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snorvich · 12/02/2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by archangel91

For a 46g bowfront with a 15g sump, ~80lbs of live rock, bubble magnus curve5 skimmer, and planning to add a GFO reactor after christmas. The tank has been cycled for about 4 months and has a CuC of snails only.

Currently have 2 Ocellaris Clowns that will go in next week when they finish QT

Would like to add
1 Bangaii Cardnal
1 Royal Gramma
1 Multicolor Lubbock's Fairy Wrasse
1 Yellow Watchman Goby
1 Flame Angel since this is a grazer, a larger tank is desirable

My main concern is that from my research I've seen a lot of conflicting info for tank sizes for the Flame Angel, ranging between 30 and 70 gallons, will a 46 be big enough, or would I be better off waiting until we get a bigger tank down the line? Also, with all the info out there, is there a good book(s) that you could recommend for those like me that dont have much experience (yet) that would give good, accurate info on a variety of marine species?

Books on marine species exist, but none are really up to date and definitive (in my opinion). The books I personally read are marine biology books (as opposed to marine aquarium oriented) which tend to be more rigorous but are much more difficult reading (and also much more expensive). As a "reasonable" discussion of common aquarium species, our sponsor, Dr. Foster and Smith Live Aquaria has reasonable descriptions and fair minimum tank size recommendations on their website.

zpak · 12/02/2013, 04:30 PM

How would the bioload be if I added 2 more banggai cardinals? I also have and RBTA that I forgot to add to the list.

Originally Posted by zpak View Post
37 gallon
40 lbs of live rock
Protein Skimmer SCA-301
WP-25 power head
37 gallon cleanup crew package with hermit crabs from reefcleaners
bare bottom
Eshopps RS-100 sump

Currently have:
2 blackice snowflake clowns
1 banggai cardinal
1 scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp

Going to purchase:
Mystery wrasse
tuxedo urchin

If I get the mystery wrasse, am I able to add anymore fish or have I maxed out my tank? bioload is fine but a mystery wrasse is aggressive enough that many small fish would not work

Thanks in advance!

snorvich · 12/02/2013, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zpak

How would the bioload be if I added 2 more banggai cardinals? I also have and RBTA that I forgot to add to the list.

Bioload is not the issue; you can only have one male and one female Banggai cardinal. More than a mated/bonded pair cannot coexist especially in a small tank.

Originally Posted by zpak View Post
37 gallon
40 lbs of live rock
Protein Skimmer SCA-301
WP-25 power head
37 gallon cleanup crew package with hermit crabs from reefcleaners
bare bottom
Eshopps RS-100 sump

Currently have:
2 blackice snowflake clowns
1 banggai cardinal
1 scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp

Going to purchase:
Mystery wrasse
tuxedo urchin

If I get the mystery wrasse, am I able to add anymore fish or have I maxed out my tank? bioload is fine but a mystery wrasse is aggressive enough that many small fish would not work

Thanks in advance!

corabeauty4 · 12/02/2013, 08:15 PM

Hey guys. I have a 28 gallon aquarium with 20 lbs of live rock, penguin biowheel, and nano remora protein skimmer. So far I have one small oscelaris clown...I intend to get another for it to pair with. I would also like to get one final fish. I was thinking purple firefish but would like other suggestions of fish that would be suited for this small size tank. Any advice will help!

Thanks
Miranda

snorvich · 12/02/2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corabeauty4

Hey guys. I have a 28 gallon aquarium with 20 lbs of live rock, penguin biowheel, and nano remora protein skimmer. So far I have one small oscelaris clown...I intend to get another for it to pair with. I would also like to get one final fish. I was thinking purple firefish but would like other suggestions of fish that would be suited for this small size tank. Any advice will help!

Thanks
Miranda

I think a firefish would be great and perhaps a possum wrasse. Be sure the clownfish you introduce is smaller than the existing one and of the same species.

corabeauty4 · 12/02/2013, 10:25 PM

Thanks Steve. Are you saying possibly a possum wrasse in addition to the fire fish, or one or the other. I do also intend to purchase a skunk cleaner shrimp for the tank. Also, I am having trouble getting responses to my other posts...so i'll ask you! The tank I am using used to be a freshwater tank...so the lights are nothing special (old power compacts). I am looking to purchase LED lights and retrofit the hood so that they will fit in there. I am currently looking at ecoxotic panorama...do you think those are sufficient for growing LPS? If not what are some other lights you recommend.
I know this is not the topic of this forum and i apologize but I have been unable to get any responses on my other posts!!

Thanks again

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corabeauty4

Thanks Steve. Are you saying possibly a possum wrasse in addition to the fire fish, or one or the other.

Both.

