lugol's as a preventative dip for new frags?

kolosy · 11/09/2008, 05:23 PM

what's the procedure? should i use it with fresh or with tank water?

i've been doing a simple dechlor tap dip before for corals, but picked up an acro frag, and would like to up the ante a bit.

thanks!

WaterKeeper · 11/09/2008, 05:30 PM

The use of an Iodine dip is somewhat disputed for new frags. I'd say it is about 40/60% in favor of not using one. I will say don't expose the corals to tap water, dechlorinated or not. It won't help, so if you wish to rinse use SW made with RO/DI.

kolosy · 11/09/2008, 05:48 PM

a f/w dip won't help with parasites? or do you mean that i should use ro instead of tap?

i've read a number of times that a f/w dip helps with a good number of parasites due to osmotic shock.

WaterKeeper · 11/09/2008, 05:54 PM

Tis a topic of considerable debate. Many people dip fish and inverts into FW but usually the time involved will not create a high degree of osmotic shock on the parasite. I always feel it may add more stress on the new creature than it does on its potential threats.

JMO

MileHighFish · 11/09/2008, 05:55 PM

i believe FW dips are more for fish and even that is questionable

kolosy · 11/09/2008, 05:59 PM

so what then... nothing? just plop the acro straight into the dt?

i don't have a qt that can adequately sustain a SPS, and i'd imagine few do (at least those of us with <100g setups)

WaterKeeper · 11/09/2008, 06:04 PM

By all means put it into the QT. There you have a chance to observe it for infections without spreading a disease into your display.

kolosy · 11/09/2008, 06:05 PM

uh

Quote:

Originally posted by kolosy
so what then... nothing? just plop the acro straight into the dt?

i don't have a qt that can adequately sustain a SPS, and i'd imagine few do (at least those of us with <100g setups)

MileHighFish · 11/09/2008, 06:56 PM

i would use the lodine.. i have not seen it hurt my frags, but it doesnt rid things like monti eating nudis, red bug etc.

crvz · 11/09/2008, 07:03 PM

Fresh water dips on acro corals are much more likely to kill the frag than anything, and I would not recommend doing so. The only thing I do FW dips with are zoanthid colonies.Loguls is a popular dip, but Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure and TLF Revive are other choices for preventative dips.

shag26272 · 11/09/2008, 07:05 PM

I have dipped hundreds of acros in Iodine and it has never hurt it.

WaterKeeper · 11/09/2008, 07:27 PM

I've never had a tank where I could keep hundreds of Acro's but, as I said, it is a matter of debate. Question; were any of those Acro's you dipped ill in the first place?

shag26272 · 11/09/2008, 07:29 PM

I never said I put them in 1 tank. A preventive dip for new acros as the OP was discussing.

WaterKeeper · 11/09/2008, 07:35 PM

Ok Shag, I believe you.

shag26272 · 11/09/2008, 07:38 PM

BTW, I use the TMPCC. A guy a work with just bought some of the Coral revive, gonna try it out soon.

Oshkosh · 11/09/2008, 07:51 PM

I use pro-coral cure from tropic marin as a preventive dip. I've had very good luck with it

thecoralreefer · 11/09/2008, 07:57 PM

I agree w waterkeeper.
Fw dips stress the corals and do nothing for the parasites.
If you have a qt even if it isn;t properly set up it will be ok for a day or so. Iodine is a good additive but it is the same thing for people as for corals It is a good cleaner but thats really all.
An acro can survive in a dim lite tank for some time if thats your worry. At AIMS they have informed me that Acros alone have 138 or so viruses alone that can kill the piece. This does not include parasites !!! So trying to kill of anything ob you piece is ussually afutile practice. Keep a close eye on the piece for a day or 2. If it responds well after that it probably is a healthy piece. If you do not see anything moving in it that is not an Acro Crab. It probably is a parasite and I would not put it in my tank. But even in redbug
there are some 5 types and only 1 is a "bad bug"!!!
Most meds will ussually send the piece in shock if used to heavily
So be patient and very carful when using them !!!\
Foguls has been widely used as of late But an Acro crab is more natural

tmz · 11/09/2008, 10:42 PM

I agree. Freshwater dips will harm sps and some lps. I've used iodide dips (Lugol's,tmpc) without ill effect but can't say they did any good either, Qt is the way to go.Revive seems mild enough but I'm not sure how effective it is.

kolosy · 11/09/2008, 11:42 PM

thanks everyone. i ended up not doing a fw dip, and did a lugol's dip in tank water. it definitely killed something that was sitting hte frag plug, but i'm quite sure that they were just pods

we'll see how the new arrivals do, and hopefully i didn't introduce anything i'll regret later. i'll have the qt in better shape for next time, it just wasn't really an option this time.

returnofsid · 11/10/2008, 06:18 AM

Not sure if everyone read the same thing I read in the original question or not. For some reason, this turned into a debate regarding FW dips. The original poster was asking about using Lugols...not about doing a FW dip. The question was asked if Lugols should be done using FW OR SW.

To answer your question, it's totally safe, AND a good idea to do a preventative dip of any corals you aren't able to QT. Lugols is a great choice, but keep in mind that there are things that Lugols won't kill. Oh and when you use Lugols, use SW. Here's a good thread that discusses various Preventative Dips.

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/...ad.php?t=39465

tmz · 11/10/2008, 11:45 AM

I think the fact that the question asked wether fresh or saltwater should be used in a lugol's dip imlicity included a question on freshwater dips. Some do combine the two techniques. Performing a freshwater dip and lugol's dip simultaneously which can be harmful to some corals.. I have never had a coral hrmed by a lugol's or tmpc dip in tank water but I think they are of very dubious value as an anti pathogen.

