Let's Count the Broken RIOs - Page 14

Ah64av8tor · 09/08/2005, 12:19 AM

rio = 3/3 including 1 electrocution, 1 meltdown (killed 75g) and 1 fire, (burnt up the wire and killed Icecap M660 and smoaked out the hood) never again!

MJ1200 = 1/10 it was 10 years old

SPasse · 09/10/2005, 08:31 AM

DrMilhouse,

Personally, I would not buy another RIO pump.

The pumps that actually failed for me were purchased at the same time so I had not previous experience with them.

The 2500 that I did the postmortem on was sent to me by a person who had their tank wiped out by it.

It was so burnt that I have no doubt that it would have been an issue for any system that it had been part of.

But as an electrical hardware engineer, I would probably take a look at a current production run example and try to determine if the previously identified issues had been rectified.

Regards,

Scott

DgenR8 · 09/10/2005, 09:05 AM

About 6 months ago, I bought a SEIO. I did add it to my tank, and to date, it's running fine. I occasionally unplug it, just to see if it starts back up after being off for a few minutes. It has not failed yet. It does appear that an improvement has been made in the new line of RIO pumps.

midnightmadman · 09/17/2005, 09:34 PM

Are the majority of the meltdowns with the Rio Aqua pump or the Rio Hyperflo???
In any case what is an equvilant pump that I can use to replace a hyperflow 10HF for my Excalibur skimmer?

exoticaquatix · 09/20/2005, 06:15 PM

well, ive had 3 rios for about 7-8 years and only one developed a hole in the "potting" stuff sround the windings. it was a pond model 2500 or something. i only noticed this after i tore down my 65 about 5 years ago. my old boss seemed to like them, maybe cause he was a cheap a**. im using the other 2 one is a 2500 and the other a 3100. both are fine, not all that great but already payed for.

i have had 3 maxi jets for even longer. 2 of them need new impellars and the other one is in my buddies reef, just remembered that. they work fine otherwise. i had a penguin a while back and the impellar rusted so bad i couldnt pull it out. so that equals.....
rio 1 of 3 dead
maxi 2 good 1 stolen
penguin 1 of 1 dead

exoticaquatix · 09/20/2005, 06:24 PM

oh, and i have a seio 620 that i am very happy with. i will be buying another only an 820 the next time.

Polyptician · 09/20/2005, 06:53 PM

3 rios

NorthernCF · 09/20/2005, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BryanBusza
3 rios

And how many were good for how long?

sourmug76 · 09/20/2005, 11:18 PM

I purchased a Rio+ 1400 a month ago, before I found this thread. Right now it is just running a skimmer on some live rock that I am curing. After looking at a lot of the Rios, I noticed that they only had a few models that were UL listed. Most of them aren't and my LFS says that TAAM never sends there pump through testing. Are they right? I am already looking for a replacement just to be safe. I was wondering how many of the pumps that failed were UL listed? If the chance of massive failure less with my pump being one of the UL models?

NorthernCF · 09/21/2005, 06:17 AM

Thats what this thread is about. Informing our fellow reefers. You need to make that decision yourself.
I personally have been shocked AKA electrocuted. IMO keeping a pump around to save the origional purchace + say 100 bucks for a new one, is not worth being shocked. I did buy a electrical ground probe for the fish tank (before I knew other brands wouldn't likely shock me). Even then, how much does the shocks effect the tank friends? Perhaps that is not a concern, I don't understand electricity well. But, I do know pain!

jkaroll · 09/21/2005, 08:30 AM

2 Rio's burned up in my reef. Killed All my chromis and shrimp. This happened in 2 seperate incidences. NEVER AGAIN!!! will i use a rio pump for anything!!!

Steven Pro · 09/21/2005, 08:32 AM

I have had about a half dozen or more simply fail to operate anymore after about one to two years of use and I had one of the smaller ones that comes with a Bak-Pak (600 or 800 I believe) give me a jolt of electricity. That was the last straw. I replaced all the Rio's I have in my accounts with comparable Mag-Drives or Maxi-Jets.

midnightmadman · 09/21/2005, 08:57 AM

Once again... is ANYONE talking about the Hyperflow pumps?

Ah64av8tor · 09/21/2005, 09:10 AM

Has anyone come up with a total from this thread?

midnightmadman · 09/21/2005, 09:16 AM

The total must some how be figured out and divded between the old style pumps and the hyperflows... There is a major difference.

