The T5 Q&a Thread - split - Page 186

Av8bluewater · 02/06/2014, 02:45 PM

Ok, I'm thinking about trying some different bulbs and LED strip.
Currently:
B+
C+
B+
P+
C+
Actinic
B+
B+

Dusk/D is B+ and Actinic.
Current setup gives me a very crisp white with all bulbs on and a little color pop.
Dusk/D is a little too blue for my pink red corals. Maybe put the P+ instead of actinic and have actinic from LED strip?

I haven't played around with combos much as this is my first T5 and I've only had it since Oct.
I did buy an extra Giesman actinic and it seems slightly whiter than the ATI actinic. Not much of a big difference.

I am thinking about replacing the Actinic with another P+ and a B+ with a daylight. The RC user Yariel uses two Purple plus and has some fantastic reds and pinks. I want to have a Reefbrite or Build my LED actinic strip mounted on the side of the Sunpower.

So what do you guys think this combo would be like:

BuildmyLED actinic strip which has some 405nm LEDs for extra pop 450nm and 470nm. Mounted on front.
B+
C+
B+
P+
C+
P+
B+
B+ or another daylight.

Also I may buy a few different bulbs just to compare. I may buy a Fiji Purple just because I'm curious if I'll be able to tell any difference since it is suppose to have a little more red. I may try a GE6500 too.

Dapg8gt · 02/07/2014, 01:19 AM

Is there a trick to removing the bulbs in the powermodule vs the sunpower? It's a serious hassle to remove the bulbs on my powermodule I miss the ease of the sunpower =(.

Update ; swapped out 2 B+ for Actinic and it gave me a decent drop in par I'm at about 450 now at the highest point and about 350 dead center of the tank so I think this may work for my bleaching issues. I think the 6 B+ and 2 C+ is just too much for my tank. Color temperature did change a little I'll give it a bit to settle in before I change anything =). Now it's hurry up and wait for my coral to darken back up .. If they do lol..

SlavicSavage · 02/07/2014, 03:00 AM

I could use some bulb recommendations. I have two workhorse ballasts I am going to use to run 6 24" T5s and then maybe throw some LED strips in there as well. I am looking for something thats pretty white, like a 10 or 12k when all the bulbs are on, and then lots popping colors during the dawn/dusk effect.

I have mostly LPS with a few SPS that are less than 8" below the surface of the water. Tank dimensions are 30x30x24

Thanks

TropTrea · 02/07/2014, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlavicSavage

I could use some bulb recommendations. I have two workhorse ballasts I am going to use to run 6 24" T5s and then maybe throw some LED strips in there as well. I am looking for something thats pretty white, like a 10 or 12k when all the bulbs are on, and then lots popping colors during the dawn/dusk effect.

I have mostly LPS with a few SPS that are less than 8" below the surface of the water. Tank dimensions are 30x30x24

Thanks

On a LED/ T-5 combo I like to go either of two different ways depending on the ratio of LED's to T-5's.

With running 6 T-5's you do not need a lot of LED lighting. A single strip of mainly Blues and some near UV lights looks great in the dawn to dusk mode. You do not want any White LED's here. Then you can have phase 2 of your lighting with a pair of ATI Blue Plus bulbs brightening the tank just a little. Bow since you say you want a 10 to 12K look for daylight use a GE-6,500K with a pair of Purple Plus and one more Blue Plus bulbs. This is about as white as you can go and still produce a good balance for your corals.

My prefered method is with only 2 T-5 bulbs. Again I start off with the LED lighting of mainly blues and UV's. Then bring in the pair of ATI Blue plus to brighten it up. Finally for mid day add the rest of the LED's Which I like to sit around a 50/50 mix between neutral whites and Blue LED's.

Not knowing your tank size I will say if your running 39 watt T-5's then you want about 20 watts for the initial LED's, if your running 54 watt bulbs than about 60 watts of initial LED's. With the 2 bulb combination of T-5's the midday bright LEDs should be equal to or slightly more than the total wattage of the the T-5's for 54 watt T-5's bulbs I like 120 Watts of LED's for 39 Watt T-5 bulbs I like about 90 Watts of midday LED's.

