|
10/15/2017, 10:56 PM | #1 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 3
|
University coral reef lab building an Aiptasia farm
Hi everyone, I’m a marine biologist at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, and I’m hoping for some help with our upcoming projects. We study the effects of climate change on corals and the coral symbiosis, and to do that we use everyone’s favorite tank pest, Aiptasia. They are a great model organism for experiments because they’re small, tough, grow quickly, and are easily handled in the lab. For some upcoming experiments, though, we need a lot of Aiptasia. Thousands. I know there are some expert Aiptasia farmers on ReefCentral (intentionally or not!) and I’m looking for advice for building a world-class Aiptasia farm.
Here is our current, very basic tank setup: Tanks (~40L/10G each) are half-filled with natural filtered seawater, with no substrate, live rock or other livestock. Each has a small heater (25C/77F) and powerhead with acrylic lids (not pictured) to reduce evaporation. Lighting is provided by standard T12 fluorescents, and some tanks have additional exposure to natural sunlight. There is no filtration, but the water is changed (50-75%) weekly. The anemones are fed 2-3 times per week with live brine shrimp. I am aware that they're pretty ugly and bare-bones, but it's all about function over form! One example setup: Interior shots: Why now? We will soon be moving our laboratory to a brand new building, and we have the opportunity and some funding to build a new, larger, Aiptasia farm system. We need to be able to grow as many Aiptasia as we can, as quickly as we can. We need your ideas to make it better. Our requirements: - We can’t take any new Aiptasia from elsewhere. Ours are all genetic clones descended from one individual Aiptasia years ago, and to make sure the experiments are consistent we are only using this particular strain. Sorry, no donations! - No substrate, live rock or other livestock. We can’t introduce any hitchhikers into the tanks for experimental reasons, and it’s important that it be bare glass so we can easily remove Aiptasia with a razor blade for experiments. - Small tanks, easily cleaned, with multiple separate systems for backup. We may be able to plumb multiple tanks to the same sump, but we'll still need multiple parallel tank systems. - We use natural seawater for cost reasons. - Simpler is better. Our current problems: - Biofilm algae! It grows very quickly, smothers the smallest Aiptasia and, if left uncleaned, seems to become toxic to the adult Aiptasia. - Too much time scrubbing tanks! - No filtration! There is no nutrient export from these tanks, only water changes, leading us to the next problem: - Too much seawater usage! It’s a lot of work for us to collect filtered seawater, so any ways to reduce the need for water changes would be helpful. Any ideas? Any advice would be appreciated. I have experience with home coral tanks in the past, but the needs of this system are pretty different. I’m currently exploring adding GFO and some artificial liverock substitutes (e.g. Seachem Matrix) in a canister/hang on filter to reduce the nutrient load between water changes. A protein skimmer might be helpful but it's difficult with these small tanks. I'll post any updates. I’m also happy to answer any questions about the work we do and how we’ll be using the Aiptasia! |
10/16/2017, 12:31 AM | #2 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 376
|
Going to need either a refugium or snails for the algae... But I believe you couldn't go with the snails due to experiments?
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
10/16/2017, 01:33 AM | #3 | |
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 3
|
Quote:
|
|
10/16/2017, 06:56 AM | #4 |
Registered Member
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 22
|
Interesting project!
To control the nutrients you could install a skimmer, then you won't have to do these huge water changes anymore. Personally I haven't changed water for around 2 years, haven't had major problems apart from a aiptasia outbreak |
10/16/2017, 07:56 AM | #5 |
Recovering Detritophobe
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Cary, NC
Posts: 7,443
|
Cut down on the light to reduce algae. In my experience aiptasia are fine with little to no light if they are fed. I have tons in my sump which has no light over it, just getting ambient light from room windows. Not enough light to grow algae, but full of aiptasia!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles |
10/16/2017, 08:10 AM | #6 | |
Registered Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,671
|
Quote:
Curious, have you tried blending them? I have heard that something berugia farmers do is take a half dozen in a cup and use a stick blender to make a slurry and dump it in a tank and have hundreds of babies in a short time. I know you said glass only but it may be worthwile to try putting something like eggcrate (plastic lighting diffuser) in to help them settle. you can still easily seprate them from the eggcrate with an exacto knife. |
|
10/16/2017, 11:55 AM | #7 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,985
|
Here's my 2 cents:
For the algae on the glass use a BIG UV sterilizer. When you wipe it off the glass a lot of it is in suspension and will resettle in hours. Use paper towels to wipe the algae off, just use once then throw it away to reduce algae going back in suspension. Experiement with dosing ammonia to feed the aiptasia to increase thier growth rate. (Check the research, anemonies need the ammonia from fish.) I would not reduce lighting and might even increase it, reasoning is if the aiptasia increase their growth they'll compete better against the algae. Cut back on water changes. 10% weekly should be more than adequite. You'll see changes in the nutrients and ecosystem initially but you're basicly shifting your system to use your aiptasia for filtering. Keep us updated.