Ah64av8tor · 09/21/2005, 09:45 AM

TA-
IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure that there is a difference between the two, but they are a day late and a few hundred dollars short.
I think the Seio line has promise but my money will go to Tunze even at 3 times the price.
I have lost too much livestock, equipment and suffered bodily harm from their dangerous pumps.
I would not take a case of them for free not even if I could make a few hundred dollars back off them.
If Taam was serious about any thing except making money they would have fixed the problems when they first started and would have a forum here on RC.

I will NEVER buy another Taam product!
Greg

midnightmadman · 09/21/2005, 09:52 AM

What is causing the problem?

floridareefs · 09/21/2005, 02:24 PM

I've used just about only rio pumps with no problems at all, I have the 1700, 2100 and the 2500 running right now, all for about 2-4 years. A regular cleaning is the keyto long life. My good freind owns a lfs and there are a variety of pumps, including the seio and mag drives that trun up bad. I hear on the site about bad rios, the electical parts and the sludge matters, but hey I will plug rio here. No problems so far and none at the lfs with about 30 plus running.

Jolio99 · 09/21/2005, 03:05 PM

Rios suck. Had one on a protien skimmer that almost caught on fire! Never again.

floridareefs · 09/21/2005, 03:30 PM

guess some people think that. I dont work for rio, but just from my experience they work perfect for me.

FEEDERFISH · 09/21/2005, 03:52 PM

I have:
(4) Rio 1700's
(2) Rio 2100 +'s
(1) Rio 3100
(1) Rio 20HF
I Clean my Rio's frequently and have never had a problem (3) of my 1700's are over 2yrs old, all others are just under 1yr old, I have never had a problem I know some of them are the UL editions I couldn't tell you which ones at the moment, but the UL pumps have the ground (3-Prong plug)
They are a cheap price and reliable for me, I never worry about my pumps melting or starting on fire like i have read so many other times here on RC, I guess when i see the problem first hand I will think twice and look into different pumps

DgenR8 · 09/21/2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FEEDERFISH
I guess when i see the problem first hand I will think twice and look into different pumps

The problem is that by the time you see it first hand, you may have already taken a huge loss. You do what you are comfortable with, but understand that a pump meltdown could be catastrophic.

melev · 09/21/2005, 04:36 PM

Exactly. If you have a 2100 or 2500, you have a ticking time bomb in your hands. Listen, I've read enough horror stories both here and on rec.aquaria.marine.reefs that I don't have to wait to see it happen to my tank. I only use those Rio pumps to mix my saltwater. If it explodes and nukes in that resevoir, I'm only out 55g of saltwater. If it was in my system, I'd be out all of my livestock.

Use it where it won't cause harm, or toss it.

Dholmblad · 09/21/2005, 04:43 PM

My tank is full of rios and never had one fail.

The Grim Reefer · 09/21/2005, 04:57 PM

I had a Rio Hyperflow lock up for about 6 hours after a fast power outtage. The thing didn't even get hot. I wouldn't think twice about using them on skimmers and such, in fact I do but I'll stick to mags for return pumps. Too many little power outtages here to take a chance.

09/08/2005, 12:19 AM	#326
Ah64av8tor Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Bradenton Fl. Posts: 2,362	rio = 3/3 including 1 electrocution, 1 meltdown (killed 75g) and 1 fire, (burnt up the wire and killed Icecap M660 and smoaked out the hood) never again! MJ1200 = 1/10 it was 10 years old __________________ Greg Fish geek <')))>< Current Tank Info: Old School Reefer: Building a new 225 from the old 150 gal SPS main display, 125 gal sump W/ 10 year old Plenum, 40 gal miracle mud refugium, Reeflow 250 Skimmer, Korallin C3002 Calcium Reactor W/ 30’secondary chamber, 2 Ice cap 250w MH SE W/ AquaC

09/10/2005, 08:31 AM	#327
SPasse PM - 30 & Over Club Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Forney, Texas USA Posts: 1,350	DrMilhouse, Personally, I would not buy another RIO pump. The pumps that actually failed for me were purchased at the same time so I had not previous experience with them. The 2500 that I did the postmortem on was sent to me by a person who had their tank wiped out by it. It was so burnt that I have no doubt that it would have been an issue for any system that it had been part of. But as an electrical hardware engineer, I would probably take a look at a current production run example and try to determine if the previously identified issues had been rectified. Regards, Scott __________________ Scott ------ Founding Member – Colorado Rocky Mountain Reef Club. Current Tank Info: http://www.sdpasse.net/index_files/Page585.htm

09/10/2005, 09:05 AM	#328
DgenR8 I'm an American and I remember Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 43,992	About 6 months ago, I bought a SEIO. I did add it to my tank, and to date, it's running fine. I occasionally unplug it, just to see if it starts back up after being off for a few minutes. It has not failed yet. It does appear that an improvement has been made in the new line of RIO pumps. __________________ “I wish there was a way to know that you were IN the good old days, before leaving them.” ~Andy Bernard Regional Manager, Scranton branch Dunder Mifflin Current Tank Info: Unknown slow drip, over 20 years damaged my house and heating system. No more tank.