TropTrea · 02/07/2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8bluewater

BuildmyLED actinic strip which has some 405nm LEDs for extra pop 450nm and 470nm. Mounted on front.
B+
C+
B+
P+
C+
P+
B+
B+ or another daylight.

Also I may buy a few different bulbs just to compare. I may buy a Fiji Purple just because I'm curious if I'll be able to tell any difference since it is suppose to have a little more red. I may try a GE6500 too.

Personal opinion would be too blue for for my personal choice when you get to daylight. But color is an individual thing.

I tried different Buddy combos and with the T-5's what I recommend is
2 405nm
2 505nm
4 470nm
7 450nm
This will make the Florescence pop unbelievably for a dawn to dusk effect.

Then for your T-5's Run 1 GE and 2 Purples with the rest being Blue Plus. If that is to white for you then try 3 coral plus with the rest Blue Plus.

h0bite · 02/08/2014, 03:51 PM

I just purchase a ATI 10x80w. My tank is in construction now. The dimension will be 66x30x24. What the best combinaison of tubes for a 10 unites fixture?
I will only use ATI tubes.
I was thinking about

Front
Blue+ I dont know if the actinic is very important in the combinaison
Coral+ But I still put one. Give me your opinion
Blue+
Coral+
Purple+
Blue+
Actinic
Blue+
Coral+
Blue+
Back

badger126 · 02/08/2014, 04:00 PM

I've always used the grim recommended combo for my nova t5 fixture -
4xati blue plus
1x ati purple plus
1x ge6500k

the seller I'm about to order bulbs from doesn't carry the ge - what bulb would you guys recommend for a replacement? wouldnt mind a little more blue but I don't want to lose the yellows/reds that the ge gives!

bwrag · 02/08/2014, 08:52 PM

I have a ati 6x54. I ordered some bulbs tell me what you think

Front
Blue+
Uv
Blue+
Coral +
Purple+
Blue +

I also got a 14k build my led strip I can add to it

TropTrea · 02/09/2014, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwrag

I have a ati 6x54. I ordered some bulbs tell me what you think

Front
Blue+
Uv
Blue+
Coral +
Purple+
Blue +

I also got a 14k build my led strip I can add to it

You only have one full spectrum bulb and that is only 1/3 full spectrum, 1/3 blue, and 1/3 purple. So for my color taste I would expect it to way to blue. But color taste is a personal thing and some people will like this combination.

As far as your corals are concerned they should have no issues with this combo.

TropTrea · 02/09/2014, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger126

I've always used the grim recommended combo for my nova t5 fixture -
4xati blue plus
1x ati purple plus
1x ge6500k

the seller I'm about to order bulbs from doesn't carry the ge - what bulb would you guys recommend for a replacement? wouldnt mind a little more blue but I don't want to lose the yellows/reds that the ge gives!

Phillips also makes a 6,500K bulb. There are also several manufacturers that make 10,000K bulbs which will be a little more expensive and be slightly bluer, but most people cannot notice the difference in color between a 10,000K and 6,500 K. Also be aware that intensity is not the same for all brands bulbs and the ge is one of the brightest available in the 6,500K to 10,000K range.

SlavicSavage · 02/09/2014, 03:45 AM

TropTrea, I havent bought any of LEDs yet. What would you go with for LEDs based on your two recommendations? I kind of like the thought of doing more LEDs and less T5s instead of using the T5s as the primary light. Maybe they would be better as the supplement....

Also, my tank is a marineland 70 "cube" 30x30x22" i think? Not positive on the height, might be 24"

CW from the OC · 02/09/2014, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger126

I've always used the grim recommended combo for my nova t5 fixture -
4xati blue plus
1x ati purple plus
1x ge6500k

the seller I'm about to order bulbs from doesn't carry the ge - what bulb would you guys recommend for a replacement? wouldnt mind a little more blue but I don't want to lose the yellows/reds that the ge gives!