__________________
"Our crystal clear aquaria come nowhere close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs" Charles Delbeek |
10/16/2017, 12:29 PM | #8 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 20,050
|
water changes? pfft...
why aiptasia seem to thrive in dirty water.. Don't do water changes...let your nitrates get to 100+ and watch them grow to 4-6inches long or more all over the place.. I wonder why aiptasia vs the more commonly studied "reef building" corals that are being impacted by climate change? Do you think the research will translate to SPS,etc.. corals that are the ones really being impacted? These suckers were easily over 6" long in my old tank..
__________________
Who me? |
10/16/2017, 01:18 PM | #9 | |
Registered Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Florida, FWB
Posts: 3,389
|
Quote:
Can you not use synthetic aquarium salt and filtered RO/DI water? That could reduce the problem a lot there. Grazers to graze on the algae. A refugium to grow lots of algae in a controlled tank away from the breeding tanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant |
|
10/16/2017, 04:51 PM | #10 | |||||
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 3
|
Thanks for all the responses.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
10/17/2017, 10:55 PM | #11 |
Registered Member
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Anaheim, CA
Posts: 6,902
|
A large UV sterilizer should also kill any small aptasia ( juveniles) that go through it. I would carefully test any possible UV set up to make sure your not killing unsettled polyps. Probably a smaller UV at fairly high flow.
Jave you considered dosing hydrogen peroxide? It will kill algae and not hurt aptasia from what I have seen. I would set up some sort of rack with multiple glass or egg crate to increase the surface area substantially. I would also experiment with the type and amounts of food your feeding, possibly cutting back.
__________________
240G mixed reef, 29G SPS/LPS clam tank, 50G mixed reef Current Tank Info: 300g mixed reef, 50g cube |
10/17/2017, 11:52 PM | #12 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1
|
This is very interesting stuff. I actually have a degree in evolutionary biology. I'm still learning things to do with oceanic biology. You might consider lowering the lighting to a lower wavelength, possibly not killing as many as an experiment at least.
|
11/02/2017, 01:32 PM | #13 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 739
|
what about getting more water movement in there? it should help keep the biofilm algae from getting a foothold. the aiptasia will have no problems with some extra flow.
G~
__________________
Friends don't let friends use refugiums. Current Tank Info: Not dead yet. |
11/02/2017, 07:19 PM | #14 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 130
|
From my experience...Grow your aiptasia in the dark. They're capable of photosynthesizing, but they don't need to... especially in a nutrient-rich environment. By eliminating light, you eliminate the advantage the algae have over the aiptasia.
Skip the UV sterilizer, as it'll kill any cast-off juvenile aiptasia. Instead, increase water movement within the tank. Give the aiptasia more varied surfaces to colonize, as well. Use plexiglass or acrylic to create surfaces on 45-degree and 30-degree angles, and ensure that water stirs on both sides of each surface. Aiptasia will colonize upside down as readily as upright. Stress the system a bit by allowing temperature to fluctuate from low to high and back, but remain within temperate to tropical range. Aiptasia multiply as readily in response to environmental instabilite as they do to a food surplus. |
11/08/2017, 01:25 PM | #15 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 365
|
Aiptasia outbreaks have destroyed some of my best garden / zoa tanks. We're talking about thousands of dollars worth of rare zoas / palys wiped out. Because I often keep these tanks in high protein water columns to speed up growth once Aiptasia gets in there growth is explosive. I've learned the hard way that high tech solutions like burning them with lasers doesn't work. You need direct chemical warfare to have the best chance of killing them. Vinegar in a insulin syringe seems just as effective as anything.
Throw some beef hart or any type of dense meat in a blender with water and mulch it until cloudy. Pour this periodically in the tank and aiptasia along with larger filter feeders like green implosion palys will explode in growth. |
11/09/2017, 07:41 AM | #16 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 1,882
|
LeRoy Hadley at GARF once used acrylic race ways covered with Aptasia as nutrient removal mechanism.
Clint, Would the mechanical layout of raceways better serve your operation? Have you considered Xenia as a case study candidate? It is very prolific.
