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[ERIC85854]

Originally Posted by jiminy_crime

Ok needing help.

Been wondering why my bubble tips (both Sherman red and rainbow tip anemone) have turned brown over the last year under my Kessil 360s.

Everything I have read about that suggests lighting isn't intense enough. I am currently at 70% intensity with my 360s and they sit 10" off the water line and have a 20" depth to penetrate. The anemones sit near the middle/bottom of the tank at about 14" from the water line.

My question is this:
•Does the UV in the KESSILs cause this?
•Should I turn up the intensity? Most of what I have read says anemones turn brown due to poor lighting.

Just looking for what could have caused this. The anemones have really grown quite large but I have read where many people say that their anemones retain their color under good lighting.

Thoughts?

I had problems with anemones shrinking and dying with the a high color setting. Mine color is at 30%


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[jiminy_crime]

Mine are not shrinking and dying...mine are healthy and growing...they just turned from orange and red to a tan brown color. Most articles I have read said that most have determined this to be weak lights.


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[ERIC85854]

Originally Posted by jiminy_crime

Mine are not shrinking and dying...mine are healthy and growing...they just turned from orange and red to a tan brown color. Most articles I have read said that most have determined this to be weak lights.


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You could try increasing intensity by 5% every month or so.

[stormrider27]

Hello, I've been out of the hobby for about 4 years but the reefer itch never went away so I am in the process of setting up a 56 column which is 30"W x 24"H x 18"D. As you can see from my photos my rock work is centered. I want to grow SPS on the upper 1/2 of the rocks and perhaps a few LPS on the lower 1/2 and I don't want anything on the sand bed. Do you think I can work with two 160we or do I need to bite the bullet and go with 1 or 2 360WE.

Thanks!
Mark

[Ssteve]

I would hang the light higher and run the intensity up more.

[gveng]

Originally Posted by stormrider27

Hello, I've been out of the hobby for about 4 years but the reefer itch never went away so I am in the process of setting up a 56 column which is 30"W x 24"H x 18"D. As you can see from my photos my rock work is centered. I want to grow SPS on the upper 1/2 of the rocks and perhaps a few LPS on the lower 1/2 and I don't want anything on the sand bed. Do you think I can work with two 160we or do I need to bite the bullet and go with 1 or 2 360WE.

Thanks!
Mark

[/IMG]

Hi Mark,

Those dimensions would be perfect for (1) 360WE using the gooseneck mount.

Unfortunately, the center brace is always going to cause shading. Since it's a new build, I would seriously consider buying a new tank to avoid future headaches.

[truepercs]

Originally Posted by dougchambers

Minimum intensity is 15% to get the Kessils to turn on with the Apex. I have four 360's daisy-chained and find that I have to set my bottom threshold at 17% intensity to get all four to fire at the same time. Color is full 0-100%.

It was nice to see this post while looking over the thread... I was thinking something was wrong with my A360 light when I hooked it up to the Apex controller. By experimenting I got it to stop flickering by setting to 17% @ both start and end of ramp.

Aquarium 24x24x18 I ended up using a360 and a160...

[madweazl]

Measurements were taken at 65% color and 39% intensity (Apogee with full spectrum probe). Tank is lit with two Kessil A360Ws mounted five inches above the water. Upper most measurements were taken just under the water surface. Kessils have been on the tank for almost six months now (previously lit with two SB Reef). Colors of the corals have never been better.

Standard 75g tank

[pelphrey]

Red Sea Reefer 250 with two 160's. Plan to add either a 360 in the middle or another 160 to the tank.

[Brock0019]

Originally Posted by pelphrey

Red Sea Reefer 250 with two 160's. Plan to add either a 360 in the middle or another 160 to the tank.

Looks goood!
I have one 700 over my 525. Need to sell my T5 fixture to fund the second one!

[pelphrey]

Originally Posted by Brock0019

Looks goood!
I have one 700 over my 525. Need to sell my T5 fixture to fund the second one!