I do also intend to purchase a skunk cleaner shrimp for the tank. Also, I am having trouble getting responses to my other posts...so i'll ask you! The tank I am using used to be a freshwater tank...so the lights are nothing special (old power compacts). I am looking to purchase LED lights and retrofit the hood so that they will fit in there. I am currently looking at ecoxotic panorama...do you think those are sufficient for growing LPS? If not what are some other lights you recommend.
I know this is not the topic of this forum and i apologize but I have been unable to get any responses on my other posts!!

Thanks again

This thread is only about marine fish compatibility so, unfortunately, I cannot really answer questions about equipment.

wcharon · 12/03/2013, 06:09 AM

Steve, i feel so confident of asking here when i want to put something in the tank so here it goes...

Do you know if Peppermint Shrimps can get along with Firefish and Orange Stripes Diamong Goby??? At least i am worried with them becuase they are the most little fishes in my tank. I need to fight with Aiptasia...

Thanks...

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcharon

Steve, i feel so confident of asking here when i want to put something in the tank so here it goes...

Do you know if Peppermint Shrimps can get along with Firefish and Orange Stripes Diamong Goby??? At least i am worried with them becuase they are the most little fishes in my tank. I need to fight with Aiptasia...

Thanks...

No problem with firefish and a diamond goby with regard to peppermint shrimp. However, peppermint shrimp may or may not help your aiptasia problem.

wcharon · 12/03/2013, 08:03 AM

Thanks Steve..

JCKoenig · 12/03/2013, 10:36 AM

Hey, I have a JBJ 24 with a tiny diamond goby and 1 clown. Mostly Z&Ps and acans. I would love to get a centerpiece fish, something more into swimming around. My wife loves coral beauties, but i have lost 2 of them; i cant seem to keep them alive.

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCKoenig

Hey, I have a JBJ 24 with a tiny diamond goby and 1 clown. Mostly Z&Ps and acans. I would love to get a centerpiece fish, something more into swimming around. My wife loves coral beauties, but i have lost 2 of them; i cant seem to keep them alive.

Coral beauties, as algae grazers need much larger tanks to sustain their eating habits.

JCKoenig · 12/03/2013, 01:05 PM

Thats correct, I was told to use nori sheets. But that didnt seem to work.

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCKoenig

Thats correct, I was told to use nori sheets. But that didnt seem to work.

Micro algae on the rocks and surface of the aquarium is what would be needed, hence the suggested minimum tank size of 75 gallons.

austinl · 12/03/2013, 01:26 PM

Good Afternoon,

Hope you all had a good thanksgiving!!

Long time reader first time poster. I have read most of this thread and its has been great but it has left me with some questions in regards to what I would like to stock in my tank, so i would like to submit my list for your critique.

The tank will be either a 75 or 100 gallon but for arguments sake lets go with the 75g with the dimensions of 36x24x18 with a 20g sump and refugium.

Tank will be filled with liverock and sand with some corals in the future.

I will have a clean up crew with snails and shrimp no crabs as I know they are frowned upon in here.

My current potential list is below, my main concerns are bioload and if I am missing any bottom dwellers for sand sifting and covering all aspects of the water coloum so to speak, also interested on the stocking order.

5x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis)
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (
3 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias)
3 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias)
1 x Pictichromis paccagnellae (Royal dotty back)
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish)
2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish)
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

Look forward to your reply and thanks in advance.

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl

Good Afternoon,

Hope you all had a good thanksgiving!!

Long time reader first time poster. I have read most of this thread and its has been great but it has left me with some questions in regards to what I would like to stock in my tank, so i would like to submit my list for your critique.

The tank will be either a 75 or 100 gallon but for arguments sake lets go with the 75g with the dimensions of 36x24x18 with a 20g sump and refugium.

Tank will be filled with liverock and sand with some corals in the future.

I will have a clean up crew with snails and shrimp no crabs as I know they are frowned upon in here.

My current potential list is below, my main concerns are bioload and if I am missing any bottom dwellers for sand sifting and covering all aspects of the water coloum so to speak

5x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis) over time, five will become one
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (
3 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias) multiple anthias require a larger tank; for discussion of why, please see part one and part two of this excellent article from one of our sponsers
3 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias) see above
1 x Pictichromis paccagnellae (Royal dotty back) aggressive and inconsistent with flasher wrasses
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish)
2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish) unless a bonded pair, only one will survive
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

Look forward to your reply and thanks in advance.

austinl · 12/03/2013, 03:01 PM

Thanks for the quick reply,

I have one more question for you

In the list you sent back I read the Anthias links you gave me thanks for that.

But can I do one of each or do I just have to choose one of the species and leave it at that.

Here is an updated list with your suggestions

3x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis)
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
1 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias)
1 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias)
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish) ( I assume I can add more or another type of cardinal?)
2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish Bonded pair if i can find them)
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

Additions

Felt like I was lacking bottom dwellers, could i add a blenny, gobie and jawfish?