__________________
Laissez les bons temps rouler, Patrick Castille Current Tank Info: 10,000G. Greenhouse Macro Growout |
11/09/2017, 04:44 PM | #17 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 356
|
Not a solution to any of your problems but potentially a new one. If you are looking to culture only one strand of aiptasia then it's not a good idea to use natural seawater because you don't know what you're introducing with each water change. I'm amazed at the things that grow out of seemingly nothing. The only way to guarantee you're not introducing something that undermines your experiment is to establish a truly closed system with no water changes or minimal ones using only synthetic salt.
__________________
350G display, 700G system loaded with all kinds of neat stuff! Current Tank Info: 350G DT, 700G system including in-line mantis, anemone and frag tanks |
11/17/2017, 01:49 AM | #18 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Beaverton
Posts: 5,290
|
Have you tried electrocuting them?
There was a thing a few years back in the hobby called a manjo wand or something like that. Basically it was a stick with a wire on the end that was electrified. You would put the wire/stick in the nem and it was supposed to kill them. Problem was a few weeks later reefers would see hundreds of new ones. It was a great way to turn 5 nems into 100 nems inside 2 weeks IME. What about carbon dosing? If you have biological filtration and a skimmer, you could carbon dose to cut costs and eleminate your need for water changes. You would just have to replace whatever elements the aiptasia needed for growth back into the water. HTH
__________________
120g mixed reef 90g QT |
11/17/2017, 10:37 AM | #19 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glocester, RI
Posts: 3,336
|
I think the best strategy is to actively not want them. That way, they'll grow like crazy.
__________________
My build thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2548422 Current Tank Info: 65 gallon mixed reef, Eshopps sump and HOB overflow, RO-110int skimmer, Reefbreeder 32" photons V1. |
11/19/2017, 09:50 AM | #20 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Norfolk, England
Posts: 1,576
|
I would look at algae turf scrubbers to reduce algae. They are more efficient at reducing nutrients than a macro algae refugium and you wouldn't need to add anything new to the tank, just light the scrubber screen and in time the algae develops.
As for aiptasia multiplication you could poke them with a screwdriving or similar. Annoying the adults sometimes makes them bud and commercial aiptasia cures like aiptasia X often destroy the main anemone but leave plenty of tissue around the base for more to grow. By poking them with something you get the same result. |
11/20/2017, 12:28 AM | #21 | |
Μολὼν λαβέ
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: SFV, S. California
Posts: 1,304
|
Quote:
|
|
11/20/2017, 03:25 AM | #22 |
Registered Member
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Anaheim, CA
Posts: 6,902
|
I agree you really should not be using sea water at the risk of contaminating your stock. You should not need to do water changes that often, as they love dirty water. i also agree they do not need light to grow. I do not have any in my display or sump thanks to a file fish and peppermint shrimp, however I have plenty in my unlight overflow. Yes they do prefer light but clearydo not need it. They are about the easiest species to propagate. Use a razor blade to cut them off just above the foot then cut the main piece down the center starting at the mouth. Eat them settle and you will have 3. For food you might try nitrate directly.
__________________
240G mixed reef, 29G SPS/LPS clam tank, 50G mixed reef Current Tank Info: 300g mixed reef, 50g cube |
11/20/2017, 06:32 AM | #23 |
Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Norfolk, England
Posts: 1,576
|
I've heard the reproductive method changes in different light situations, although don't know if that's true. In dark areas budding is the preferred method which explains why you see so many pop up in a short amount of time in overflows and why they appear more randomly in the display.
So perhaps experiment with areas of light and dark. |
12/03/2017, 09:18 PM | #24 | |
Registered Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Bethesda, MD
Posts: 1,807
|
Quote:
I would just skip the UV. The whole idea of using a colony from a single descendent is to achieve a nearly isogenenic culture or strain. UV works by mutating DNA. So if any polyps run through the UV, even if not killed, you'll accelerate mutations. I say this speaking as a Drosophila geneticist. FB
__________________
Just getting back in, but trying to do it right! Current Tank Info: 40 gallon tank. SPS, LPS, few softies |
|
12/08/2017, 09:44 PM | #25 |
Moved on
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Coastal Texas
Posts: 16,000
|
All reef ecosystem have algae grazers other than fish. Just observer your ocean, I am sure you will find grazer that control your algae problem.
Even just get a Stomatella snails. They will easily reproduce in your tank and control your algae problem. In reef and reef tank Stomatella are easy prey for many fish, crabs and shrimps. In your system, devoid of predator, Stomatella will reproduce until they are control by their food source. These are hitch hiker on rocks and corals I an sure you can find a few from reefers or any LFS
__________________
Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip |
Tags |
aiptasia, propagation |
Thread Tools | |
|
|