Ich problem

MaineReef22 · 01/31/2015, 05:59 PM

So I introduced a yellow tang with ich to my tank and now all my other fish have it. I'm contemplating setting up my 10 gallon as a quarantine but I can't put 2 clownfish a yellow tang and a foxface in it so how do I treat them all? Can I treat them one or two at a time in it?

gone fishin · 01/31/2015, 06:35 PM

They all need to be removed together from the DT to be treated, they can be treated in separate tanks. If you need help with cures there is a sticky at the top of the forum.

myram · 01/31/2015, 08:49 PM

If it's for treatment, a 10 gal will do for now. If you do nothing at all, they will probably die. So get them into the 10gal for treatment, and get a bigger tank like a 20 long for long term treatment. Keep your display empty of fish for 6-8-10 weeks to kill off the ich.

MaineReef22 · 01/31/2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by myram

If it's for treatment, a 10 gal will do for now. If you do nothing at all, they will probably die. So get them into the 10gal for treatment, and get a bigger tank like a 20 long for long term treatment. Keep your display empty of fish for 6-8-10 weeks to kill off the ich.

So even though the tang and foxface are larger it won't stress them out too bad to be in the 10 gallon?

myram · 02/01/2015, 06:02 AM

If it's the best you can do in a pinch, it's better then doing nothing at all.

julie180 · 02/01/2015, 08:42 AM

Having just gone through the tank to tank transfer method, I would suggest you look into it. That many fish in a 10 gallon tank its going to be almost impossible to keep the ammonia from building up and I don't think you can use Prime with copper based medicine.

Instant ocean Bio-Spire instant cycle seems to work. I put some in my temp tank what was showing ammonia and within a couple of days, its down to 0.

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by julie180

Having just gone through the tank to tank transfer method, I would suggest you look into it. That many fish in a 10 gallon tank its going to be almost impossible to keep the ammonia from building up and I don't think you can use Prime with copper based medicine.

Instant ocean Bio-Spire instant cycle seems to work. I put some in my temp tank what was showing ammonia and within a couple of days, its down to 0.

Even with a gallon or two water change a week??

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 10:55 AM

Also I picked up some API liquid super ick cure would this stuff be worth trying in the quarantine tank?

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 10:59 AM

10 gal will be way to small if ur fish are fairly large. I know a large tank can be expensive, but how about a large 30 gal plastic storage tote? They're like $10. If you do go that route, get two if the sides aren't very ridged. Then put one inside the other. Otherwise sides might bow from the water pressure and not hold up over time.

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineReef22

Also I picked up some API liquid super ick cure would this stuff be worth trying in the quarantine tank?

I would not use this stuff!! Active ingredient is "malachite green". This stuff can be pretty rough on ur fish, especially the tangs. If u must, go with 1/2 the recommended dose, but ur taking a bigger risk than necessary.

Copper, hyposailinty, and tank transfer method are the recommended treatments for ick with greatest chance of success. Google these, you will find step by step instructions.

ridetheducati · 02/01/2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineReef22

Also I picked up some API liquid super ick cure would this stuff be worth trying in the quarantine tank?

Read the sticky.

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineReef22

Even with a gallon or two water change a week??

In a 10gal you'll probably be doing a 50% water change every other day to stay on top of the water quality..... Maybe more depending how big the fish are and how much you feed. An empty tank will have no biological filtration at all, so ammonia will spike very quickly. 50% water changes are stressful on the fish, unless you're very careful and match the parameters of the makeup water very closely to that of the water the fish are in. It's a lot of work. Check Craig list, lotsa cheap large tanks on there. Or get a plastic tote/tub/trashcan. I'd say at least 30 gal. The bigger the better

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 11:52 AM

I've got a small hob filter on it and running carbon small power head and an air stone

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 11:56 AM

The yellow tang is about 3-4 inches and the foxface is probably 5 inches

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineReef22

I've got a small hob filter on it and running carbon small power head and an air stone

I hear you, but depending on the size of the tang and foxface it may not be enough, they are very messy and heavy eaters. For comparison, I had 2 tangs (3-4") and 2 clowns (2") in a 55 gallon about 3/4 full and still needed to do 30% water changes every 2-3 days. I was running carbon as well. Get a seachem ammonia alert badge at the very least. You can find them at most fish stores.

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 12:39 PM

What is the quickest way between hypo and the super ick cure I don't like the idea of jumping em from one tank to the next Im thinking of going with hypo if that's the quickest and safest way to do it

gone fishin · 02/01/2015, 12:42 PM

Quick does not really matter. If you do not want to treat them again then you should leave your DT fishless for 72 days. This will eliminate the ich from the DT. TTM is the quickest treatment for ick.

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 12:51 PM

If there healthy acting and eating well still should I just wait it out and do more frequent water changes or will they still eventually die from it?

gone fishin · 02/01/2015, 12:54 PM

Eventually the ich will get to them or a secondary infection will. How soon no one can guess. Just my 2 cents.

