Rebuild and recovery of a dead tank - Page 47

jason2459 · 06/25/2015, 08:05 PM

Day 11

Seems like most the brown is gone and more and more green.

jason2459 · 06/25/2015, 08:27 PM

So, I'm getting an Apex. I've been thinking of getting either an Apex or a Profilux. I found a NIB Apex for sale in the used equipment section and grabbed it.

I have been using two reef keeper lights I've picked up used on here for several years now. They work and do their job but definitely have their quirks that I've learned to work around. Like only a couple outlets support multi timers and the rest don't. There's a couple that tend to stick in the on position when switched on. Over the years I've had a couple entire strips go out. So, I'm down to one strip under the tank and one in the basement with all kinds of splitters rigged up. I did pay $15 to reserve one of the new Archon's but...

I'm so sick of their lack of customer support. They are priced right and they work but if you ever have any issues or need an update to fix something Good Luck. The best support to get from them is their forums from volunteers that don't get paid by them. Those people are awesome and deserve some major Kudos.

I did try and get an Archon. I paid the $15 or so dollars. Then I never got a notification when they came in stock. Then I emailed them and got a response back to call them. So I tried calling and eventually got a call back saying they were currently back out of stock...and this went on for a while until I just gave up. They can keep the $15. I'm done with them.

jason2459 · 06/26/2015, 09:25 PM

Day 12

Some more green

jason2459 · 06/26/2015, 09:29 PM

So, digital Aquatics just emailed me to let me know I can call them Monday to order an Archon. I've been through this a few times before. Maybe they actually do have it in stock for real this time. Maybe I actually could get it shipped to me. But I won't know. I'm happy to be getting an Apex coming my way.

I'm a pretty patient person and Floyd R Turbo on here could probably vouch for that. But I do appreciate honesty and some kind of communication. I haven't gotten that from DA so I'm moving on. 6 months to late.

jason2459 · 06/27/2015, 08:22 PM

Day 13

Seems like a lot more green. Don't see any brown. But I'm also getting s lot of glare from the spray. Some kind of wiping and cleaning tomorrow?

Floyd R Turbo · 06/28/2015, 04:16 PM

You've got thick patches at the light blockers. Good sign. Let it grow for a few more days

jason2459 · 06/28/2015, 07:26 PM

Do nothing. Got it.

Day 14

Looking pretty much the same to me.

jason2459 · 06/29/2015, 08:19 PM

Day 15

Seems more filled in maybe

jason2459 · 06/30/2015, 06:01 PM

Day 16

Looking thicker in spots and slimy or maybe hairy. Or hairy slime...

jason2459 · 07/01/2015, 06:47 PM

Day 17

Can't see... Lots of moisture

jason2459 · 07/01/2015, 09:49 PM

Got this in today.

jason2459 · 07/01/2015, 10:59 PM

Wow, that was extremely easy to setup and get connected right away. And ApexFusion rocks. Why did I not do this years ago.

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 12:46 AM

Well, poop. It's almost 2am and I'm still playing around with this apex. I better stop.

It's wireless now. Temp and pH probe calibrated and connected. Modified alerts. Set it up to text and email me. Setup a duckdns account. Getting my reeftronics account setup back up. Eploring around the display, web local, cloud fusion interfaces....

Floyd R Turbo · 07/02/2015, 11:41 AM

I would probably take the screen out and give it a light rub with fingertips, maybe pick off some of the thicker growth. Thin it out - don't remove all of the growth from one area. if that makes sense. Keep a good portion of the GHA you are getting, especially at the top, that will fill in downward. Then a brief rinse.

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 12:33 PM

Thanks, I'll see if I can get to it tonight but my schedule is packed. May have to do it tomorrow night.

Floyd R Turbo · 07/02/2015, 12:35 PM

should be ok for another day or two

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd R Turbo

should be ok for another day or two

This ATS is getting to be much way to much work...

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 05:55 PM

Day 18

Best picture I could get of this beautiful green blur. I'm rather impressed and didn't think I'd be growing anything for a couple months. I won't have time to "clean" it tonight. Will have to get to it tomorrow night.

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 08:30 PM

Just looked at that picture and looks like there's one strip vertical that's bare

jason2459 · 07/02/2015, 08:33 PM

Also note I haven't changed anything else I've always been doing. I was wondering if I would have to cut back on the carbon dosing with vinegar. I can never remember how much it is but think it's around 90-96ml per day.

Floyd R Turbo · 07/02/2015, 10:43 PM

I would not change anything else. Let the scrubber ramp up without tweaking anything else. You should not need to force the scrubber to grow by changing something else not related to the scrubber, that is the last resort.