09/20/2005, 06:15 PM	#330
exoticaquatix Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: baltimore, MD Posts: 536	well, ive had 3 rios for about 7-8 years and only one developed a hole in the "potting" stuff sround the windings. it was a pond model 2500 or something. i only noticed this after i tore down my 65 about 5 years ago. my old boss seemed to like them, maybe cause he was a cheap a**. im using the other 2 one is a 2500 and the other a 3100. both are fine, not all that great but already payed for. i have had 3 maxi jets for even longer. 2 of them need new impellars and the other one is in my buddies reef, just remembered that. they work fine otherwise. i had a penguin a while back and the impellar rusted so bad i couldnt pull it out. so that equals..... rio 1 of 3 dead maxi 2 good 1 stolen penguin 1 of 1 dead __________________ This dude either has two glass eyes or he's wearing his patch on the wrong sa-sa-sa-side. -Aesop Current Tank Info: 120gal 500w MH 10K XMs 30g sump, MSX-200 skimmer, vortech MP40w and Tunze nanostreams; 9 gal, 29gal FW planted tanks

09/20/2005, 06:24 PM	#331
exoticaquatix Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: baltimore, MD Posts: 536	oh, and i have a seio 620 that i am very happy with. i will be buying another only an 820 the next time. __________________ This dude either has two glass eyes or he's wearing his patch on the wrong sa-sa-sa-side. -Aesop Current Tank Info: 120gal 500w MH 10K XMs 30g sump, MSX-200 skimmer, vortech MP40w and Tunze nanostreams; 9 gal, 29gal FW planted tanks

09/17/2005, 09:34 PM	#329
midnightmadman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 223	Are the majority of the meltdowns with the Rio Aqua pump or the Rio Hyperflo??? In any case what is an equvilant pump that I can use to replace a hyperflow 10HF for my Excalibur skimmer?

09/20/2005, 06:53 PM	#332
Polyptician Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PA Posts: 306	3 rios

09/20/2005, 11:18 PM	#334
sourmug76 Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 55	I purchased a Rio+ 1400 a month ago, before I found this thread. Right now it is just running a skimmer on some live rock that I am curing. After looking at a lot of the Rios, I noticed that they only had a few models that were UL listed. Most of them aren't and my LFS says that TAAM never sends there pump through testing. Are they right? I am already looking for a replacement just to be safe. I was wondering how many of the pumps that failed were UL listed? If the chance of massive failure less with my pump being one of the UL models? __________________ -Manny Current Tank Info: 120 Gallon, 30 Gallon Fuge, Starting over.....

09/21/2005, 06:17 AM	#335
NorthernCF Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 652	Thats what this thread is about. Informing our fellow reefers. You need to make that decision yourself. I personally have been shocked AKA electrocuted. IMO keeping a pump around to save the origional purchace + say 100 bucks for a new one, is not worth being shocked. I did buy a electrical ground probe for the fish tank (before I knew other brands wouldn't likely shock me). Even then, how much does the shocks effect the tank friends? Perhaps that is not a concern, I don't understand electricity well. But, I do know pain!

09/21/2005, 08:30 AM	#336
jkaroll Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago,IL Posts: 21	2 Rio's burned up in my reef. Killed All my chromis and shrimp. This happened in 2 seperate incidences. NEVER AGAIN!!! will i use a rio pump for anything!!!

09/21/2005, 08:32 AM	#337
Steven Pro Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 9,376	I have had about a half dozen or more simply fail to operate anymore after about one to two years of use and I had one of the smaller ones that comes with a Bak-Pak (600 or 800 I believe) give me a jolt of electricity. That was the last straw. I replaced all the Rio's I have in my accounts with comparable Mag-Drives or Maxi-Jets. __________________ Steven Pro, yep that is my real name. Current Tank Info: Twelve 600 gallon tubs located in a greenhouse

09/21/2005, 08:57 AM	#338
midnightmadman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 223	Once again... is ANYONE talking about the Hyperflow pumps?

