Lion Fish - Leave Them Alone! Let Evolution Begin - Page 2

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:05 PM

No, I'm not. Never go near that crap - I could honestly bash that organization forever. Yes, I'm a vegetarian and love animals way to much, but I would never listen to a word PETA says. I'm a little offended.

Can't we all just get alone?

Amoore311 · 07/11/2008, 12:06 PM

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That's not what I'm even trying to say.

"Lion Fish - Leave Them Alone! Let Evolution Begin"

Where did I ever get that idea from ?

crsswift70 · 07/11/2008, 12:06 PM

LOL.. this from a person that knew they were going against the consensus and general belief of the majority of people on this forum? LOL again. And yes, i think you SHOULD get alone

Lunch is over. Ya'll have fun.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:07 PM

Well, persuade me even more to see that the Lion Fish can't serve any good.

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:07 PM

I am a Marine biologist and I see a few lionfish in our Chevron traps every year. They are dumped into the ocean by aquarist and there is nothing we can do about it. They are too many and they are too deep even if we wanted to eradicate them. There is no evidence that they are diminishing fish populations. There hasn't been near enough caught to even make that assumption.
As for the comment about animals are no different than humans:
1)you are definitely in a minority on that one.
2)I don't feel like arguing this one, but if you feel this way then you should definitely not have an aquarium.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:08 PM

It's not the animal's fault that they are growing larger and larger. Obviously, I don't believe in killing animals, that's all.

welsher7 · 07/11/2008, 12:10 PM

I think you are trying to say that we shouldn't kill/punish the lionfish for our mistake of releasing them. But by releaseing them we are killing/punishing other spieces of fish. How can you justify that it is ok to kill off those native spieces and let the invasive lionfish take over.

The fish are believed to be released during one of the big hurricanes that happened in the 90s. So not all of the lionfish were intentinally introduced. Most of the lionfish that have been caught have been traced back to 7 indivivdual fish through DNA testing.

Amoore311 · 07/11/2008, 12:12 PM

What if a Rabid Coyote/Wolf w/e attacked your kid and made a nice den in your back yard?

I bet all rules would be off the table wouldn't they?

This isn't related to the Lionfish situation, but your jaded belief of "never killing animals" in general.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:12 PM

I'm not here to even argue. Buddy, it's America. And actually, your job isn't to tell anybody who can and can not have an aquarium.

Amoore311 · 07/11/2008, 12:16 PM

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I'm not here to even argue. Buddy, it's America. And actually, your job isn't to tell anybody who can and can not have an aquarium.

What exactly are you here for then?

It's a public forum, if you don't want criticism of your asinine viewpoints start up a blog.

Or one of those cool video blogs the emo kids are doing now.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Amoore311
What if a Rabid Coyote/Wolf w/e attacked your kid and made a nice den in your back yard?

I bet all rules would be off the table wouldn't they?

This isn't related to the Lionfish situation, but your jaded belief of "never killing animals" in general.

If that happened (because Wolves love Florida), then the Rabies Office would be notified by the hospital and I'm quite sure they would take care of it. I can't stop that (euthanasia) from happening and I'm pretty sure I can't stop anything from happening that the government gives the OK on.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:22 PM

What do you think I'm here for?
www.reefcentral.com
Well, I'm guessing I'm here because I have saltwater tanks?

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:24 PM

Obviously I can't tell you to have an aquarium or not, but I can say you are a giant hypocrite for having one. For every fish or coral you have many others died trying to get it to you, so you can cage them and probably shorten their life. It just come down to being human, we try and control nature and thats just how was, is, and is always going to be.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:27 PM

You're very wrong, and quite ignorant with regards to life.

gjh289 · 07/11/2008, 12:28 PM

P.E.T.A. = People. Eating. Tasty. Animals.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:29 PM

You may be right, but then again I could be giving them a longer, better, healthier life than if they were in the ocean amongst predators.

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:31 PM

PETA = fake.

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:33 PM

In the ocean the fish have a chance to breed and create more life. Taking them out the ocean not only lowers the fish population but lowers future populations by not allowing them to breed.

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:34 PM

I am guilty of it too

FlyinggFish · 07/11/2008, 12:43 PM

That's what the government wants to do with the Lion Fish.

GSMguy · 07/11/2008, 12:49 PM

I have nothing to add, but the threads tone and title made me think of this.

we need an "EMO reefkeeper" subform

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:51 PM

I don't think it will work. They are too deep to locate effectively. If we are finding them on our sub dives then they could be everywhere. The sub can only scratch the surface of viable lionfish grounds off our east coast. Just from my experience (remember this is my job) once a fish is introduced and takes off there is nothing that can be done about it. If nature doesn't take care of the problem, you just have to live with it.

corbett_n · 07/11/2008, 12:57 PM

gross pic

fyrefysh · 07/11/2008, 01:14 PM

LOL, funny thread, this shouldn't be in the reefkeeping forum though. Please take your whining elsewhere.

Batfly · 07/11/2008, 03:51 PM

this isn't my opinion just a thought for thought.

according to "Lion Fish - Leave Them Alone! Let Evolution Begin",

humans should be able to do whatever they want to whatever species they want to do it to. Humans are the evolved species. In evolution terms (at least on earth) humans have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt. The common knowledge law for evolution seems to be survival of the fittest. Alligators need guns and more cunning i guess. Lionfish need frequent flyer miles then?