The general timeline for getting a screen to full maturity is 6-8 weeks, which means about 3 or 4 cleanings. You're right on track. Take a pic of the screen when you remove it before and after you clean it.

As far as getting pics of it when it's running, you might swipe something over the acrylic before taking the pic. like a pipe cleaner or a pencil with a piece of paper towel wrapped around it, something to clear the beaded water. but not a big deal, just helps you get a pic. The beaded water diffuses the light a bit which doesn't hurt

jason2459 · 07/03/2015, 12:36 AM

Don't know if I really care or want to take the time to wipe. I'm in and out of the sump room pretty quick normally. Just hit a basic quick spot check and mostly quick glances around the room in and out in well under a minute. I'd say just a couple seconds normally.

1. ATO res will it need filled soon
2. AWC Salt mix container does it need refilled soon
3. Skimmer cup has it turned into a volcano or need cleaned out soon.
4. Temp/pH check (I can skip this now my
controller is back on the net)
5. All drain lines still shoved into the floor drain

And I'm out. Do that once in the morning before work and again later in the evening some time. And now I just add in the quick unscrew of a single screw and take a quick snapshot.

jason2459 · 07/03/2015, 08:27 PM

Dori strikes again. This time the clown fish. Maybe now I can talk the rest of the family into letting me get rid of her.

Crappy picture but the flash on lets you see the little slice on the clowns side.

jason2459 · 07/03/2015, 11:00 PM

Round 2 Day 19 just before second cleaning

Front side just pulled out

Back side just pulled out

Quick finger rub and nails on thicker part to even it out a bit and a quick tap rinse.

Front side after quick cleaning

Back side after quick cleaning

Round 3 day 0

Haven't changed anything. Flow is still cut back, blue lights diffused with scotch tape, and lights on over night starting at 11:30 for 9 hours.

jason2459 · 07/03/2015, 11:19 PM

March 9th
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...php?p=23574755

About on pace still with the last swapping and rotating of the DI stages. This is great. The third last stage that the newest DI goes into just registered 1 tonight as I was filling my ATO/lime water resevour. This is the first time I think I get to do the full rotation and here's what the DI looked like when I used to swap it out and was still registering 1 compared to the 1st stage (oldest DI) I just dumped out tonight that was registering 3. (yes I kept it around just so it could do this comparison)

I don't think I have to say which is which.

That's a lot more use out of that DI stage and was still cutting in half the TDS from the RO using what ever life it had left. The second stage is still registering 1 which is now going into the first stage. The 3rd and last stage is now in the second stage and fresh new DI in the last stage again.

06/25/2015, 08:05 PM	#1151
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 11 Seems like most the brown is gone and more and more green. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/25/2015, 08:27 PM	#1152
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	So, I'm getting an Apex. I've been thinking of getting either an Apex or a Profilux. I found a NIB Apex for sale in the used equipment section and grabbed it. I have been using two reef keeper lights I've picked up used on here for several years now. They work and do their job but definitely have their quirks that I've learned to work around. Like only a couple outlets support multi timers and the rest don't. There's a couple that tend to stick in the on position when switched on. Over the years I've had a couple entire strips go out. So, I'm down to one strip under the tank and one in the basement with all kinds of splitters rigged up. I did pay $15 to reserve one of the new Archon's but... I'm so sick of their lack of customer support. They are priced right and they work but if you ever have any issues or need an update to fix something Good Luck. The best support to get from them is their forums from volunteers that don't get paid by them. Those people are awesome and deserve some major Kudos. I did try and get an Archon. I paid the $15 or so dollars. Then I never got a notification when they came in stock. Then I emailed them and got a response back to call them. So I tried calling and eventually got a call back saying they were currently back out of stock...and this went on for a while until I just gave up. They can keep the $15. I'm done with them. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/26/2015, 09:25 PM	#1153
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 12 Some more green __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/26/2015, 09:29 PM	#1154
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	So, digital Aquatics just emailed me to let me know I can call them Monday to order an Archon. I've been through this a few times before. Maybe they actually do have it in stock for real this time. Maybe I actually could get it shipped to me. But I won't know. I'm happy to be getting an Apex coming my way. I'm a pretty patient person and Floyd R Turbo on here could probably vouch for that. But I do appreciate honesty and some kind of communication. I haven't gotten that from DA so I'm moving on. 6 months to late. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/27/2015, 08:22 PM	#1155
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 13 Seems like a lot more green. Don't see any brown. But I'm also getting s lot of glare from the spray. Some kind of wiping and cleaning tomorrow? __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/28/2015, 04:16 PM	#1156
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	You've got thick patches at the light blockers. Good sign. Let it grow for a few more days __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