Giesemann 6k

cpllongjk · 02/09/2014, 11:20 AM

Need advice on bulb placement.

Front
ReefBrite XHO All Blue
Blue+
GE6500K
Purple+
Blue+
Coral+
Blue+
(Plans for adding another ReefBrite XHO All blue in a month or two)

Situation:

1. I use the Reefbrites for dusk/dawn as well as moonlights with the dimming unit. Bulbs 2 and 5 are used as midday for the extra punch and growth factor.

2. The reefbrites, 3 blue+, and 1 purple+ are on for 8 hours a day. The midday (ge6500k and coral+) are on for 4 hours a day.

3. I am in love with the lighting when everything is up and running. However, I am not happy with the color when the reefbrite, 3 blue+, and purple+ is on. It feels very blue and washed out.

4. I've tried moving the bulbs around but whenever I do, I can get one color right but then another one is off. For example I moved the coral+ and traded a blue+ and it threw off my full intensity coloration but my 4 bulbs were fine.

Any suggestions you have would be awesome. I have some extra bulbs lying around to try as well. Overall, I am very happy with the color temperature given off when things are at full intensity so its hard to move things around.

This makes me regret not getting the dimmable sunpower.

TropTrea · 02/09/2014, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h0bite

I just purchase a ATI 10x80w. My tank is in construction now. The dimension will be 66x30x24. What the best combinaison of tubes for a 10 unites fixture?
I will only use ATI tubes.
I was thinking about

Front
Blue+ I dont know if the actinic is very important in the combinaison
Coral+ But I still put one. Give me your opinion
Blue+
Coral+
Purple+
Blue+
Actinic
Blue+
Coral+
Blue+
Back

Sorry I must have missed this post.

If you do not want to use the GE 6,500K's I would go with
2 Aqua Blue Special, 2 Purple Plus and the rest Blue Plus.
This should give you a good starting point. if it is too bright for you then change out an Aqua Blue for a Coral plus. If the Par turns out so high it is burning your corals, that is when I would personally consider Atinics.

TropTrea · 02/09/2014, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpllongjk

Need advice on bulb placement.

Situation:

1. I use the Reefbrites for dusk/dawn as well as moonlights with the dimming unit. Bulbs 2 and 5 are used as midday for the extra punch and growth factor.

2. The reefbrites, 3 blue+, and 1 purple+ are on for 8 hours a day. The midday (ge6500k and coral+) are on for 4 hours a day.

3. I am in love with the lighting when everything is up and running. However, I am not happy with the color when the reefbrite, 3 blue+, and purple+ is on. It feels very blue and washed out.

4. I've tried moving the bulbs around but whenever I do, I can get one color right but then another one is off. For example I moved the coral+ and traded a blue+ and it threw off my full intensity coloration but my 4 bulbs were fine.

Any suggestions you have would be awesome. I have some extra bulbs lying around to try as well. Overall, I am very happy with the color temperature given off when things are at full intensity so its hard to move things around.

This makes me regret not getting the dimmable sunpower.

You seem to be using a different approach than I use. I start with pre dawn pushing the UV and blue end of the spectrum then as I increase the lighting move it closer to full spectrum.

In your case the last two bulbs that would come on for mid day would be the GE and the Purple plus.

Try the switch and see how you like it. You can aways experiment more with the combination.

Av8bluewater · 02/09/2014, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h0bite

I just purchase a ATI 10x80w. My tank is in construction now. The dimension will be 66x30x24. What the best combinaison of tubes for a 10 unites fixture?
I will only use ATI tubes.
I was thinking about

Front
Blue+ I dont know if the actinic is very important in the combinaison
Coral+ But I still put one. Give me your opinion
Blue+
Coral+
Purple+
Blue+
Actinic
Blue+
Coral+
Blue+
Back

That's what I have but I have my actinic and one blue + for 12 hour.
I have the actinic on front.
I'm thinking about adding Actinic led strip to replace actinic T5 and play around with other combos.