Thanks again

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl

Thanks for the quick reply,

I have one more question for you

In the list you sent back I read the Anthias links you gave me thanks for that.

But can I do one of each or do I just have to choose one of the species and leave it at that. One of each is fine because there will not be the social interaction that multiples of the same species will entail

Here is an updated list with your suggestions

3x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis)
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
1 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias)
1 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias)
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish) ( I assume I can add more or another type of cardinal?) Yes and no depending on species
2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish Bonded pair if i can find them) Impossible to get a bonded pair; you may accidentally do it but the odds are against
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

Additions

Felt like I was lacking bottom dwellers, could i add a blenny, gobie and jawfish? bottom dwellers are not necessary especially if you have nasarius snails. A shrimp goby is fine, a sleeper goby not. Jawfish work but they depend on species.

Thanks again

austinl · 12/03/2013, 03:53 PM

Thanks for the quick response, any chance you could comment on what you feel the tank would be like from an activity level? and overall harmony or would that be better in another forum?

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl

Thanks for the quick response, any chance you could comment on what you feel the tank would be like from an activity level? and overall harmony or would that be better in another forum?

The cardinals do little in terms of activity as they are more nocturnal than not. Otherwise, activity level should be pretty good. My analysis is always focused around providing a harmonious environment through compatible fish behaviors. (Many often assume I am analyzing bioload, but that is not the primary focus)

austinl · 12/03/2013, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

The cardinals do little in terms of activity as they are more nocturnal than not. Otherwise, activity level should be pretty good. My analysis is always focused around providing a harmonious environment through compatible fish behaviors. (Many often assume I am analyzing bioload, but that is not the primary focus)

Thanks again Snorvich, i know you don't normally provide any recommendations on fish but would you or could you provide 1 or 2 alternate species that shoal / group together that could be a fit for what is already in my list.

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl

Thanks again Snorvich, i know you don't normally provide any recommendations on fish but would you or could you provide 1 or 2 alternate species that shoal / group together that could be a fit for what is already in my list.

There is no fish species that will shoal or school in your sized tank. Closest is apogon parvulus (red spot cardinal) but that is pretty difficult to maintain without multiple feedings of frozen per day.

austinl · 12/03/2013, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

There is no fish species that will shoal or school in your sized tank. Closest is apogon parvulus (red spot cardinal) but that is pretty difficult to maintain without multiple feedings of frozen per day.

Thanks Snorvich, I will have a look at those.

Last question for today what order would you feel is right for stocking the tank with my selections ( I will repost for ease )

3x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis)
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
2 x Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
1 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias)
1 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias)
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish)
1 x Nemateleotris magnifica
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

snorvich · 12/03/2013, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl

Thanks Snorvich, I will have a look at those.

Last question for today what order would you feel is right for stocking the tank with my selections ( I will repost for ease )

3x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis) last
1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse)
2 x Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
1 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias)
1 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias)
5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish)
1 x Nemateleotris magnifica first
1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish)

The general rule is most aggressive last, least aggressive/shy first.

austinl · 12/03/2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by snorvich

The general rule is most aggressive last, least aggressive/shy first.

Thanks again, surprised to see the Angel wasn't last.

12/03/2013, 06:09 AM	#8283
wcharon Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 838	Steve, i feel so confident of asking here when i want to put something in the tank so here it goes... Do you know if Peppermint Shrimps can get along with Firefish and Orange Stripes Diamong Goby??? At least i am worried with them becuase they are the most little fishes in my tank. I need to fight with Aiptasia... Thanks... __________________ 125 Gal. Reef Tank, Skimmer SRO-1000SSS (Old), Aquamaxx EM-200, Chiller Artica 1/4, BRS GFO/Carbon Reactor, Sunpower 6x80 Watt., Actinic ReefBrites, 2 Jebao RW-15, 3/4 Sea Swirl, HY-5000 Return Pump, Current Tank Info: 125 Gal. Reef, Chiller 1/4, Skimmer SRO SSS-1000 (Old), Aquamaxx EM-200, Aqua C UV, Actinic ReefBrites, Kore 5th. Doser, APEX Full

12/03/2013, 08:03 AM	#8285
wcharon Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 838	Thanks Steve.. __________________ 125 Gal. Reef Tank, Skimmer SRO-1000SSS (Old), Aquamaxx EM-200, Chiller Artica 1/4, BRS GFO/Carbon Reactor, Sunpower 6x80 Watt., Actinic ReefBrites, 2 Jebao RW-15, 3/4 Sea Swirl, HY-5000 Return Pump, Current Tank Info: 125 Gal. Reef, Chiller 1/4, Skimmer SRO SSS-1000 (Old), Aquamaxx EM-200, Aqua C UV, Actinic ReefBrites, Kore 5th. Doser, APEX Full