06/28/2015, 07:26 PM	#1157
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Do nothing. Got it. Day 14 Looking pretty much the same to me. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/29/2015, 08:19 PM	#1158
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 15 Seems more filled in maybe __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/30/2015, 06:01 PM	#1159
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 16 Looking thicker in spots and slimy or maybe hairy. Or hairy slime... __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/01/2015, 06:47 PM	#1160
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 17 Can't see... Lots of moisture __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/01/2015, 09:49 PM	#1161
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Got this in today. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/01/2015, 10:59 PM	#1162
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Wow, that was extremely easy to setup and get connected right away. And ApexFusion rocks. Why did I not do this years ago. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 12:46 AM	#1163
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Well, poop. It's almost 2am and I'm still playing around with this apex. I better stop. It's wireless now. Temp and pH probe calibrated and connected. Modified alerts. Set it up to text and email me. Setup a duckdns account. Getting my reeftronics account setup back up. Eploring around the display, web local, cloud fusion interfaces.... __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 11:41 AM	#1164
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	I would probably take the screen out and give it a light rub with fingertips, maybe pick off some of the thicker growth. Thin it out - don't remove all of the growth from one area. if that makes sense. Keep a good portion of the GHA you are getting, especially at the top, that will fill in downward. Then a brief rinse. __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/02/2015, 12:33 PM	#1165
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Thanks, I'll see if I can get to it tonight but my schedule is packed. May have to do it tomorrow night. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 12:35 PM	#1166
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	should be ok for another day or two __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/02/2015, 05:55 PM	#1168
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Day 18 Best picture I could get of this beautiful green blur. I'm rather impressed and didn't think I'd be growing anything for a couple months. I won't have time to "clean" it tonight. Will have to get to it tomorrow night. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 08:30 PM	#1169
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Just looked at that picture and looks like there's one strip vertical that's bare __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 08:33 PM	#1170
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Also note I haven't changed anything else I've always been doing. I was wondering if I would have to cut back on the carbon dosing with vinegar. I can never remember how much it is but think it's around 90-96ml per day. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/02/2015, 10:43 PM	#1171
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	I would not change anything else. Let the scrubber ramp up without tweaking anything else. You should not need to force the scrubber to grow by changing something else not related to the scrubber, that is the last resort. The general timeline for getting a screen to full maturity is 6-8 weeks, which means about 3 or 4 cleanings. You're right on track. Take a pic of the screen when you remove it before and after you clean it. As far as getting pics of it when it's running, you might swipe something over the acrylic before taking the pic. like a pipe cleaner or a pencil with a piece of paper towel wrapped around it, something to clear the beaded water. but not a big deal, just helps you get a pic. The beaded water diffuses the light a bit which doesn't hurt __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/03/2015, 12:36 AM	#1172
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Don't know if I really care or want to take the time to wipe. I'm in and out of the sump room pretty quick normally. Just hit a basic quick spot check and mostly quick glances around the room in and out in well under a minute. I'd say just a couple seconds normally. 1. ATO res will it need filled soon 2. AWC Salt mix container does it need refilled soon 3. Skimmer cup has it turned into a volcano or need cleaned out soon. 4. Temp/pH check (I can skip this now my controller is back on the net) 5. All drain lines still shoved into the floor drain And I'm out. Do that once in the morning before work and again later in the evening some time. And now I just add in the quick unscrew of a single screw and take a quick snapshot. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/03/2015, 08:27 PM	#1173
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Dori strikes again. This time the clown fish. Maybe now I can talk the rest of the family into letting me get rid of her. Crappy picture but the flash on lets you see the little slice on the clowns side. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/03/2015, 11:00 PM	#1174
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Round 2 Day 19 just before second cleaning Front side just pulled out Back side just pulled out Quick finger rub and nails on thicker part to even it out a bit and a quick tap rinse. Front side after quick cleaning Back side after quick cleaning Round 3 day 0 Haven't changed anything. Flow is still cut back, blue lights diffused with scotch tape, and lights on over night starting at 11:30 for 9 hours. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/03/2015, 11:19 PM	#1175
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	March 9th http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...php?p=23574755 About on pace still with the last swapping and rotating of the DI stages. This is great. The third last stage that the newest DI goes into just registered 1 tonight as I was filling my ATO/lime water resevour. This is the first time I think I get to do the full rotation and here's what the DI looked like when I used to swap it out and was still registering 1 compared to the 1st stage (oldest DI) I just dumped out tonight that was registering 3. (yes I kept it around just so it could do this comparison) I don't think I have to say which is which. That's a lot more use out of that DI stage and was still cutting in half the TDS from the RO using what ever life it had left. The second stage is still registering 1 which is now going into the first stage. The 3rd and last stage is now in the second stage and fresh new DI in the last stage again. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 07/03/2015 at 11:25 PM.