Deltec vs Octopus? - Page 5

Roland Jacques · 02/06/2006, 02:55 PM

which is which? that one looks like a Pasific Coast brand. do they have the same parent company or something?

Julio · 02/06/2006, 02:59 PM

I have tried manny different skimmers through the years and i just finally gave in and bought a Deltec and they are well worth the money. By far the best skimmer i ever had.

dhnguyen · 02/06/2006, 02:59 PM

Pcific Coast like Coral Vue and other vendors get their skimmers from the same manufacturer in China. Infact a Coralife Super Skimmer, a Pacific Coast PS100, and a Catalina super vortex skimmer are one and the same. Just different label is all.

D.

dhnguyen · 02/06/2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yourfishman
dhnguyen

thats is NOT the octopus 200 nw. the octopus 200 is a in sump model and not a recirculating pump.

that is twice the wrong photo has been posted. the other wrong photo is the the octopus down draft.

the the octopus 200 is made by coralvue
but i think the octopus 200 it one of the best for the money.

Wrong again. That BIG skimmer in the photo IS the Reef Octopus NW200 The recirculation model and yes it can be used as an external skimmer.

mr. pluto · 02/06/2006, 03:24 PM

you can not compare the two skimmers on equal terms.
you can only compare the octupus to how close the product
competes with the benchmark. which is the deltec. remember
it is less pricey & a easier unit to obtain for the masses.

Roland Jacques · 02/06/2006, 03:54 PM

the photo in your linked is sold as a
"Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 Recirculating Protein Skimmer. 7.8 inch diameter. 29.64"

now im a horrible speller but Pacifc Coast and Octopus are to defferent names, and to defferent brands.

im sure they are made at the same plant like you say. buit so were Volkswagon's and Porche's

but if you want to compare products we need to use the right names, or ESP, and my ESP is a little rusty. ive have yet to see the model in your photo sold as a Octopus.

bring me up to speed here are they any other names that we are calling octopus???

The "Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 Recirculating Protein Skimmer.at $500 is not the value that the octopus 200 is.

thier is only $100 defferent between the Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 and the DELTEC AP600 in that case the deltec is the better value.

ErikS · 02/06/2006, 04:00 PM

Well those two picture certainly make the case, of note:

The Deltec pictured has pretty much a "white cream" in the body = massive amount of bubbles. This is what is meant by an excellent needlewheel & matching the pump to the body. But they've been at this a long time = they've gotten it right.

The Octopus shown in the link has more gray in the body, a sure sign that it's not making the same amount of bubbles or the pump isn't matched as well to the body = less efficient/effective.

With the Deltec/H&S skimmers you get an Eheim pump, one of the most reliable/efficient pumps on the market (probably 2nd only to Red Dragon). Any notion that current crop of far east imports is even close is just plain silly (note: I'm not saying that geographic region couldn't build a pump of the same quality - but then it would cost just as much).

Buy what you like & feel works for you.

SunnyX · 02/06/2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikonosis
Wouldn't it make more since to compare a ferrari to something like a ford gt40? It maybe a ford but it can still out run alot of ferrari's!

What i was trying to say is ANY car will get you where you want to go, only SOME will get you there is style, comfort, and class. I would never put an Octopus in the even near the same class of a Deltec.

The title and entire topic of this thread is borderline Blasphemy

With skimmers you get what you pay for.

In all the skimmers I've seen tried and seen before, the Deltec AP851 is the best skimmer I have owned. It has been the most consistent and most reliable skimmer I have ever used.

I really do not want to ramble on about which skimmer is better.
As they say "one mans garbage is another mans treasure"

dhnguyen · 02/06/2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yourfishman
the photo in your linked is sold as a
"Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 Recirculating Protein Skimmer. 7.8 inch diameter. 29.64"

now im a horrible speller but Pacifc Coast and Octopus are to defferent names, and to defferent brands.

im sure they are made at the same plant like you say. buit so were Volkswagon's and Porche's
...

Without going into too much details, I know for a fact that Pacific Coast "brand" skimmers as the one shown are in fact Reef Octopus skimmers. Pacific Coast don't actually make any of the products that they sell, they just buy them from overseas and slap a label on it and Voila!

dhnguyen · 02/06/2006, 04:22 PM

I agree though that the Reef Octopus NW 200 (non-recirculation model) is not in the same class as a Deltec and should not be compared as so.

A better somparison would be Reef Octopus vs. ASM or Reef Octopus vs. ER in the same comparable models of course.

