240 Inwall Construction (Image Intense) - Page 13

weatherson · 07/30/2005, 04:49 PM

Nathan: Thank you, sir.

RGibson: I don't know of the 6200 but a fellow club mate has 6100's and a Kill-a-watt so I'll try and get that for you if you are interested.

Joseph

RGibson · 07/30/2005, 05:35 PM

That would help a lot,Thank you Joseph

original-reefland · 07/30/2005, 10:32 PM

I just tested my 6100 with a kill-a-watt. At idle was 0.07 amp / 02 watt. On cycle was 0.28 amp / 24 watt. It did not change over its cycle which I thought it would change as it sped up.

This is the program I'm running in my controller:

weatherson · 07/31/2005, 02:39 PM

Well, there you go. Thanks Rich.

Joseph

original-reefland · 07/31/2005, 09:14 PM

It would be nice if someone could confirm numbers. The numbers I saw were lower than I expected as it is rated 45 watts.

weatherson · 08/01/2005, 01:53 PM

I asked my friend again so it should be posted shortly.

Joseph

whodah · 08/03/2005, 08:21 PM

heya!

sorry bout that... forgot to do the task the first time joe mentioned!

okie dokie... kill-a-watt vs. tunze 6100 going through a tunze 7094 multicontroller....

i forced the multicontroller into 'night time mode' so it would not oscilate any.

then i ramped up the 'low' setting on the mulicontroller from min to max and here is what i got:

30% setting on multicontroller* = 6-12W**
40% = 19W
65% = 27W
80% = 33W
100%*** = 40W

* the minimum setting on the 7094 multicontroller

** at this setting - my tunze 6100 'chirped' VERY slightly. just enough to sound the piezo. (which means it was 'stopping or stuck' and would ramp from 6-12W.) i could hear the sound of the 6100 struggling to stay on. it was trying to turn on and off.

*** the maximum setting on the 7094 multicontroller

incidently, i hooked it up to my icecap 660 which is currently firing mixed bulbs:
2 x 54W T5's
2 x 110W VHO

and the kill-a-watt read 304W

HTH!

weatherson · 08/04/2005, 12:18 AM

Thanks Whodah. Interesting on the IC660 as mine run at 251-watts with four 110-watt VHO's. Those T5's suck more power?

Joseph

RGibson · 08/04/2005, 04:16 AM

Joseph and Whodah thank you for the help Ralph

JVHam · 08/04/2005, 11:38 AM

THe icecap 660 will overdrive the bulbs a lot. My 39watt T5s run at 60 watts a piece and have been running for 6 months with no obvious color shift. THey also run a lot hotter. I have a Kill a Watt and my 6 lamps use 318 watts? I have a tunze 6000 and a multi coming on Monday so I am interested to see the difference between the 6000 and 6100.

whodah · 08/04/2005, 11:46 AM

hrm... well....

2 x 110W VHO + 2 x 54W T5 = 328W total

and of course:

4 x 110W VHO = 440W total

but your's is only doing 251W eh?

was your dimmer on during the measurement by chance?

whodah · 08/04/2005, 11:47 AM

RGibson: np btw!

weatherson · 08/04/2005, 12:06 PM

Whodah: I tested the non-dimming ballast but now that I look at those numbers, I think they are incorrect. Looking at my chart of electrical use, the Iwaki 100 uses 3.07 amps and 353 watts while the IC 660 ballast uses 3.41 amps and is listed as only 251 watts. I think I need to borrow your Kill-a-watt meter again.

Even if it was a typo and should have been 351 watts, that's still not right. Hmm.

Joseph

whodah · 08/04/2005, 12:35 PM

notta problem on borrowing the kill-a-watt. i'll put it in my car so next time we meet, it's there! now remembering to put it in my car however...

one thing to remember is that:
wattage = current * voltage

now i think the IC and iwaki are both running at 120V... but if one of those is kicking down the voltage (transformer), that could explain the difference in wattage even though the current looks close...

whodah · 08/04/2005, 12:40 PM

hrm... u know what, i disagree w/ myself on that above statement... heh!

upon further thought, the kill-a-watt has to be measuring the AC voltage... i.e. if you plug in a 12V 100mA AC transformer into it or whatever, the kill-a-watt would still read 120V AC... (i think, ha!)

hrm. i think i confused myself, nevermind! LOL!

Yose · 08/04/2005, 03:50 PM

Kilowatt (Watt) is a measure of power consumed, not voltage or Current

Here's the formula... P=I X E

P (Power in watts) = I (Current (milli-Amps/Amps)) X(times) E (Electromotive Force i.e. Voltage)

weatherson · 08/07/2005, 10:27 PM

The Cowry showed itself today after a several month hiatus. I managed to get a couple shots with its mantel receded showing its shell. Here's a shot from a distance followed by a close-up.

Joseph

melev · 08/08/2005, 12:48 AM

Sweeeeeeeeet! I was looking forward to that. Since you've had it, you've never posted anything negative about it. Makes me want to get a Tiger Cowrie again.

