My daughter just came back from a HS trip to Disneyworld and that fish place. The tangs, including the Naso's there were bigger than her head!!

nice, thanks, that's what I figured, since purple and yellow look the same, they could be the only ones fighting each other.

my blue tang and my yellow tang have been together for 3 years now, they are best friends

lol

TampaReefer79 · 04/12/2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allmost

hello all,
so a friends 220 just finished cycling, and I want to give him my blue and yellow tang.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allmost

thanks, yea seems like that the best option ... I will put the yellow and purple and blue in first this week, and the anchilles in about 7-8 months..

Ok, so it JUST finished cycling. Your 20 years of reefing should be telling you that adding 3 tangs to a tank that JUST finished cycling and is not established/stable yet, is a bad idea.

You're taking a tank with little biological filtration present and adding 3 waste machines all at once. Hmmm. Might want to add them a little bit more slowly and let the bacteria catch up.

TampaReefer79 · 04/12/2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Allmost

I will have to stop you here ! please read my original post again. the tank is fully cycled and has been set up for 9 weeks now. (has been cycling for 9 weeks, not 1 week !!! not sure where you got that from, perhaps another try to put me down which failed at again

)

Please read more carefully. thanks.

about why he wants to add these tangs to a 200 Gallon tank ?
this is going to be a SPS tank, and the fish list I posted above is the guys "dream fish list"

thank you.

"I don't care how much $$ someone has. The amount of knowledge one has can be sometimes ascertained by the questions asked themselves."

sorry, I wanted others opinions on purple and yellow tang being added together at the same time

I do not see any problem with asking others for their openion and experience, it may teach me more after 20 years of reefing

if you think asking question makes you look bad, you need to ....I like sharing info, knowledge and experience.

anyways, I got my answer, so please, lets not continue

700 gallon ROUND tank is just fine for a Naso tang, IMHO. ... you are welcome to have your own opinion of course

thanks.

Why do people think that because they have a 'dream fish list' that they HAVE to get them, even if they don't fit into the tank they have planned? I see it all the time and it irks me. "A vlamingii tang won't fit long term in my 125? Well, it's my dream fish so I'm getting it anyway..." Just sayin'.

And seriously, you asked a question without giving all of the details and were given good advice. I don't understand the attitude problem that you have. (in bold above) Unless of course this is to TRY to start a fight... ??

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 11:08 AM

9 weeks (which you missed again) is more than enough initial cycle, 220 Gallon, 3 small tangs, seems like fine bioload to me .... PS. it is a zeovit system, please dont ask me about that, read on it if you like ...

we have to agree to disagree Tampa, please, I beg you to not start a fight here my friend. you are welcome to your own opinion, and I can see you are trying hard to put me down, lets say you won and leave this ? ok ?

thanks

cheers.

Toddrtrex · 04/12/2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaReefer79

.....

And seriously, you asked a question without giving all of the details and were given good advice. I don't understand the attitude problem that you have. (in bold above) Unless of course this is to TRY to start a fight... ??

Honestly, I wouldn't waste any more effort on this -- after doing some post/thread searching, this seems to be the M.O.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaReefer79

Why do people think that because they have a 'dream fish list' that they HAVE to get them, even if they don't fit into the tank they have planned? I see it all the time and it irks me. "A vlamingii tang won't fit long term in my 125? Well, it's my dream fish so I'm getting it anyway..." Just sayin'.

And seriously, you asked a question without giving all of the details and were given good advice. I don't understand the attitude problem that you have. (in bold above) Unless of course this is to TRY to start a fight... ??

Tampa, you are right, and I am wrong,

I appologize for not providing all info

please, lets calm down my friend

Toddrtrex · 04/12/2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Allmost

9 weeks (which you missed again) is more than enough initial cycle, 220 Gallon, 3 small tangs, seems like fine bioload to me .... PS. it is a zeovit system, please dont ask me about that, read on it if you like ...

we have to agree to disagree Tampa, please, I beg you to not start a fight here my friend. you are welcome to your own opinion, and I can see you are trying hard to put me down, lets say you won and leave this ? ok ?

thanks

cheers.