Av8bluewater · 02/09/2014, 05:02 PM

Anyone have experience with the BuildMyLEd actinic strip vs. Reefbrite?
I see they both mount on the Sunpower about the same. Reefbrite to me looks like a cleaner strip and cheaper. The BMLed is coming out with a new strip soon that you can adjust individual leds. Or maybe groups I can't remember. Also it has some 405nm leds on the standard version. But it does cost more. Edit.. I guess the BML is cheaper than XHO reefbrite.

TropTrea · 02/09/2014, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8bluewater

Anyone have experience with the BuildMyLEd actinic strip vs. Reefbrite?
I see they both mount on the Sunpower about the same. Reefbrite to me looks like a cleaner strip and cheaper. The BMLed is coming out with a new strip soon that you can adjust individual leds. Or maybe groups I can't remember. Also it has some 405nm leds on the standard version. But it does cost more. Edit.. I guess the BML is cheaper than XHO reefbrite.

On the BuildMyLed I see a problem on the atinic end. They offer a 405nm led and and a 450nm led. These LEDs are narrow banded so you actually end up with little or no light between between 415nm and 440 nm. I believ if your adding Atinic light the 420nm is very important compared to some of the other wavelenghts.

If you build your own you can select LED's from various sources and have 454nm, 435nm, 420 nm and 405 nm leds. Unfortunately most of the 430nm leds are not the highest quality compared to other wave length available.

The other thing to remember is while the 405 to 420 nm LED's might look much dimmer than the 470nm LED's they are actually just as bright to the corals. It is the human eye that looses a considerable amount of its sensitivity to light the shorter the wave length is especially under 570nm.

dirtycontour · 02/10/2014, 11:18 AM

Hi guys, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a six bulb ATI Sunpower fixture for my standard 75 gallon. I'm looking for advice on bulbs and bulb placement.

I'm thinking:
(3) Blue +
(1) Purple +
(1) Aquablue Special
(1) GE 6500K

I'm going for a 12-14k look. I also have no idea what order to put the bulbs in the fixture.

rtparty · 02/10/2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtycontour

Hi guys, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a six bulb ATI Sunpower fixture for my standard 75 gallon. I'm looking for advice on bulbs and bulb placement.

I'm thinking:
(3) Blue +
(1) Purple +
(1) Aquablue Special
(1) GE 6500K

I'm going for a 12-14k look. I also have no idea what order to put the bulbs in the fixture.

That will be nearly 10k with the Aquablue and GE. For a good 14k look go with 3 Blue Plus and 3 Coral Plus.

Blue
Coral
Blue
Coral
Coral
Blue

I really liked 4 Blue Plus and 2 Coral Plus but that may be a little blue if you are looking closer to 12k.

dirtycontour · 02/10/2014, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtparty

That will be nearly 10k with the Aquablue and GE. For a good 14k look go with 3 Blue Plus and 3 Coral Plus.

Blue
Coral
Blue
Coral
Coral
Blue

I really liked 4 Blue Plus and 2 Coral Plus but that may be a little blue if you are looking closer to 12k.

I've been reading about purple+ being good for bringing out the red in coral. What do think about replacing one of the coral with a purple?

rtparty · 02/10/2014, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtycontour

I've been reading about purple+ being good for bringing out the red in coral. What do think about replacing one of the coral with a purple?

I really like the Purple Plus bulb. It just warms up the tank a little.

3 Blue, 2 Coral and 1 Purple looks pretty good but can be too pink for some.

dirtycontour · 02/10/2014, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtparty

I really like the Purple Plus bulb. It just warms up the tank a little.

3 Blue, 2 Coral and 1 Purple looks pretty good but can be too pink for some.

I'll give it a shot. Thank you for the help!

TropTrea · 02/10/2014, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtycontour

Hi guys, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a six bulb ATI Sunpower fixture for my standard 75 gallon. I'm looking for advice on bulbs and bulb placement.

