I need immediate Help Please

krzyphsygy · 07/03/2012, 11:28 PM

I am filling my new tank 125 72x18x22 and the water is only draining into one overflow instead of both??

What does this mean, Why is it not draining into both over flows only 1 drains into the sump.

softieatheart · 07/03/2012, 11:38 PM

Are you sure tank is level?

Palting · 07/03/2012, 11:38 PM

He has twin overflows, one at each end of the rectangular tank, and only one is draining.

Is the tank level? Are the Durso drain tubes both at the same level? Does water flow into both the overflow box, but not down the drains?

krzyphsygy · 07/03/2012, 11:57 PM

Ok, the tank has twin overflows and while filling it, water would not drain on the right overflow. The tank is perfectly plum front to back.

So, what i did was filled the right overflow with water and filled the sump and turned on the pump. Now the water is draining on the right over flow but very very slow. Most of the water is draining from the left overflow.

Also the water in the right over flow is rising and falling constantly. The pump I am using is a sicci 5.0 rated at 1321 GPH.

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Palting

He has twin overflows, one at each end of the rectangular tank, and only one is draining.

Is the tank level? Are the Durso drain tubes both at the same level? Does water flow into both the overflow box, but not down the drains?

The water was not flowing into the right overflow at all. Its almost like the overflows are not leveled. Its an AGA 125.

The durso's are pretty much level with each other from I can tell.

T Diddy · 07/04/2012, 12:07 AM

so the tank is level, but one failed to fill?

Sinclair81 · 07/04/2012, 12:09 AM

can you post a picture of your tank?

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by T Diddy

so the tank is level, but one failed to fill?

Yes one failed to fill!

T Diddy · 07/04/2012, 12:21 AM

Is it too late to get an acurate measurement to check for a difference between the two? Maybe one was installed with/without teeth? Do you have significant flow through the working overflow (maybe the pump or return line is clogged)?

If it is level on all sides, and you believe that the water is flowing as it should, one must be taller than the other. My only suggestion is to keep the tall one extremely clean...let stuff grow on the short one

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinclair81

can you post a picture of your tank?

I cant right now, but in the morning I can. No access yet. I turned the return pump off for now and placed a powerhead in there for circulation till the morning.

We have been at this all day rinsing sand, rock work, and filling and I am sooo tired.

The drains sound like a large broken dishwasher.

Palting · 07/04/2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by krzyphsygy

Ok, the tank has twin overflows and while filling it, water would not drain on the right overflow. The tank is perfectly plum front to back.
So, what i did was filled the right overflow with water and filled the sump and turned on the pump. Now the water is draining on the right over flow but very very slow. Most of the water is draining from the left overflow.

Also the water in the right over flow is rising and falling constantly. The pump I am using is a sicci 5.0 rated at 1321 GPH.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzyphsygy

The water was not flowing into the right overflow at all. Its almost like the overflows are not leveled. Its an AGA 125.

The durso's are pretty much level with each other from I can tell.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzyphsygy

Yes one failed to fill!

I am putting all these responses together to try and picture the situation.

What we all mean by level is level left to right, not just front to back.

If the water does not flow into the overflow at all on the right, do you mean that the water level does not go over the teeth or slats at the top of the overflow? If so, that means your tank is definitely NOT level. The right side is higher than the left.

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by T Diddy

Is it too late to get an acurate measurement to check for a difference between the two? Maybe one was installed with/without teeth? Do you have significant flow through the working overflow (maybe the pump or return line is clogged)?

If it is level on all sides, and you believe that the water is flowing as it should, one must be taller than the other. My only suggestion is to keep the tall one extremely clean...let stuff grow on the short one

How do I keep the water levels from fluctuating in the taller overflow??

What if I put a ball valve on the working overflow to slow down the flow??

What do you mean by keep it clean?

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palting

I am putting all these responses together to try and picture the situation.

What we all mean by level is level left to right, not just front to back.

If the water does not flow into the overflow at all on the right, do you mean that the water level does not go over the teeth or slats at the top of the overflow? If so, that means your tank is definitely NOT level. The right side is higher than the left.

The tank s totally level on all sides with a 37 inch level. Level front to back side to side and every 37 inches in between.

Yes the water does not flow over the teeth on the right drain.

T Diddy · 07/04/2012, 12:31 AM

are these overflows hang on back? or is the tank "reef ready" with built-ins?

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T Diddy

are these overflows hang on back? or is the tank "reef ready" with built-ins?

