What treats what disease? The short course. - Page 3

Terry Reefer · 11/01/2017, 07:02 PM

Helpful, thanks

jaking · 12/07/2017, 11:11 PM

What meds should you keep in stock for quick treatment once you see a problem?

dtb125 · 06/02/2018, 10:24 PM

I have a Coral beauty with cloudy eye or Popeye not �� percent but really think it's cloudy eye or basically a scratched eye that has become bacterially infected. Dipped for several hours in a separate tank holding two gallons of water with injectable cefazolin. Am planning to repeat the process for five days. My thinking is that my tank is unable to process waste and ammonia can cause and does complicate cloudy eye and popeye and I don't want to burn the eye worse during treatment. Would very much appreciate an existing opinion on my planned course of action. He is the only living thing in tank at the time and my parameters are so low my cheatomorpha reactor barely shows any growth and tank will not support pest alge. System is a 40 gallon with 20 gallon sump.

dtb125 · 06/03/2018, 04:51 AM

P.s. dose is 25 ml per gallon

lagatbezan · 06/03/2018, 09:57 AM

Can you post a pic? Is it both eyes or just one? Is it swollen and poped out or just hazy? Are you sure it's not flukes? Flukes can get into the eye and make it look haizy and cloudy as well as cause secondary infection. A 5 min fw dip can confirm if you are dealing with flukes. In the 3-4 min mark you should see them fall off and they look like clear sesame seeds.
If not, it could be an infection in which case best treatment would be kanaplex or erythromycin in qt for a min 10 days.

dtb125 · 06/03/2018, 11:44 AM

Thank you for your response.It is only one eye and is definitely swollen and shows degrading tissue damage (I.e. sluffing off dead tissue. Not 100 percent that is not a fluke but other than the eye he acts pretty peppy. No scratching behavior or clamping fins. They are notorious for having bacterial issues when caught in the Philippines is part of my thinking. Would certainly prefer kaneplx but will have to order it and wanted to start treatment as good water and diet aren't going to get him over the hump. Have a vet ready to give me arithromyacin but the medical sources he pulled up said that it would be tough on the liver and to try the myacin family last so I listened. Have to go to my Aikido class soon I will try to post pics when I return after 4 my time. Tried to get him to fight it off with low stress good nutrition and stupid clean water for about four days we showing improvement them got worse so I went ahead and called the vet for antibiotics since no one locally has kaniplex. Would be easy to keep in qt if I could use carbon but afraid it will affect the treatment. I will get more salt so I can keep him in water changes and get the kaniplex as soon as I can get it shipped.

dtb125 · 06/03/2018, 03:07 PM

Really hard to get a good pic he doesn't want to turn the bad eye due to me as I'm sure you know

dtb125 · 06/03/2018, 04:10 PM

Did the fresh water dip for five minutes and two white concave fleshy looking round objects came off or out of the eye. Does this seem like flukes?

dtb125 · 06/03/2018, 05:29 PM

Finally found some pictures pretty sure it's flukes so the new plan is a prazipro regimen. Will wait to hear back from someone before I proceed for confirmation of diagnosis as long as I can

Louis Z · 06/03/2018, 09:06 PM

So how does the eye look now after the dip. Yes you did the right thing with FW dip. I would repeat it again in a day to make sure they all come off

lagatbezan · 06/03/2018, 10:46 PM

Angels and butterfly fish are noctoroous for flukes. You want to treat with prazipro or general cure. A minimum of 2 treatments 5-7 days apart. Sometimes a third one is needed as well. A 90 min bath in acriflavine will help deal with infection that can occur from the flukes while doing the treatment. You might have to use a trifecta of kanaplex, furan2 and metro after the Prazipro treatment to deal with any secondary infections. Prazipro will deplete oxygen in the water so make sure you airate the water by having a few airstone or facing a powerhead to the surface. ( same for when using most any other meds).

dtb125 · 06/04/2018, 02:53 AM

Thank y'all so much surprisingly have never dealt with flukes. Dealt with ich velvet fish tb (which killed everybody and made me sick as I have ever been) fin rot but not flukes till now.

dtb125 · 06/04/2018, 02:59 AM

P.s. the eye did clear up some after these two nasty critters came off.

lagatbezan · 06/04/2018, 08:37 AM

thats great! keep up with the treatments. you want to do the full course to catch all the eggs that hatch as well.