I'm thinking:
(3) Blue +
(1) Purple +
(1) Aquablue Special
(1) GE 6500K

I'm going for a 12-14k look. I also have no idea what order to put the bulbs in the fixture.

The coral plus is a 15,000K bulb to start with. So even running all Coral plus would leave you with 15,000K. Adding any blue or purple to that would take it in the wring direction if you want to get to 12,000K.

The Aqua Blue also claims to be a 15,000K bulb but I think it is more of a 12,000K bulb. But again if you want a 12,000K to 14,000K it would only take a little blue light to kick you way out to that range into the 16,000K range.

The GE 6,500K is a 6,500K bulb. so now when you add more blue lighting your raising the K range. By therory a 50/50 split with this bulb should beiv you about 10,000K Ad a 2nd Blue and your at 12,000K and a third Blue you hitting 13,000K, so 4 Blues and a Purple with the GE 6,500K will put you real close to a true 14,000K

nexusnight · 02/10/2014, 03:06 PM

are ati actinics worth using on a 60" 8bulb combo? was thinking of using them on the dusk dawn setup but they seem very dim when all the other bulbs come on? i dont have my light yet may b here next week. sill trying to decide on bulbs, so far the reccomended combo was 5blueplus, purple and 2 coral plus

02/07/2014, 01:19 AM	#4627
Dapg8gt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pacifica Posts: 3,741	Is there a trick to removing the bulbs in the powermodule vs the sunpower? It's a serious hassle to remove the bulbs on my powermodule I miss the ease of the sunpower =(. Update ; swapped out 2 B+ for Actinic and it gave me a decent drop in par I'm at about 450 now at the highest point and about 350 dead center of the tank so I think this may work for my bleaching issues. I think the 6 B+ and 2 C+ is just too much for my tank. Color temperature did change a little I'll give it a bit to settle in before I change anything =). Now it's hurry up and wait for my coral to darken back up .. If they do lol.. __________________ 15 years in the hobby yet still learning every day. 280g radium lit sps flat living in my garage rent free. Current Tank Info: 105g SPS dominant euro braced powered by 4 ecotech pumps and lit by an ATI powermodule controlled by a reef angel =).

02/09/2014, 05:02 PM	#4642
Av8bluewater Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 763	Anyone have experience with the BuildMyLEd actinic strip vs. Reefbrite? I see they both mount on the Sunpower about the same. Reefbrite to me looks like a cleaner strip and cheaper. The BMLed is coming out with a new strip soon that you can adjust individual leds. Or maybe groups I can't remember. Also it has some 405nm leds on the standard version. But it does cost more. Edit.. I guess the BML is cheaper than XHO reefbrite. Last edited by Av8bluewater; 02/09/2014 at 05:14 PM.

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02/06/2014, 02:45 PM	#4626
Av8bluewater Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 763	Ok, I'm thinking about trying some different bulbs and LED strip. Currently: B+ C+ B+ P+ C+ Actinic B+ B+ Dusk/D is B+ and Actinic. Current setup gives me a very crisp white with all bulbs on and a little color pop. Dusk/D is a little too blue for my pink red corals. Maybe put the P+ instead of actinic and have actinic from LED strip? I haven't played around with combos much as this is my first T5 and I've only had it since Oct. I did buy an extra Giesman actinic and it seems slightly whiter than the ATI actinic. Not much of a big difference. I am thinking about replacing the Actinic with another P+ and a B+ with a daylight. The RC user Yariel uses two Purple plus and has some fantastic reds and pinks. I want to have a Reefbrite or Build my LED actinic strip mounted on the side of the Sunpower. So what do you guys think this combo would be like: BuildmyLED actinic strip which has some 405nm LEDs for extra pop 450nm and 470nm. Mounted on front. B+ C+ B+ P+ C+ P+ B+ B+ or another daylight. Also I may buy a few different bulbs just to compare. I may buy a Fiji Purple just because I'm curious if I'll be able to tell any difference since it is suppose to have a little more red. I may try a GE6500 too.