Reef Ready AGA

T Diddy · 07/04/2012, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzyphsygy

How do I keep the water levels from fluctuating in the taller overflow??

What if I put a ball valve on the working overflow to slow down the flow??

What do you mean by keep it clean?

1.Stick a tape measure down each overflow just for giggles.
2.Never restrict a drain
3.Allow algae to grow on the short one...if they are truly different heights, that is one way to equalize, though it will take a little time.

Donkeykong · 07/04/2012, 12:40 AM

can you measure the hieght of both overflows? wondering if the overflows are different hieghts. Also about the water level rising and dropping, how is the drain setup? is it just the hole at the bottom of the tank and then plumbing underneath the tank to the sump or do you have any type of durso stand pipe in the return section?

Palting · 07/04/2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by krzyphsygy

The tank s totally level on all sides with a 37 inch level. Level front to back side to side and every 37 inches in between.

Yes the water does not flow over the teeth on the right drain.

I have a 110 gallon AGA, and a 150 gallon Marineland, both reef ready with built in overflows. If the tank is level, and the water does not flow over the teeth of the overflow on the right, then the overflows are not level. The right side overflow box has to be higher.

If the tank is new, you need to have the store replace it. It wasn't built right. Unusual case, but that's the only explanation I can think of.

krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 12:53 AM

Thank you everyone for trying to help! I am very appreciative of my friends on RC.

I will post pics in the am, I am so beat. Need sleep. Thanks, PICS in the morning.

Sinclair81 · 07/04/2012, 12:58 AM

I am curious if the left overflow has a small leak in it, allowing more water in there?

Cloudburst2000 · 07/04/2012, 08:41 AM

My guess also that if the tank is level itself that the teeth for the overflows are not exactly spot on with each other. The one that is draining must be a bit lower then the other. I would stick a tape measure down there and measure up from the bottom of the tank to the bottom of the start of the teeth for the overflow. If they don't match on each side, that is the problem. If they DO match, then I would say to recheck the leveling on the tank/stand/etc.

00Warpig00 · 07/04/2012, 09:29 AM

I cannot remember the manufacturer but I could swear I have seen reef ready tanks with adjustable height overflow teeth. If overflows are of this type maybe they need adjustment.

Nick

SPotter · 07/04/2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 00Warpig00

I cannot remember the manufacturer but I could swear I have seen reef ready tanks with adjustable height overflow teeth. If overflows are of this type maybe they need adjustment.

Nick

Deep blue tanks have this feature

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krzyphsygy · 07/04/2012, 09:42 AM

Alright, will this work if I put A ball valve on the overflow drain pipe that works and close it slightly to slow it down, then in turn the water level will raise in the tank and cause the non working overflow to drain better?

Also how do I get the water to stop fluctuating in the overflow box??

msn711 · 07/04/2012, 10:13 AM

To get the water to stop fluctuating in the overflow box, check the standpipe/drainpipe in the working overflow - there should be a cap with a small hole in the top to allow air to escape. That prevents that gurgling/burping noise and fluctuation. Make sure that cap isn't covered or obstructed in anyway.

Not sure why one drain would be working and not the other though. Solving the water fluctuation problem may solve this problem as well though.

07/03/2012, 11:28 PM	#1
krzyphsygy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,148	I need immediate Help Please I am filling my new tank 125 72x18x22 and the water is only draining into one overflow instead of both?? What does this mean, Why is it not draining into both over flows only 1 drains into the sump.

07/03/2012, 11:38 PM	#2
softieatheart Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: North West Illinois Posts: 188	Are you sure tank is level? __________________ There are so many things standing in my way this morning, I can hardly begin. Yet I have heard there are rumors of water. Maybe that is enough. ~ L.L. Barkat

07/03/2012, 11:38 PM	#3
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	He has twin overflows, one at each end of the rectangular tank, and only one is draining. Is the tank level? Are the Durso drain tubes both at the same level? Does water flow into both the overflow box, but not down the drains? __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

07/04/2012, 12:07 AM	#6
T Diddy Slayer of Mice Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Augusta, Ga Posts: 1,338	so the tank is level, but one failed to fill? __________________ America's best are not in America. Current Tank Info: 140 Gallon DSA in-wall, foam/rock wall, DIY LED, 40g sump, Precision Marine Skimmer, 100 gallon refugium, NO3, PO4,NH3/4 undetectable, Mg, Ca, KH...eeehhhhhh?