I'd like to have the AP700 and I haven't ruled that out yet...

[Croff]

I have a Reefer 170 (25x20 inches, 20 tall) with a single Kessil 360W, and I'm trying to improve shadowing. Do you think the AP700 will be overkill for this aquarium? Better a second 360? I know also about T5 supplementation, but I prefer going only LED.

[Ssteve]

Anyone seen Reefi-lab? Start-up company with a single point light. 150w with wifi control over 5 channels for $300. He also offers a casing with a lens shade which would be real nice for when the lights are mounted high.

[smatter]

Originally Posted by Ssteve

Anyone seen Reefi-lab? Start-up company with a single point light. 150w with wifi control over 5 channels for $300. He also offers a casing with a lens shade which would be real nice for when the lights are mounted high.

Sound's cool. I have always thought barn doors as seen in stage lighting would be cool on Kessils to minimize eye beamage.

[Brock0019]

Originally Posted by pelphrey

I'd like to have the AP700 and I haven't ruled that out yet...

It is a really nice and expensive light. If you like what you have now and have the funds, it wouldn't be a bad upgrade. Plus it looks sharp!

[Brock0019]

Originally Posted by Croff

I have a Reefer 170 (25x20 inches, 20 tall) with a single Kessil 360W, and I'm trying to improve shadowing. Do you think the AP700 will be overkill for this aquarium? Better a second 360? I know also about T5 supplementation, but I prefer going only LED.

I'd think if you were going to spend the money for a second 360, you may as well get the 700 (and sell the current 360) for the upgrade and controllability from the app (which isn't at all that great but it works)

[Croff]

I wrote Kessil about it and they said the 700 would be overkill, too much spillage, better another 360, but I don't think is such a bad idea in case I upgrade in the future. Thank you, anyway

[Esage]

Originally Posted by Croff

I have a Reefer 170 (25x20 inches, 20 tall) with a single Kessil 360W, and I'm trying to improve shadowing. Do you think the AP700 will be overkill for this aquarium? Better a second 360? I know also about T5 supplementation, but I prefer going only LED.

I would look at going with two A160. I wish I would have gone this route on my 30" long tank instead of a single A360. The single A360 works fine for now, but will be an issue when corals start growing in

[Croff]

Originally Posted by Esage

I would look at going with two A160. I wish I would have gone this route on my 30" long tank instead of a single A360. The single A360 works fine for now, but will be an issue when corals start growing in

Yes, that is what I thought initially, but having already one A360 I think it's easier to buy another A360 instead os selling the 360 and buying 2 160. Won't be much more expensive and also better in case I get a larger tank.

[madweazl]

Originally Posted by Croff

Yes, that is what I thought initially, but having already one A360 I think it's easier to buy another A360 instead os selling the 360 and buying 2 160. Won't be much more expensive and also better in case I get a larger tank.

I think that is the best option; you can space them closer together than the 700 so you don't have so much wasted light. And if you ever do go bigger, you'll still have the flexibility to space them how you want. They have worked fantastic for me.

[jiminy_crime]

Is it pointless to use a par meter when dialing in Kessils?


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[Mr.Shrimps]

Why would it be pointless?

[madweazl]

Originally Posted by jiminy_crime

Is it pointless to use a par meter when dialing in Kessils?

I wouldn't say pointless but I certainly think we get too caught up in the numbers. I set my intensities to what seemed to be working for my corals for the last six to seven months and just measured the PAR last week. At 40% max intensity, I knew I wasn't going to see any big numbers but I was surprised by how good everything looked in comparison to how low my results were given all the minimums you see posted for specific species.

[jiminy_crime]

I ask that because everything I read about Kessils suggests that even if you get low par readings, that Kessils are deceivingly powerful.


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[jiminy_crime]

I am wondering if switchcing from a 8hr photo period to a 12 hr photo period could have caused a bleaching event if you moved too fast.


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