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gone fishin

Eventually the ich will get to them or a secondary infection will. How soon no one can guess. Just my 2 cents.

So would another 10 gallon to swap between be ok for the TTM or should I just use a big tote also are filters necessary?

gone fishin · 02/01/2015, 01:10 PM

I have 2 10g I use.

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 01:17 PM

Tank or tote, either will work. Tote will be bigger and cheaper, but easier to observe fish in tank to check them over. Filter is not 100% necessary, but some sort of circulation like a power head is. You don't need 2, just wash it really well when you move from one tank to the other to reduce chances of reintroducing the ich.

MaineReef22 · 02/01/2015, 02:24 PM

How many times should I move em and how often?

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 02:51 PM

Start by reading through this:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1996525
It should answer most of ur questions.

jon99 · 02/01/2015, 02:54 PM

Skimming through that thread looks like every 3 days,total of 4 times. I've never used this method personally.

01/31/2015, 05:59 PM	#1
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	Ich problem So I introduced a yellow tang with ich to my tank and now all my other fish have it. I'm contemplating setting up my 10 gallon as a quarantine but I can't put 2 clownfish a yellow tang and a foxface in it so how do I treat them all? Can I treat them one or two at a time in it? __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

01/31/2015, 06:35 PM	#2
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	They all need to be removed together from the DT to be treated, they can be treated in separate tanks. If you need help with cures there is a sticky at the top of the forum. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/01/2015, 10:55 AM	#8
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	Also I picked up some API liquid super ick cure would this stuff be worth trying in the quarantine tank? __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

02/01/2015, 11:52 AM	#13
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	I've got a small hob filter on it and running carbon small power head and an air stone __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

02/01/2015, 11:56 AM	#14
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	The yellow tang is about 3-4 inches and the foxface is probably 5 inches __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

01/31/2015, 08:49 PM	#3
myram #347, 19 years Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Biddeford, ME Posts: 1,714	If it's for treatment, a 10 gal will do for now. If you do nothing at all, they will probably die. So get them into the 10gal for treatment, and get a bigger tank like a 20 long for long term treatment. Keep your display empty of fish for 6-8-10 weeks to kill off the ich.

02/01/2015, 06:02 AM	#5
myram #347, 19 years Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Biddeford, ME Posts: 1,714	If it's the best you can do in a pinch, it's better then doing nothing at all.

02/01/2015, 08:42 AM	#6
julie180 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Raymore, MO Posts: 2,556	Having just gone through the tank to tank transfer method, I would suggest you look into it. That many fish in a 10 gallon tank its going to be almost impossible to keep the ammonia from building up and I don't think you can use Prime with copper based medicine. Instant ocean Bio-Spire instant cycle seems to work. I put some in my temp tank what was showing ammonia and within a couple of days, its down to 0.

02/01/2015, 10:59 AM	#9
jon99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atl Ga Posts: 817	10 gal will be way to small if ur fish are fairly large. I know a large tank can be expensive, but how about a large 30 gal plastic storage tote? They're like $10. If you do go that route, get two if the sides aren't very ridged. Then put one inside the other. Otherwise sides might bow from the water pressure and not hold up over time.

02/01/2015, 12:39 PM	#16
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	What is the quickest way between hypo and the super ick cure I don't like the idea of jumping em from one tank to the next Im thinking of going with hypo if that's the quickest and safest way to do it __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

02/01/2015, 12:42 PM	#17
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	Quick does not really matter. If you do not want to treat them again then you should leave your DT fishless for 72 days. This will eliminate the ich from the DT. TTM is the quickest treatment for ick. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/01/2015, 12:51 PM	#18
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	If there healthy acting and eating well still should I just wait it out and do more frequent water changes or will they still eventually die from it? __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

02/01/2015, 12:54 PM	#19
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	Eventually the ich will get to them or a secondary infection will. How soon no one can guess. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/01/2015, 01:10 PM	#21
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	I have 2 10g I use. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/01/2015, 01:17 PM	#22
jon99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atl Ga Posts: 817	Tank or tote, either will work. Tote will be bigger and cheaper, but easier to observe fish in tank to check them over. Filter is not 100% necessary, but some sort of circulation like a power head is. You don't need 2, just wash it really well when you move from one tank to the other to reduce chances of reintroducing the ich.

02/01/2015, 02:24 PM	#23
MaineReef22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maine Posts: 406	How many times should I move em and how often? __________________ Dont think about the money that goes into your tank it makes reefing a lot easier ;) Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon Mixed reef, Current Dual Satellite Series Lighting, AquaC Remora Skimmer, Fluval 305 filter

02/01/2015, 02:51 PM	#24
jon99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atl Ga Posts: 817	Start by reading through this: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1996525 It should answer most of ur questions.

02/01/2015, 02:54 PM	#25
jon99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atl Ga Posts: 817	Skimming through that thread looks like every 3 days,total of 4 times. I've never used this method personally.