What size would you say it is now? 2.5"?

weatherson · 08/08/2005, 01:47 AM

Marc: It's probably all of 2" as seen. A bit larger when on the move and its mantel out and covering its shell. Here's a refresher shot from when I captured him on the move and in full glory.

Joseph

weatherson · 08/08/2005, 10:20 PM

I was able to get a slightly better shot of the cowry with the macro lens. Here it is:

Here's a shot of a newly added clam:

A night shot of someone just hanging out.

A new to my tank acanthastrea:

And last of all, a peek-a-boo shot taken at night also:

Joseph

melev · 08/08/2005, 10:38 PM

Great stuff. An acan, eh?

Any guesses why your cowrie isn't covering itself with the branchy membrane now? I used to put my tiger cowrie on a full leaf of romaine lettuce and it would devour the whole thing that day.

weatherson · 08/08/2005, 11:36 PM

Marc:

Quote:

An acan, eh?

Yep, I won this at our last club meeting.

The Cowry was seen today with its tissue covering the shell so I would say... I have no clue.

Joseph

Knyght · 08/09/2005, 10:14 AM

Nice shots, *but we have come to expect that now haven`t we

*. In fact your shots have inspired me to try and take better pics

This is a great "Hang in there Baby!"

weatherson · 08/09/2005, 04:27 PM

I re-tested the power consumption of one of my IceCap 660 VHO electronic ballasts. The one I tested was the either on or off, non-dimmed unit. The results were very close to the original tests I did some time ago. Here is what the Kill-A-Watt device borrowed (thanks Whodah) came up with this time.

Volts = 116
Amps = 3.68
Watts = 256
Volt Amps = 424 [described as the "apparent Power". (VA=Vrms Arms) in the Kill-A-Watt owners manual]

VA aside, the ballast was pulling only 256 watts, considerably less than your readings, Whodah. Did you by chance use the VA instead of Watts?

Joseph

whodah · 08/09/2005, 04:35 PM

it's possible...

can i borrow the kill-a-watt from you?

07/30/2005, 05:35 PM	#302
RGibson RGibson Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,377	That would help a lot,Thank you Joseph __________________ RGibson

07/30/2005, 10:32 PM	#303
original-reefland Reefer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: New York Posts: 2,177	I just tested my 6100 with a kill-a-watt. At idle was 0.07 amp / 02 watt. On cycle was 0.28 amp / 24 watt. It did not change over its cycle which I thought it would change as it sped up. This is the program I'm running in my controller: __________________ Rich Durso Visit My Chunk of the Ocean, click the Red House above. Current Tank Info: 180G Oceanic SPS/Clams/LPS, AB Aquaspace Light 3x250w AB 14K HQI with 4x24w PC Actinic, 2x80w T5, Dual Tunze 6100 and Vortec (10,000 GPH), Euro Reef RC-500 Skimmer.

07/31/2005, 09:14 PM	#305
original-reefland Reefer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: New York Posts: 2,177	It would be nice if someone could confirm numbers. The numbers I saw were lower than I expected as it is rated 45 watts. __________________ Rich Durso Visit My Chunk of the Ocean, click the Red House above. Current Tank Info: 180G Oceanic SPS/Clams/LPS, AB Aquaspace Light 3x250w AB 14K HQI with 4x24w PC Actinic, 2x80w T5, Dual Tunze 6100 and Vortec (10,000 GPH), Euro Reef RC-500 Skimmer.

08/03/2005, 08:21 PM	#307
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	heya! sorry bout that... forgot to do the task the first time joe mentioned! okie dokie... kill-a-watt vs. tunze 6100 going through a tunze 7094 multicontroller.... i forced the multicontroller into 'night time mode' so it would not oscilate any. then i ramped up the 'low' setting on the mulicontroller from min to max and here is what i got: 30% setting on multicontroller* = 6-12W 40% = 19W 65% = 27W 80% = 33W 100%* = 40W * the minimum setting on the 7094 multicontroller at this setting - my tunze 6100 'chirped' VERY slightly. just enough to sound the piezo. (which means it was 'stopping or stuck' and would ramp from 6-12W.) i could hear the sound of the 6100 struggling to stay on. it was trying to turn on and off. * the maximum setting on the 7094 multicontroller incidently, i hooked it up to my icecap 660 which is currently firing mixed bulbs: 2 x 54W T5's 2 x 110W VHO and the kill-a-watt read 304W HTH! __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)

08/04/2005, 04:16 AM	#309
RGibson RGibson Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,377	Joseph and Whodah thank you for the help Ralph __________________ RGibson

07/30/2005, 04:49 PM	#301
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	Nathan: Thank you, sir. RGibson: I don't know of the 6200 but a fellow club mate has 6100's and a Kill-a-watt so I'll try and get that for you if you are interested. Joseph

07/31/2005, 02:39 PM	#304
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	Well, there you go. Thanks Rich. Joseph

08/01/2005, 01:53 PM	#306
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	I asked my friend again so it should be posted shortly. Joseph

08/04/2005, 12:18 AM	#308
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	Thanks Whodah. Interesting on the IC660 as mine run at 251-watts with four 110-watt VHO's. Those T5's suck more power? Joseph

08/04/2005, 11:38 AM	#310
JVHam Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 860	THe icecap 660 will overdrive the bulbs a lot. My 39watt T5s run at 60 watts a piece and have been running for 6 months with no obvious color shift. THey also run a lot hotter. I have a Kill a Watt and my 6 lamps use 318 watts? I have a tunze 6000 and a multi coming on Monday so I am interested to see the difference between the 6000 and 6100.