12/03/2013, 10:36 AM	#8286
JCKoenig Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 123	Hey, I have a JBJ 24 with a tiny diamond goby and 1 clown. Mostly Z&Ps and acans. I would love to get a centerpiece fish, something more into swimming around. My wife loves coral beauties, but i have lost 2 of them; i cant seem to keep them alive. __________________ CAD Lights 8g. Nano Box Tide LED w/Storm controller

12/03/2013, 01:05 PM	#8288
JCKoenig Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 123	Thats correct, I was told to use nori sheets. But that didnt seem to work. __________________ CAD Lights 8g. Nano Box Tide LED w/Storm controller

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12/02/2013, 04:30 PM	#8277
zpak Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Vernon Hills Posts: 58	How would the bioload be if I added 2 more banggai cardinals? I also have and RBTA that I forgot to add to the list. Originally Posted by zpak View Post 37 gallon 40 lbs of live rock Protein Skimmer SCA-301 WP-25 power head 37 gallon cleanup crew package with hermit crabs from reefcleaners bare bottom Eshopps RS-100 sump Currently have: 2 blackice snowflake clowns 1 banggai cardinal 1 scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp Going to purchase: Mystery wrasse tuxedo urchin If I get the mystery wrasse, am I able to add anymore fish or have I maxed out my tank? bioload is fine but a mystery wrasse is aggressive enough that many small fish would not work Thanks in advance!

12/02/2013, 08:15 PM	#8279
corabeauty4 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 49	Hey guys. I have a 28 gallon aquarium with 20 lbs of live rock, penguin biowheel, and nano remora protein skimmer. So far I have one small oscelaris clown...I intend to get another for it to pair with. I would also like to get one final fish. I was thinking purple firefish but would like other suggestions of fish that would be suited for this small size tank. Any advice will help! Thanks Miranda

12/02/2013, 10:25 PM	#8281
corabeauty4 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 49	Thanks Steve. Are you saying possibly a possum wrasse in addition to the fire fish, or one or the other. I do also intend to purchase a skunk cleaner shrimp for the tank. Also, I am having trouble getting responses to my other posts...so i'll ask you! The tank I am using used to be a freshwater tank...so the lights are nothing special (old power compacts). I am looking to purchase LED lights and retrofit the hood so that they will fit in there. I am currently looking at ecoxotic panorama...do you think those are sufficient for growing LPS? If not what are some other lights you recommend. I know this is not the topic of this forum and i apologize but I have been unable to get any responses on my other posts!! Thanks again

12/03/2013, 01:26 PM	#8290
austinl Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Good Afternoon, Hope you all had a good thanksgiving!! Long time reader first time poster. I have read most of this thread and its has been great but it has left me with some questions in regards to what I would like to stock in my tank, so i would like to submit my list for your critique. The tank will be either a 75 or 100 gallon but for arguments sake lets go with the 75g with the dimensions of 36x24x18 with a 20g sump and refugium. Tank will be filled with liverock and sand with some corals in the future. I will have a clean up crew with snails and shrimp no crabs as I know they are frowned upon in here. My current potential list is below, my main concerns are bioload and if I am missing any bottom dwellers for sand sifting and covering all aspects of the water coloum so to speak, also interested on the stocking order. 5x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis) 1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse) 1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse) 1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred ( 3 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias) 3 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias) 1 x Pictichromis paccagnellae (Royal dotty back) 5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish) 2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish) 1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish) Look forward to your reply and thanks in advance.

12/03/2013, 03:01 PM	#8292
austinl Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Thanks for the quick reply, I have one more question for you In the list you sent back I read the Anthias links you gave me thanks for that. But can I do one of each or do I just have to choose one of the species and leave it at that. Here is an updated list with your suggestions 3x Chromis lineata (Lined Chromis) 1 x Paracheilinus carpenteri (Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse) 1 x Paracheilinus cyaneus (Blue Flasher Wrasse) 1 or 2 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.) 1 x Pseudanthias bartlettorum (bartletts anthias) 1 x Pseudanthias rubrizontaus (Tricolor, redbelted anthias) 5 x Apogon flores (Bluebarred Cardinalfish) ( I assume I can add more or another type of cardinal?) 2 x Nemateleotris magnifica (Firefish Bonded pair if i can find them) 1 x Centropyge loricula (Flame Angelfish) Additions Felt like I was lacking bottom dwellers, could i add a blenny, gobie and jawfish? Thanks again

12/03/2013, 03:53 PM	#8294
austinl Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Thanks for the quick response, any chance you could comment on what you feel the tank would be like from an activity level? and overall harmony or would that be better in another forum?