No one in this thread is trying to put you down, not sure why you think that. Might want to check the attitude, just a suggestion.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

Honestly, I wouldn't waste any more effort on this -- after doing some post/thread searching, this seems to be the M.O.

thanks,

I had a question and I got my answer

dont see what he is trying to proove lol

TampaReefer79 · 04/12/2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

Honestly, I wouldn't waste any more effort on this -- after doing some post/thread searching, this seems to be the M.O.

Okie Dokie Todd.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

No one in this thread is trying to put you down, not sure why you think that. Might want to check the attitude, just a suggestion.

my bad Tod

I didnt think i had an attitude

in my opinion, based on my experience, 9 weeks of Zeovit cycle, on a 220 Gallon tank is enough for adding 3 small tangs.

sorry if I did. not the intention.

Allmost · 04/12/2011, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaReefer79

Why do people think that because they have a 'dream fish list' that they HAVE to get them, even if they don't fit into the tank they have planned? I see it all the time and it irks me. "A vlamingii tang won't fit long term in my 125? Well, it's my dream fish so I'm getting it anyway..." Just sayin'.

this, I agree with 100%

but the fish list I provided are not like this my friend

blue tang in a 220G is just fine in my opinion (of course i am talking about juv. a FULLY GROWN might not be

)

geaux xman · 04/12/2011, 11:39 AM

300g QT and 700 round FOWLR tank in the basement sounds pretty impressive.

got pics?

04/12/2011, 08:22 AM	#1
Allmost Moved On Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: canada, toronto Posts: 8,161	Tang help hello all, so a friends 220 just finished cycling, and I want to give him my blue and yellow tang. he also wants a purple tang, NAso tang, and in near future a anchilles tang. from my understanding, yellow and purple will give each other hard time most likely, so I am assuming they should be added at same time ? what is the best way to introduce all the fish ? yellow and purple and blue now ? and then naso in a couple of weeks and then the anchilles ? thanks.

04/12/2011, 08:30 AM	#2
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	Are you taking about an Naso elegans/lituratus? "Naso" is the genus. Personally, I wouldn't put one in a 220, but that is me. I would be worried about putting an Achilles in such a new tank -- they have a horrible track record. I would put the yellow and purple in after the Achilles, so that the Achilles can get settled in without any fighting from other tangs. __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

04/12/2011, 10:47 AM	#12
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Bad boy with 4 tangs, including a blue and a naso in a 150 gal here . Purple and yellow should go in together. The blue looks different enough that the purple won't mind. I added the blue last among my tangs. Naso can go in anytime. He is the most peaceful among my tangs, and large enough no one messes with him. My daughter just came back from a HS trip to Disneyworld and that fish place. The tangs, including the Naso's there were bigger than her head!! __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

04/12/2011, 11:39 AM	#25
geaux xman Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 3,279	300g QT and 700 round FOWLR tank in the basement sounds pretty impressive. got pics? __________________ - Miracles 180g 60x30x23" rimless FOWLR - Youtube video: Miracles 180g March 2013

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04/12/2011, 08:38 AM	#5
Allmost Moved On Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: canada, toronto Posts: 8,161	ok lets forget about anchilles. lets forget about tank size purple tang and yellow tang, do they need to go in at same time ? thanks,

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04/12/2011, 11:08 AM	#17
Allmost Moved On Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: canada, toronto Posts: 8,161	9 weeks (which you missed again) is more than enough initial cycle, 220 Gallon, 3 small tangs, seems like fine bioload to me .... PS. it is a zeovit system, please dont ask me about that, read on it if you like ... we have to agree to disagree Tampa, please, I beg you to not start a fight here my friend. you are welcome to your own opinion, and I can see you are trying hard to put me down, lets say you won and leave this ? ok ? thanks cheers.