08/04/2005, 11:46 AM	#311
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	hrm... well.... 2 x 110W VHO + 2 x 54W T5 = 328W total and of course: 4 x 110W VHO = 440W total but your's is only doing 251W eh? was your dimmer on during the measurement by chance? __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)

08/04/2005, 11:47 AM	#312
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	RGibson: np btw! __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)

08/04/2005, 12:06 PM	#313
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	Whodah: I tested the non-dimming ballast but now that I look at those numbers, I think they are incorrect. Looking at my chart of electrical use, the Iwaki 100 uses 3.07 amps and 353 watts while the IC 660 ballast uses 3.41 amps and is listed as only 251 watts. I think I need to borrow your Kill-a-watt meter again. Even if it was a typo and should have been 351 watts, that's still not right. Hmm. Joseph

08/04/2005, 12:35 PM	#314
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	notta problem on borrowing the kill-a-watt. i'll put it in my car so next time we meet, it's there! now remembering to put it in my car however... one thing to remember is that: wattage = current * voltage now i think the IC and iwaki are both running at 120V... but if one of those is kicking down the voltage (transformer), that could explain the difference in wattage even though the current looks close... __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)

08/04/2005, 12:40 PM	#315
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	hrm... u know what, i disagree w/ myself on that above statement... heh! upon further thought, the kill-a-watt has to be measuring the AC voltage... i.e. if you plug in a 12V 100mA AC transformer into it or whatever, the kill-a-watt would still read 120V AC... (i think, ha!) hrm. i think i confused myself, nevermind! LOL! __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)

08/04/2005, 03:50 PM	#316
Yose Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reading, Pennsylvania Posts: 651	Kilowatt (Watt) is a measure of power consumed, not voltage or Current Here's the formula... P=I X E P (Power in watts) = I (Current (milli-Amps/Amps)) X(times) E (Electromotive Force i.e. Voltage) __________________ Yose Current Tank Info: Marineland 300DD - Deltec - 1200W SBReef Lights Last edited by Yose; 08/04/2005 at 04:03 PM.

08/07/2005, 10:27 PM	#317
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	The Cowry showed itself today after a several month hiatus. I managed to get a couple shots with its mantel receded showing its shell. Here's a shot from a distance followed by a close-up. Joseph

08/08/2005, 12:48 AM	#318
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Sweeeeeeeeet! I was looking forward to that. Since you've had it, you've never posted anything negative about it. Makes me want to get a Tiger Cowrie again. What size would you say it is now? 2.5"?

08/08/2005, 01:47 AM	#319
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	Marc: It's probably all of 2" as seen. A bit larger when on the move and its mantel out and covering its shell. Here's a refresher shot from when I captured him on the move and in full glory. Joseph

08/08/2005, 10:20 PM	#320
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	I was able to get a slightly better shot of the cowry with the macro lens. Here it is: Here's a shot of a newly added clam: A night shot of someone just hanging out. A new to my tank acanthastrea: And last of all, a peek-a-boo shot taken at night also: Joseph

08/08/2005, 10:38 PM	#321
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Great stuff. An acan, eh? Any guesses why your cowrie isn't covering itself with the branchy membrane now? I used to put my tiger cowrie on a full leaf of romaine lettuce and it would devour the whole thing that day.

08/09/2005, 10:14 AM	#323
Knyght Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,536	Nice shots, but we have come to expect that now haven`t we . In fact your shots have inspired me to try and take better pics This is a great "Hang in there Baby!" __________________ Life is Tough, But It's Tougher if You're Stupid --John Wayne Freedom is Flying Go Spurs!!!!!!!!!

08/09/2005, 04:27 PM	#324
weatherson Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,022	I re-tested the power consumption of one of my IceCap 660 VHO electronic ballasts. The one I tested was the either on or off, non-dimmed unit. The results were very close to the original tests I did some time ago. Here is what the Kill-A-Watt device borrowed (thanks Whodah) came up with this time. Volts = 116 Amps = 3.68 Watts = 256 Volt Amps = 424 [described as the "apparent Power". (VA=Vrms Arms) in the Kill-A-Watt owners manual] VA aside, the ballast was pulling only 256 watts, considerably less than your readings, Whodah. Did you by chance use the VA instead of Watts? Joseph

08/09/2005, 04:35 PM	#325
whodah Who Dah? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fresno, ca, usa, earth! Posts: 1,185	it's possible... can i borrow the kill-a-watt from you? __________________ "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." Current Tank Info: oodles. they change too often to list :o)