According to the original topic that is,

07/11/2008, 12:05 PM	#26
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	No, I'm not. Never go near that crap - I could honestly bash that organization forever. Yes, I'm a vegetarian and love animals way to much, but I would never listen to a word PETA says. I'm a little offended. Can't we all just get alone? __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:07 PM	#29
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	Well, persuade me even more to see that the Lion Fish can't serve any good. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:08 PM	#31
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	It's not the animal's fault that they are growing larger and larger. Obviously, I don't believe in killing animals, that's all. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:10 PM	#32
welsher7 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 896	I think you are trying to say that we shouldn't kill/punish the lionfish for our mistake of releasing them. But by releaseing them we are killing/punishing other spieces of fish. How can you justify that it is ok to kill off those native spieces and let the invasive lionfish take over. The fish are believed to be released during one of the big hurricanes that happened in the 90s. So not all of the lionfish were intentinally introduced. Most of the lionfish that have been caught have been traced back to 7 indivivdual fish through DNA testing. __________________ Dan Current Tank Info: A rebuilding year.....

07/11/2008, 12:12 PM	#34
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	I'm not here to even argue. Buddy, it's America. And actually, your job isn't to tell anybody who can and can not have an aquarium. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:06 PM	#28
crsswift70 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Spanish Fort, AL Posts: 1,032	LOL.. this from a person that knew they were going against the consensus and general belief of the majority of people on this forum? LOL again. And yes, i think you SHOULD get alone Lunch is over. Ya'll have fun.

07/11/2008, 12:07 PM	#30
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	I am a Marine biologist and I see a few lionfish in our Chevron traps every year. They are dumped into the ocean by aquarist and there is nothing we can do about it. They are too many and they are too deep even if we wanted to eradicate them. There is no evidence that they are diminishing fish populations. There hasn't been near enough caught to even make that assumption. As for the comment about animals are no different than humans: 1)you are definitely in a minority on that one. 2)I don't feel like arguing this one, but if you feel this way then you should definitely not have an aquarium.

07/11/2008, 12:12 PM	#33
Amoore311 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ulster County, NY Posts: 2,521	What if a Rabid Coyote/Wolf w/e attacked your kid and made a nice den in your back yard? I bet all rules would be off the table wouldn't they? This isn't related to the Lionfish situation, but your jaded belief of "never killing animals" in general.

07/11/2008, 12:22 PM	#37
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	What do you think I'm here for? www.reefcentral.com Well, I'm guessing I'm here because I have saltwater tanks? __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:24 PM	#38
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	Obviously I can't tell you to have an aquarium or not, but I can say you are a giant hypocrite for having one. For every fish or coral you have many others died trying to get it to you, so you can cage them and probably shorten their life. It just come down to being human, we try and control nature and thats just how was, is, and is always going to be.

07/11/2008, 12:27 PM	#39
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	You're very wrong, and quite ignorant with regards to life. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:28 PM	#40
gjh289 1* Join Date: May 2005 Location: Port St Lucie, Florida Posts: 388	P.E.T.A. = People. Eating. Tasty. Animals. __________________ IF YOU CAN'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM! Current Tank Info: 150 Reef, 55 g sump/refuge with 50g Frag tank

07/11/2008, 12:29 PM	#41
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	You may be right, but then again I could be giving them a longer, better, healthier life than if they were in the ocean amongst predators. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:31 PM	#42
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	PETA = fake. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:33 PM	#43
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	In the ocean the fish have a chance to breed and create more life. Taking them out the ocean not only lowers the fish population but lowers future populations by not allowing them to breed.

07/11/2008, 12:34 PM	#44
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	I am guilty of it too

07/11/2008, 12:43 PM	#45
FlyinggFish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,042	That's what the government wants to do with the Lion Fish. __________________ Most women buy clothes, I buy corals Current Tank Info: Biocube 29

07/11/2008, 12:49 PM	#46
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	I have nothing to add, but the threads tone and title made me think of this. we need an "EMO reefkeeper" subform __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

07/11/2008, 12:51 PM	#47
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	I don't think it will work. They are too deep to locate effectively. If we are finding them on our sub dives then they could be everywhere. The sub can only scratch the surface of viable lionfish grounds off our east coast. Just from my experience (remember this is my job) once a fish is introduced and takes off there is nothing that can be done about it. If nature doesn't take care of the problem, you just have to live with it.

07/11/2008, 12:57 PM	#48
corbett_n Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 1,271	gross pic

07/11/2008, 01:14 PM	#49
fyrefysh Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 137	LOL, funny thread, this shouldn't be in the reefkeeping forum though. Please take your whining elsewhere.

07/11/2008, 03:51 PM	#50
Batfly Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 43	this isn't my opinion just a thought for thought. according to "Lion Fish - Leave Them Alone! Let Evolution Begin", humans should be able to do whatever they want to whatever species they want to do it to. Humans are the evolved species. In evolution terms (at least on earth) humans have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt. The common knowledge law for evolution seems to be survival of the fittest. Alligators need guns and more cunning i guess. Lionfish need frequent flyer miles then? According to the original topic that is,