D.

dhnguyen · 02/06/2006, 04:28 PM

Here check them out. The below are all Reef Octopus skimmers

http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...S-CVOCT-NW-200
http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...VOCT-VENTU-100
http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...=PS-PCRPS-2000
http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...mid=PS-PC-3000
http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...=PS-PCRPS-3000

2002sod · 02/06/2006, 04:50 PM

FOR THE MONEY IT GETS THE JOB DONE

I TESTED IT IN THE SAME SUMP WITH MY ETS 800

I also fooled around and change the pump and put a Mag 18 on it
it is doing a great job and can take the upgrade in size
with no problems
I also added elbow to the out put riser pipe

THE CONSTRUCTION AND PARTS ARE not bad
for the over all cost of this skimmer

HOPE THIS HELPS

IF YOU CANT SPEND BIG BUCKS ON A SKIMMER
THIS ONE WILL DO THE JOB FOR YOU

It TAKES too 2 weeks for it too break in so be patient

SOD

skimmers I have used over the years
3 EURO' CS2 ,CS3, CS12-2
3 ETS ETS 800. ETS 600,ETS REEFDEVIL
2 ASM
2 tunze
1 DELTEC
AND 4-5 OFF BRANDS OVER THE YEARS

ErikS · 02/07/2006, 08:45 AM

And let's not forget with PCI you get their "world class" support (sarcasm)

I dumped everything made by them because of the poor support (and the products were decent). Everything was "try this, try that....it MUST be your fault". Every single non-answer evasion you can think of......AND....let's not forget it was PCI who spouted the "that's not rust, that's an ion attractor" excuse for having stainless steel inside (& not sealed) a pump.

I like to save a buck as much as anyone but no thanks, I'll pass.

dhnguyen · 02/07/2006, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ErikS
And let's not forget with PCI you get their "world class" support (sarcasm)

I dumped everything made by them because of the poor support (and the products were decent). Everything was "try this, try that....it MUST be your fault". Every single non-answer evasion you can think of......AND....let's not forget it was PCI who spouted the "that's not rust, that's an ion attractor" excuse for having stainless steel inside (& not sealed) a pump.

I like to save a buck as much as anyone but no thanks, I'll pass.

Yeah but the thing is how good or bad PCI customer support is has no bearing how good or bad the Reef Octopus skimmers are. They (PCI) are not the only vendor selling these skimmers.

D.

ErikS · 02/07/2006, 12:04 PM

Not directly, but that's part of the whole package. Once past 30 days you're off (in general) the vendor's support system & onto the manufacturer.

And even at that given the pics - the Octopus doesn't make the bubbles a Deltec does, same as a Deltec doesn't make the bubbles a Bubble King does (the latter two I've seen, the former is just the picture shown).

tigerarmy40 · 02/07/2006, 12:55 PM

I am actually thinking of trying the larger of the two needle wheel skimmers on my 150 however I have noticed that in all the pics of the skimmate so so far there seems to be a common light brown almost coffee color skimmate and I am wondering if this is due to deisgn(meaning yoiu cant do too many adjustments) or if this a user thing!?!?

ReefSalt · 02/07/2006, 04:01 PM

WOW...."Pacific Coast Imports" does not give good customer support"
I dont know who you have been speaking to but I have only recieved the best of support from Steve at PCI,any issues are handeled right away with service not many can give.

dhnguyen · 02/07/2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tigerarmy40
I am actually thinking of trying the larger of the two needle wheel skimmers on my 150 however I have noticed that in all the pics of the skimmate so so far there seems to be a common light brown almost coffee color skimmate and I am wondering if this is due to deisgn(meaning yoiu cant do too many adjustments) or if this a user thing!?!?

That's just it. We haven't seen any skimmate photos from a needle wheel version fo the Octopus skimmer yet. Those photos posted previously are from a downdraft skimmer and infact the owner even stated that he skimmed on the wet side as the cup filled overnight.

D.

sherm71tank · 02/07/2006, 04:39 PM

That is my DD skimmer cup in the pic. Yes, I choose to skim on the very wet side. The pump that came with it is as near to silent as I would expect possible and adds no heat to the tank (measurable anyways). It makes a very nice foam and the tank ORP is up consistently about 20 points compared to my DIY/Jebo 520 skimmer I put together with the Sedra 9000 NW which worked great. I will also add that dealing with Chinese manufacturers I know they are very good at copying things, especially plastics. I wouldn't say that Octopus has to have an R&D department at all. Why would they when they can just let Deltec spend the money and then copy it? It's not nice but that's how it is.

s10willy · 02/07/2006, 07:14 PM

I wish that picture impressed me.

arconom · 02/07/2006, 07:28 PM

Maybe the Chinese Manufactures should see my Skimmer and use it as the Model. I don't think there using Deltecs as there model for a copy. I think they might be using more like a Prism for there cloning needs.