Putjamonit · 09/08/2018, 11:25 AM

I have a flame angel that has been in a 20gal qt for 8 weeks. First two weeks were prazi. Next four weeks were cupramine. Around 3.5 weeks into cupramine, the tail fin looked like it had a bite taken out of it. i thought it was a bite from a blue throat trigger who was in qt concurrently.

At end of Cu treatment, I removed Cu with charcoal and out trigger into DT. Then I let the flame sit in qt for a week. (went on vacation during that week). When I returned, Flame has further tail fin erosion and is losing color in face and gills. He is also barely eating (mysis, rod’s, or spirulina).

Thinking it is a bacterial infection, I have treated him with kanaplex and metroplex for a week. He does not look like he is getting better. Any thoughts?

Video attached.
Thanks in advance.

Jason9488 · 09/08/2018, 03:04 PM

Try tetracycline

Putjamonit · 09/10/2018, 04:51 PM

What is the basis for using tetracycline?I t Thought it was not very soluble in salt water?

sbla · 10/17/2018, 08:47 PM

hello there, i am sabila from Indonesia.
i have some problem here. so, i have a few sting ray in my tank, they suddenly has wounded on its fins, pale skin when i take a dip into Fresh water.
after that i took it from FW dips, they looks so slimey. then i see those slime under microscope with 40 magnification and this is the result..

Isidoros · 05/16/2019, 10:37 PM

Hello everyone!!
I have a purple tang who get this thing after a fight with my leucosternon

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Isidoros · 05/21/2019, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isidoros

Hello everyone!!
I have a purple tang who get this thing after a fight with my leucosternon

anyone?
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HumbleFish · 05/21/2019, 08:27 AM

Looks like "battle damage" that has now gotten infected. I would QT and treat with neomycin (Seachem Neoplex). A 30 min Methylene blue bath might also help.

Isidoros · 06/11/2019, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HumbleFish

Looks like "battle damage" that has now gotten infected. I would QT and treat with neomycin (Seachem Neoplex). A 30 min Methylene blue bath might also help.

Thanks!

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06/02/2018, 10:24 PM	#53
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	I have a Coral beauty with cloudy eye or Popeye not �� percent but really think it's cloudy eye or basically a scratched eye that has become bacterially infected. Dipped for several hours in a separate tank holding two gallons of water with injectable cefazolin. Am planning to repeat the process for five days. My thinking is that my tank is unable to process waste and ammonia can cause and does complicate cloudy eye and popeye and I don't want to burn the eye worse during treatment. Would very much appreciate an existing opinion on my planned course of action. He is the only living thing in tank at the time and my parameters are so low my cheatomorpha reactor barely shows any growth and tank will not support pest alge. System is a 40 gallon with 20 gallon sump. Last edited by dtb125; 06/03/2018 at 04:53 AM.

06/03/2018, 09:57 AM	#55
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	Can you post a pic? Is it both eyes or just one? Is it swollen and poped out or just hazy? Are you sure it's not flukes? Flukes can get into the eye and make it look haizy and cloudy as well as cause secondary infection. A 5 min fw dip can confirm if you are dealing with flukes. In the 3-4 min mark you should see them fall off and they look like clear sesame seeds. If not, it could be an infection in which case best treatment would be kanaplex or erythromycin in qt for a min 10 days. __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