09/21/2005, 09:10 AM	#339
Ah64av8tor Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Bradenton Fl. Posts: 2,362	Has anyone come up with a total from this thread? __________________ Greg Fish geek <')))>< Current Tank Info: Old School Reefer: Building a new 225 from the old 150 gal SPS main display, 125 gal sump W/ 10 year old Plenum, 40 gal miracle mud refugium, Reeflow 250 Skimmer, Korallin C3002 Calcium Reactor W/ 30’secondary chamber, 2 Ice cap 250w MH SE W/ AquaC

09/21/2005, 09:16 AM	#340
midnightmadman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 223	The total must some how be figured out and divded between the old style pumps and the hyperflows... There is a major difference.

09/21/2005, 09:45 AM	#341
Ah64av8tor Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Bradenton Fl. Posts: 2,362	TA- IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure that there is a difference between the two, but they are a day late and a few hundred dollars short. I think the Seio line has promise but my money will go to Tunze even at 3 times the price. I have lost too much livestock, equipment and suffered bodily harm from their dangerous pumps. I would not take a case of them for free not even if I could make a few hundred dollars back off them. If Taam was serious about any thing except making money they would have fixed the problems when they first started and would have a forum here on RC. I will NEVER buy another Taam product! Greg __________________ Greg Fish geek <')))>< Current Tank Info: Old School Reefer: Building a new 225 from the old 150 gal SPS main display, 125 gal sump W/ 10 year old Plenum, 40 gal miracle mud refugium, Reeflow 250 Skimmer, Korallin C3002 Calcium Reactor W/ 30’secondary chamber, 2 Ice cap 250w MH SE W/ AquaC

09/21/2005, 09:52 AM	#342
midnightmadman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 223	What is causing the problem?

09/21/2005, 02:24 PM	#343
floridareefs Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: OUt there Posts: 1,165	I've used just about only rio pumps with no problems at all, I have the 1700, 2100 and the 2500 running right now, all for about 2-4 years. A regular cleaning is the keyto long life. My good freind owns a lfs and there are a variety of pumps, including the seio and mag drives that trun up bad. I hear on the site about bad rios, the electical parts and the sludge matters, but hey I will plug rio here. No problems so far and none at the lfs with about 30 plus running.

09/21/2005, 03:05 PM	#344
Jolio99 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 143	Rios suck. Had one on a protien skimmer that almost caught on fire! Never again.

09/21/2005, 03:30 PM	#345
floridareefs Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: OUt there Posts: 1,165	guess some people think that. I dont work for rio, but just from my experience they work perfect for me.

09/21/2005, 03:52 PM	#346
FEEDERFISH Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Waupun, Wisconsin Posts: 1,060	I have: (4) Rio 1700's (2) Rio 2100 +'s (1) Rio 3100 (1) Rio 20HF I Clean my Rio's frequently and have never had a problem (3) of my 1700's are over 2yrs old, all others are just under 1yr old, I have never had a problem I know some of them are the UL editions I couldn't tell you which ones at the moment, but the UL pumps have the ground (3-Prong plug) They are a cheap price and reliable for me, I never worry about my pumps melting or starting on fire like i have read so many other times here on RC, I guess when i see the problem first hand I will think twice and look into different pumps __________________ --Roads?..... Where were going...... We don't need.......Roads --Doc. Brown Current Tank Info: Custom AO 30 Gal Starphire Display , 2x150DE Hamilton Reefstar - Reeflux 12k / XM 15K, IceCap 430 24" T5-UVL Super Actinic, Aqua C EV-180 w/ Mag 9.5, Closed Loop on a Panworld 40px, Return Mag 12

09/21/2005, 04:36 PM	#348
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Exactly. If you have a 2100 or 2500, you have a ticking time bomb in your hands. Listen, I've read enough horror stories both here and on rec.aquaria.marine.reefs that I don't have to wait to see it happen to my tank. I only use those Rio pumps to mix my saltwater. If it explodes and nukes in that resevoir, I'm only out 55g of saltwater. If it was in my system, I'd be out all of my livestock. Use it where it won't cause harm, or toss it.

09/21/2005, 04:43 PM	#349
Dholmblad Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern va Posts: 563	My tank is full of rios and never had one fail.

09/21/2005, 04:57 PM	#350
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	I had a Rio Hyperflow lock up for about 6 hours after a fast power outtage. The thing didn't even get hot. I wouldn't think twice about using them on skimmers and such, in fact I do but I'll stick to mags for return pumps. Too many little power outtages here to take a chance. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting