Water changes and nopox

IansAquatics · 09/13/2015, 09:46 PM

Ok guys here's some fun facts. Tank is a 125 been dosing nopox for the last 2 and a half months after a huge tank crash nitrates were over a hundred, now reading around 80 on my Api kit seeings as that I can't use my Red Sea kit as it only reads to 64 ppm.

Anyways my questions is can I do water changes with it because at this point something has got to give. Everything I've read basically really gives no indication on what you should actually do.ni know it works by introducing bacteria. But I'm not sure if the bacteria is suspended in the water colony or on the rocks or what?

Before using nopox I tried everything. Massive water changes nothing helped so as a last resort I tried nopox. So far the only thing I can really tell is my tank is the cleanest looking at has ever been as far as algae control, but still
Not a drastic drop in nitrates. Also I've been dosing 10 ml a day made it up to 20 ml a day slowly but started seeing bacteria clumps form so cut it back to 15. Still no drastic drop.

If anyone has any advice ease share

stingeragent · 09/13/2015, 09:49 PM

To my non expert knowledge I don't think there is a bacteria in our systems that process nitrates, hence why water changes are needed (in both FW,SW). Are you using RO/DI or tap water? What caused your tank to get to that level in the first place? Not trying to nitpick, but it's pointless to put a bandaid over the problem, if the problem is still there.

chueu · 09/13/2015, 09:58 PM

My suggestion is to do lots of water changes. What do you usually do?

Describe the tank crash

igadget56 · 09/13/2015, 10:04 PM

[QUOTE=stingeragent;23998264]To my non expert knowledge I don't think there is a bacteria in our systems that process nitrates,

What does carbon dosing do?

jason2459 · 09/13/2015, 10:10 PM

I would suggest understanding more about how bacteria consumes acetic acid, nitrates, phosphates, etc

Carbon dosing with vinegar : http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index....arine-aquarium
With vodka: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php
diy no3po4x (vinegar/vodka) conversion thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...408985&page=11

jason2459 · 09/13/2015, 10:16 PM

OP I would be more patient. Keep up with normal periodic water changes. Make sure you're skimming consistently as that will help export some bacteria. Keep up with carbon dosing but I would choose a cheaper source and follow some of this charts for a guideline. I use just vinegar.

Also, how much rock do you have in the system. Are you purposefully growing some kind of algae and harvesting it? What kind of skimmer are you using?

IansAquatics · 09/13/2015, 10:53 PM

Ok guys . Tank crashed to Miley overdosing chemiclean. Lost an entire 2 square foot colony of Xenia along with all my other corals.

I have approximately 100 lbs of live Rock and I grow chaeto in my refugium. Also I run reef octopus in sump 300 and something. And I run a very wet skim in to a water jug as to my understanding wet skimming it water exports the broken down nitrates out of your system.

NaasReefer · 09/14/2015, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by IansAquatics

Ok guys here's some fun facts. Tank is a 125 been dosing nopox for the last 2 and a half months after a huge tank crash nitrates were over a hundred, now reading around 80 on my Api kit seeings as that I can't use my Red Sea kit as it only reads to 64 ppm.

Anyways my questions is can I do water changes with it because at this point something has got to give. Everything I've read basically really gives no indication on what you should actually do.ni know it works by introducing bacteria. But I'm not sure if the bacteria is suspended in the water colony or on the rocks or what?

Before using nopox I tried everything. Massive water changes nothing helped so as a last resort I tried nopox. So far the only thing I can really tell is my tank is the cleanest looking at has ever been as far as algae control, but still
Not a drastic drop in nitrates. Also I've been dosing 10 ml a day made it up to 20 ml a day slowly but started seeing bacteria clumps form so cut it back to 15. Still no drastic drop.

If anyone has any advice ease share

The thing I found with using NoPox was it takes a while but it does work. It took me about 6 months to get from 40ppm to 0 in my 120 gallon. Make sure the skimmer is running wet, that was the key for me I think, once I started to run the skimmer wetter the Nitrates dropped much faster. You can email Red Sea with all the details about your tank and include pictures of your skimmer and they'll help you out. Here's a video on my experience using nopox

With regards to water changes I stuck to my 10% every two weeks.

09/13/2015, 09:46 PM	#1
IansAquatics Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 151	Water changes and nopox Ok guys here's some fun facts. Tank is a 125 been dosing nopox for the last 2 and a half months after a huge tank crash nitrates were over a hundred, now reading around 80 on my Api kit seeings as that I can't use my Red Sea kit as it only reads to 64 ppm. Anyways my questions is can I do water changes with it because at this point something has got to give. Everything I've read basically really gives no indication on what you should actually do.ni know it works by introducing bacteria. But I'm not sure if the bacteria is suspended in the water colony or on the rocks or what? Before using nopox I tried everything. Massive water changes nothing helped so as a last resort I tried nopox. So far the only thing I can really tell is my tank is the cleanest looking at has ever been as far as algae control, but still Not a drastic drop in nitrates. Also I've been dosing 10 ml a day made it up to 20 ml a day slowly but started seeing bacteria clumps form so cut it back to 15. Still no drastic drop. If anyone has any advice ease share

09/13/2015, 09:58 PM	#3
chueu Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brunei Posts: 276	My suggestion is to do lots of water changes. What do you usually do? Describe the tank crash __________________ My Slice of the Ocean in my home Current Tank Info: 180G Reef

09/13/2015, 10:10 PM	#5
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I would suggest understanding more about how bacteria consumes acetic acid, nitrates, phosphates, etc Carbon dosing with vinegar : http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index....arine-aquarium With vodka: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php diy no3po4x (vinegar/vodka) conversion thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...408985&page=11 __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/13/2015, 10:16 PM	#6
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	OP I would be more patient. Keep up with normal periodic water changes. Make sure you're skimming consistently as that will help export some bacteria. Keep up with carbon dosing but I would choose a cheaper source and follow some of this charts for a guideline. I use just vinegar. Also, how much rock do you have in the system. Are you purposefully growing some kind of algae and harvesting it? What kind of skimmer are you using? __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/13/2015, 09:49 PM	#2
stingeragent Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,032	To my non expert knowledge I don't think there is a bacteria in our systems that process nitrates, hence why water changes are needed (in both FW,SW). Are you using RO/DI or tap water? What caused your tank to get to that level in the first place? Not trying to nitpick, but it's pointless to put a bandaid over the problem, if the problem is still there.

09/13/2015, 10:04 PM	#4
igadget56 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 820	[QUOTE=stingeragent;23998264]To my non expert knowledge I don't think there is a bacteria in our systems that process nitrates, What does carbon dosing do?

09/13/2015, 10:53 PM	#7
IansAquatics Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 151	Ok guys . Tank crashed to Miley overdosing chemiclean. Lost an entire 2 square foot colony of Xenia along with all my other corals. I have approximately 100 lbs of live Rock and I grow chaeto in my refugium. Also I run reef octopus in sump 300 and something. And I run a very wet skim in to a water jug as to my understanding wet skimming it water exports the broken down nitrates out of your system.