06/03/2018, 11:44 AM	#56
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	Thank you for your response.It is only one eye and is definitely swollen and shows degrading tissue damage (I.e. sluffing off dead tissue. Not 100 percent that is not a fluke but other than the eye he acts pretty peppy. No scratching behavior or clamping fins. They are notorious for having bacterial issues when caught in the Philippines is part of my thinking. Would certainly prefer kaneplx but will have to order it and wanted to start treatment as good water and diet aren't going to get him over the hump. Have a vet ready to give me arithromyacin but the medical sources he pulled up said that it would be tough on the liver and to try the myacin family last so I listened. Have to go to my Aikido class soon I will try to post pics when I return after 4 my time. Tried to get him to fight it off with low stress good nutrition and stupid clean water for about four days we showing improvement them got worse so I went ahead and called the vet for antibiotics since no one locally has kaniplex. Would be easy to keep in qt if I could use carbon but afraid it will affect the treatment. I will get more salt so I can keep him in water changes and get the kaniplex as soon as I can get it shipped. Last edited by dtb125; 06/03/2018 at 11:59 AM.

06/03/2018, 10:46 PM	#61
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	Angels and butterfly fish are noctoroous for flukes. You want to treat with prazipro or general cure. A minimum of 2 treatments 5-7 days apart. Sometimes a third one is needed as well. A 90 min bath in acriflavine will help deal with infection that can occur from the flukes while doing the treatment. You might have to use a trifecta of kanaplex, furan2 and metro after the Prazipro treatment to deal with any secondary infections. Prazipro will deplete oxygen in the water so make sure you airate the water by having a few airstone or facing a powerhead to the surface. ( same for when using most any other meds). __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

06/04/2018, 08:37 AM	#64
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	thats great! keep up with the treatments. you want to do the full course to catch all the eggs that hatch as well. __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

11/01/2017, 07:02 PM	#51
Terry Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 21	Helpful, thanks

12/07/2017, 11:11 PM	#52
jaking Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Florence, AL Posts: 50	What meds should you keep in stock for quick treatment once you see a problem?

06/03/2018, 04:51 AM	#54
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	P.s. dose is 25 ml per gallon

06/03/2018, 05:29 PM	#59
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	Finally found some pictures pretty sure it's flukes so the new plan is a prazipro regimen. Will wait to hear back from someone before I proceed for confirmation of diagnosis as long as I can

06/03/2018, 09:06 PM	#60
Louis Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,257	So how does the eye look now after the dip. Yes you did the right thing with FW dip. I would repeat it again in a day to make sure they all come off

06/04/2018, 02:53 AM	#62
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	Thank y'all so much surprisingly have never dealt with flukes. Dealt with ich velvet fish tb (which killed everybody and made me sick as I have ever been) fin rot but not flukes till now.

06/04/2018, 02:59 AM	#63
dtb125 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 78	P.s. the eye did clear up some after these two nasty critters came off.

09/08/2018, 03:04 PM	#66
Jason9488 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 152	Try tetracycline

09/10/2018, 04:51 PM	#67
Putjamonit Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2	Tetra What is the basis for using tetracycline?I t Thought it was not very soluble in salt water?

10/17/2018, 08:47 PM	#68
sbla Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 2	Over slime production on sting ray fish hello there, i am sabila from Indonesia. i have some problem here. so, i have a few sting ray in my tank, they suddenly has wounded on its fins, pale skin when i take a dip into Fresh water. after that i took it from FW dips, they looks so slimey. then i see those slime under microscope with 40 magnification and this is the result..

05/16/2019, 10:37 PM	#69
Isidoros Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Athens-Greece Posts: 50	Hello everyone!! I have a purple tang who get this thing after a fight with my leucosternon Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 4-8-2006 Current Tank Info: 100 gallon

05/21/2019, 08:27 AM	#71
HumbleFish Moved On Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4,757	Looks like "battle damage" that has now gotten infected. I would QT and treat with neomycin (Seachem Neoplex). A 30 min Methylene blue bath might also help.

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