07/04/2012, 12:21 AM	#9
T Diddy Slayer of Mice Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Augusta, Ga Posts: 1,338	Is it too late to get an acurate measurement to check for a difference between the two? Maybe one was installed with/without teeth? Do you have significant flow through the working overflow (maybe the pump or return line is clogged)? If it is level on all sides, and you believe that the water is flowing as it should, one must be taller than the other. My only suggestion is to keep the tall one extremely clean...let stuff grow on the short one __________________ America's best are not in America. Current Tank Info: 140 Gallon DSA in-wall, foam/rock wall, DIY LED, 40g sump, Precision Marine Skimmer, 100 gallon refugium, NO3, PO4,NH3/4 undetectable, Mg, Ca, KH...eeehhhhhh?

07/03/2012, 11:57 PM	#4
krzyphsygy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,148	Ok, the tank has twin overflows and while filling it, water would not drain on the right overflow. The tank is perfectly plum front to back. So, what i did was filled the right overflow with water and filled the sump and turned on the pump. Now the water is draining on the right over flow but very very slow. Most of the water is draining from the left overflow. Also the water in the right over flow is rising and falling constantly. The pump I am using is a sicci 5.0 rated at 1321 GPH.

07/04/2012, 12:09 AM	#7
Sinclair81 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 264	can you post a picture of your tank?

07/04/2012, 12:31 AM	#14
T Diddy Slayer of Mice Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Augusta, Ga Posts: 1,338	are these overflows hang on back? or is the tank "reef ready" with built-ins? __________________ America's best are not in America. Current Tank Info: 140 Gallon DSA in-wall, foam/rock wall, DIY LED, 40g sump, Precision Marine Skimmer, 100 gallon refugium, NO3, PO4,NH3/4 undetectable, Mg, Ca, KH...eeehhhhhh?

07/04/2012, 12:40 AM	#17
Donkeykong Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grover Beach CA Posts: 1,847	can you measure the hieght of both overflows? wondering if the overflows are different hieghts. Also about the water level rising and dropping, how is the drain setup? is it just the hole at the bottom of the tank and then plumbing underneath the tank to the sump or do you have any type of durso stand pipe in the return section?

07/04/2012, 12:53 AM	#19
krzyphsygy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,148	Thank you everyone for trying to help! I am very appreciative of my friends on RC. I will post pics in the am, I am so beat. Need sleep. Thanks, PICS in the morning.

07/04/2012, 12:58 AM	#20
Sinclair81 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 264	I am curious if the left overflow has a small leak in it, allowing more water in there?

07/04/2012, 08:41 AM	#21
Cloudburst2000 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 1,485	My guess also that if the tank is level itself that the teeth for the overflows are not exactly spot on with each other. The one that is draining must be a bit lower then the other. I would stick a tape measure down there and measure up from the bottom of the tank to the bottom of the start of the teeth for the overflow. If they don't match on each side, that is the problem. If they DO match, then I would say to recheck the leveling on the tank/stand/etc.

07/04/2012, 09:29 AM	#22
00Warpig00 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Schaumburg, IL. Posts: 621	I cannot remember the manufacturer but I could swear I have seen reef ready tanks with adjustable height overflow teeth. If overflows are of this type maybe they need adjustment. Nick __________________ 180G - 5 Yellow Tail Blue Damsels, Two Lined Sleeper Goby, Royal Gramma, Flame Angel pair, Yellow Stripe Maroon Clown, Pearlscale Butterfly, Australian Harlequin Tuskfish, Magnificent Foxface, Yellow Current Tank Info: 180G FOWLR Established 10/2010

07/04/2012, 09:42 AM	#24
krzyphsygy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,148	Alright, will this work if I put A ball valve on the overflow drain pipe that works and close it slightly to slow it down, then in turn the water level will raise in the tank and cause the non working overflow to drain better? Also how do I get the water to stop fluctuating in the overflow box??

07/04/2012, 10:13 AM	#25
msn711 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reynoldsburg, OH Posts: 974	To get the water to stop fluctuating in the overflow box, check the standpipe/drainpipe in the working overflow - there should be a cap with a small hole in the top to allow air to escape. That prevents that gurgling/burping noise and fluctuation. Make sure that cap isn't covered or obstructed in anyway. Not sure why one drain would be working and not the other though. Solving the water fluctuation problem may solve this problem as well though. __________________ Shay Current Tank Info: 120 Deep Blue Pro