This is set for very wet. I run a BB tank with just SPS no fish.

sherm71tank · 02/07/2006, 07:32 PM

A pic of dry skimmate would impress? Hasn't that been discussed enough? I believe most agree it is better to skim wet.

sherm71tank · 02/07/2006, 07:35 PM

That is very nice. Time will tell whether these new skimmers will make the cut.

s10willy · 02/07/2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherm71tank
A pic of dry skimmate would impress? Hasn't that been discussed enough? I believe most agree it is better to skim wet.

No, dry skimmate would not impress, unless it showed that the skimmer is pulling out more "gunk" than that. My $100 Coralife Super Skimmer pulled darker skimmate than that - skimming wet. So like I said - I'm not impressed. The design may be copied, but obviously the performance is not. Thanks for providing the picture as proof.

sherm71tank · 02/07/2006, 07:47 PM

That is funny. I run a very clean system my friend and the Coralife Super Skimmer 220 I purchased generated NO skimmate when ran beside my Modded Jebo 520. It is easy to jump to conclusions isn't it?

02/06/2006, 02:55 PM	#101
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	which is which? that one looks like a Pasific Coast brand. do they have the same parent company or something? __________________ Roland

02/06/2006, 02:59 PM	#102
Julio Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New york Posts: 7,978	I have tried manny different skimmers through the years and i just finally gave in and bought a Deltec and they are well worth the money. By far the best skimmer i ever had. __________________ Thanks, Have a nice day. Julio Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef w/ 250 watt SE XM10Ks and AP1003, 12 gallon reef, 40 gallon reef

02/06/2006, 03:54 PM	#106
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	the photo in your linked is sold as a "Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 Recirculating Protein Skimmer. 7.8 inch diameter. 29.64" now im a horrible speller but Pacifc Coast and Octopus are to defferent names, and to defferent brands. im sure they are made at the same plant like you say. buit so were Volkswagon's and Porche's but if you want to compare products we need to use the right names, or ESP, and my ESP is a little rusty. ive have yet to see the model in your photo sold as a Octopus. bring me up to speed here are they any other names that we are calling octopus??? The "Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 Recirculating Protein Skimmer.at $500 is not the value that the octopus 200 is. thier is only $100 defferent between the Pacifc Coast RPS-3000 and the DELTEC AP600 in that case the deltec is the better value. __________________ Roland

02/06/2006, 04:00 PM	#107
ErikS Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VA Posts: 2,199	Well those two picture certainly make the case, of note: The Deltec pictured has pretty much a "white cream" in the body = massive amount of bubbles. This is what is meant by an excellent needlewheel & matching the pump to the body. But they've been at this a long time = they've gotten it right. The Octopus shown in the link has more gray in the body, a sure sign that it's not making the same amount of bubbles or the pump isn't matched as well to the body = less efficient/effective. With the Deltec/H&S skimmers you get an Eheim pump, one of the most reliable/efficient pumps on the market (probably 2nd only to Red Dragon). Any notion that current crop of far east imports is even close is just plain silly (note: I'm not saying that geographic region couldn't build a pump of the same quality - but then it would cost just as much). Buy what you like & feel works for you. __________________ It's just my opinion & it's worth exactly what you paid for it

02/06/2006, 04:50 PM	#112
2002sod Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ma,USA Posts: 212	OCTOPUS down draft AT WORK FOR THE MONEY IT GETS THE JOB DONE I TESTED IT IN THE SAME SUMP WITH MY ETS 800 I also fooled around and change the pump and put a Mag 18 on it it is doing a great job and can take the upgrade in size with no problems I also added elbow to the out put riser pipe THE CONSTRUCTION AND PARTS ARE not bad for the over all cost of this skimmer HOPE THIS HELPS IF YOU CANT SPEND BIG BUCKS ON A SKIMMER THIS ONE WILL DO THE JOB FOR YOU It TAKES too 2 weeks for it too break in so be patient SOD skimmers I have used over the years 3 EURO' CS2 ,CS3, CS12-2 3 ETS ETS 800. ETS 600,ETS REEFDEVIL 2 ASM 2 tunze 1 DELTEC AND 4-5 OFF BRANDS OVER THE YEARS

02/06/2006, 02:59 PM	#103
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	Pcific Coast like Coral Vue and other vendors get their skimmers from the same manufacturer in China. Infact a Coralife Super Skimmer, a Pacific Coast PS100, and a Catalina super vortex skimmer are one and the same. Just different label is all. D.