02/07/2014, 03:00 AM	#4628
SlavicSavage Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 268	I could use some bulb recommendations. I have two workhorse ballasts I am going to use to run 6 24" T5s and then maybe throw some LED strips in there as well. I am looking for something thats pretty white, like a 10 or 12k when all the bulbs are on, and then lots popping colors during the dawn/dusk effect. I have mostly LPS with a few SPS that are less than 8" below the surface of the water. Tank dimensions are 30x30x24 Thanks

02/08/2014, 03:51 PM	#4631
h0bite Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu Posts: 253	I just purchase a ATI 10x80w. My tank is in construction now. The dimension will be 66x30x24. What the best combinaison of tubes for a 10 unites fixture? I will only use ATI tubes. I was thinking about Front Blue+ I dont know if the actinic is very important in the combinaison Coral+ But I still put one. Give me your opinion Blue+ Coral+ Purple+ Blue+ Actinic Blue+ Coral+ Blue+ Back

02/08/2014, 04:00 PM	#4632
badger126 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 96	I've always used the grim recommended combo for my nova t5 fixture - 4xati blue plus 1x ati purple plus 1x ge6500k the seller I'm about to order bulbs from doesn't carry the ge - what bulb would you guys recommend for a replacement? wouldnt mind a little more blue but I don't want to lose the yellows/reds that the ge gives!

02/08/2014, 08:52 PM	#4633
bwrag Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 31	I have a ati 6x54. I ordered some bulbs tell me what you think Front Blue+ Uv Blue+ Coral + Purple+ Blue + I also got a 14k build my led strip I can add to it

02/09/2014, 03:45 AM	#4636
SlavicSavage Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 268	TropTrea, I havent bought any of LEDs yet. What would you go with for LEDs based on your two recommendations? I kind of like the thought of doing more LEDs and less T5s instead of using the T5s as the primary light. Maybe they would be better as the supplement.... Also, my tank is a marineland 70 "cube" 30x30x22" i think? Not positive on the height, might be 24"

02/09/2014, 11:20 AM	#4638
cpllongjk Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 1,066	Need advice on bulb placement. Front ReefBrite XHO All Blue Blue+ GE6500K Purple+ Blue+ Coral+ Blue+ (Plans for adding another ReefBrite XHO All blue in a month or two) Situation: 1. I use the Reefbrites for dusk/dawn as well as moonlights with the dimming unit. Bulbs 2 and 5 are used as midday for the extra punch and growth factor. 2. The reefbrites, 3 blue+, and 1 purple+ are on for 8 hours a day. The midday (ge6500k and coral+) are on for 4 hours a day. 3. I am in love with the lighting when everything is up and running. However, I am not happy with the color when the reefbrite, 3 blue+, and purple+ is on. It feels very blue and washed out. 4. I've tried moving the bulbs around but whenever I do, I can get one color right but then another one is off. For example I moved the coral+ and traded a blue+ and it threw off my full intensity coloration but my 4 bulbs were fine. Any suggestions you have would be awesome. I have some extra bulbs lying around to try as well. Overall, I am very happy with the color temperature given off when things are at full intensity so its hard to move things around. This makes me regret not getting the dimmable sunpower.

02/10/2014, 11:18 AM	#4644
dirtycontour Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 256	Hi guys, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a six bulb ATI Sunpower fixture for my standard 75 gallon. I'm looking for advice on bulbs and bulb placement. I'm thinking: (3) Blue + (1) Purple + (1) Aquablue Special (1) GE 6500K I'm going for a 12-14k look. I also have no idea what order to put the bulbs in the fixture.

02/10/2014, 03:06 PM	#4650
nexusnight Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: ontario Posts: 56	are ati actinics worth using on a 60" 8bulb combo? was thinking of using them on the dusk dawn setup but they seem very dim when all the other bulbs come on? i dont have my light yet may b here next week. sill trying to decide on bulbs, so far the reccomended combo was 5blueplus, purple and 2 coral plus