02/06/2006, 03:24 PM	#105
mr. pluto Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: bay area Posts: 1,191	you can not compare the two skimmers on equal terms. you can only compare the octupus to how close the product competes with the benchmark. which is the deltec. remember it is less pricey & a easier unit to obtain for the masses.

02/06/2006, 04:22 PM	#110
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	I agree though that the Reef Octopus NW 200 (non-recirculation model) is not in the same class as a Deltec and should not be compared as so. A better somparison would be Reef Octopus vs. ASM or Reef Octopus vs. ER in the same comparable models of course. D.

02/06/2006, 04:28 PM	#111
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	Here check them out. The below are all Reef Octopus skimmers http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...S-CVOCT-NW-200 http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...VOCT-VENTU-100 http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...=PS-PCRPS-2000 http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...mid=PS-PC-3000 http://www.customaquatic.com/customa...=PS-PCRPS-3000

02/07/2006, 08:45 AM	#113
ErikS Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VA Posts: 2,199	And let's not forget with PCI you get their "world class" support (sarcasm) I dumped everything made by them because of the poor support (and the products were decent). Everything was "try this, try that....it MUST be your fault". Every single non-answer evasion you can think of......AND....let's not forget it was PCI who spouted the "that's not rust, that's an ion attractor" excuse for having stainless steel inside (& not sealed) a pump. I like to save a buck as much as anyone but no thanks, I'll pass. __________________ It's just my opinion & it's worth exactly what you paid for it

02/07/2006, 12:04 PM	#115
ErikS Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VA Posts: 2,199	Not directly, but that's part of the whole package. Once past 30 days you're off (in general) the vendor's support system & onto the manufacturer. And even at that given the pics - the Octopus doesn't make the bubbles a Deltec does, same as a Deltec doesn't make the bubbles a Bubble King does (the latter two I've seen, the former is just the picture shown). __________________ It's just my opinion & it's worth exactly what you paid for it

02/07/2006, 12:55 PM	#116
tigerarmy40 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: central ca Posts: 1,831	I am actually thinking of trying the larger of the two needle wheel skimmers on my 150 however I have noticed that in all the pics of the skimmate so so far there seems to be a common light brown almost coffee color skimmate and I am wondering if this is due to deisgn(meaning yoiu cant do too many adjustments) or if this a user thing!?!? __________________ The power of moonlight Current Tank Info: 90g rimless tank in the makes and a 15g nano

02/07/2006, 04:01 PM	#117
ReefSalt Dont Take My Word For it Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Montreal,Canada Posts: 612	WOW...."Pacific Coast Imports" does not give good customer support" I dont know who you have been speaking to but I have only recieved the best of support from Steve at PCI,any issues are handeled right away with service not many can give. __________________ Regards Rob my new build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2464054 Current Tank Info: Setup Since Dec 2014

02/07/2006, 04:39 PM	#119
sherm71tank Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,670	That is my DD skimmer cup in the pic. Yes, I choose to skim on the very wet side. The pump that came with it is as near to silent as I would expect possible and adds no heat to the tank (measurable anyways). It makes a very nice foam and the tank ORP is up consistently about 20 points compared to my DIY/Jebo 520 skimmer I put together with the Sedra 9000 NW which worked great. I will also add that dealing with Chinese manufacturers I know they are very good at copying things, especially plastics. I wouldn't say that Octopus has to have an R&D department at all. Why would they when they can just let Deltec spend the money and then copy it? It's not nice but that's how it is. Last edited by sherm71tank; 02/07/2006 at 04:51 PM.

02/07/2006, 07:14 PM	#120
s10willy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 404	I wish that picture impressed me.

02/07/2006, 07:28 PM	#121
arconom Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 2,126	Maybe the Chinese Manufactures should see my Skimmer and use it as the Model. I don't think there using Deltecs as there model for a copy. I think they might be using more like a Prism for there cloning needs. This is set for very wet. I run a BB tank with just SPS no fish.

02/07/2006, 07:32 PM	#122
sherm71tank Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,670	A pic of dry skimmate would impress? Hasn't that been discussed enough? I believe most agree it is better to skim wet.

02/07/2006, 07:35 PM	#123
sherm71tank Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,670	That is very nice. Time will tell whether these new skimmers will make the cut.

02/07/2006, 07:47 PM	#125
sherm71tank Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,670	That is funny. I run a very clean system my friend and the Coralife Super Skimmer 220 I purchased generated NO skimmate when ran beside my Modded Jebo 520. It is easy to jump to conclusions isn't it?