11/09/2008, 05:23 PM	#1
kolosy Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 655	lugol's as a preventative dip for new frags? what's the procedure? should i use it with fresh or with tank water? i've been doing a simple dechlor tap dip before for corals, but picked up an acro frag, and would like to up the ante a bit. thanks! __________________ not yet. maybe someday. Current Tank Info: 90L RR mixed reef, panworld 150ps external pump, t5/mh/led, 20g under-tank sump, 27g above tank sump, 27g fuge with 4" dsb, macro and lr rubble.

11/09/2008, 05:30 PM	#2
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	The use of an Iodine dip is somewhat disputed for new frags. I'd say it is about 40/60% in favor of not using one. I will say don't expose the corals to tap water, dechlorinated or not. It won't help, so if you wish to rinse use SW made with RO/DI. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/09/2008, 05:48 PM	#3
kolosy Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 655	a f/w dip won't help with parasites? or do you mean that i should use ro instead of tap? i've read a number of times that a f/w dip helps with a good number of parasites due to osmotic shock. __________________ not yet. maybe someday. Current Tank Info: 90L RR mixed reef, panworld 150ps external pump, t5/mh/led, 20g under-tank sump, 27g above tank sump, 27g fuge with 4" dsb, macro and lr rubble.

11/09/2008, 05:54 PM	#4
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	Tis a topic of considerable debate. Many people dip fish and inverts into FW but usually the time involved will not create a high degree of osmotic shock on the parasite. I always feel it may add more stress on the new creature than it does on its potential threats. JMO __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/09/2008, 05:55 PM	#5
MileHighFish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NM. Posts: 1,722	i believe FW dips are more for fish and even that is questionable __________________ See "Red House" for pics!! I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. Mitch Hedberg Current Tank Info: Reef tank, 100 gal Lee Mar polished.. 60 sump.. 800 watts mh 20k radium..Ran on "Taiwan HQI Ballast" 330 watt VHO.. 48 watt compacts (dawn/dusk).. sps/lps tank..

11/09/2008, 05:59 PM	#6
kolosy Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 655	so what then... nothing? just plop the acro straight into the dt? i don't have a qt that can adequately sustain a SPS, and i'd imagine few do (at least those of us with <100g setups) __________________ not yet. maybe someday. Current Tank Info: 90L RR mixed reef, panworld 150ps external pump, t5/mh/led, 20g under-tank sump, 27g above tank sump, 27g fuge with 4" dsb, macro and lr rubble.

11/09/2008, 06:04 PM	#7
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	By all means put it into the QT. There you have a chance to observe it for infections without spreading a disease into your display. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/09/2008, 06:56 PM	#9
MileHighFish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NM. Posts: 1,722	i would use the lodine.. i have not seen it hurt my frags, but it doesnt rid things like monti eating nudis, red bug etc. __________________ See "Red House" for pics!! I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. Mitch Hedberg Current Tank Info: Reef tank, 100 gal Lee Mar polished.. 60 sump.. 800 watts mh 20k radium..Ran on "Taiwan HQI Ballast" 330 watt VHO.. 48 watt compacts (dawn/dusk).. sps/lps tank..

11/09/2008, 07:03 PM	#10
crvz Team RC Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: houstonia Posts: 7,989	Fresh water dips on acro corals are much more likely to kill the frag than anything, and I would not recommend doing so. The only thing I do FW dips with are zoanthid colonies.Loguls is a popular dip, but Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure and TLF Revive are other choices for preventative dips. __________________ -Chris- You don't win friends with salad. "Look! They're trying to learn for free!" ... "Use your phony guns as clubs!" Current Tank Info: rectangluar? wet?

11/09/2008, 07:05 PM	#11
shag26272 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 3,088	I have dipped hundreds of acros in Iodine and it has never hurt it. __________________ .

11/09/2008, 07:27 PM	#12
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	I've never had a tank where I could keep hundreds of Acro's but, as I said, it is a matter of debate. Question; were any of those Acro's you dipped ill in the first place? __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/09/2008, 07:29 PM	#13
shag26272 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 3,088	I never said I put them in 1 tank. A preventive dip for new acros as the OP was discussing. __________________ .

11/09/2008, 07:35 PM	#14
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	Ok Shag, I believe you. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/09/2008, 07:38 PM	#15
shag26272 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 3,088	BTW, I use the TMPCC. A guy a work with just bought some of the Coral revive, gonna try it out soon. __________________ .

11/09/2008, 07:51 PM	#16
Oshkosh Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 141	I use pro-coral cure from tropic marin as a preventive dip. I've had very good luck with it

11/09/2008, 07:57 PM	#17
thecoralreefer Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: west palm beach.fl Posts: 440	I agree w waterkeeper. Fw dips stress the corals and do nothing for the parasites. If you have a qt even if it isn;t properly set up it will be ok for a day or so. Iodine is a good additive but it is the same thing for people as for corals It is a good cleaner but thats really all. An acro can survive in a dim lite tank for some time if thats your worry. At AIMS they have informed me that Acros alone have 138 or so viruses alone that can kill the piece. This does not include parasites !!! So trying to kill of anything ob you piece is ussually afutile practice. Keep a close eye on the piece for a day or 2. If it responds well after that it probably is a healthy piece. If you do not see anything moving in it that is not an Acro Crab. It probably is a parasite and I would not put it in my tank. But even in redbug there are some 5 types and only 1 is a "bad bug"!!! Most meds will ussually send the piece in shock if used to heavily So be patient and very carful when using them !!!\ Foguls has been widely used as of late But an Acro crab is more natural __________________ If it can be done I will try. If you say it can't I try harder. Current Tank Info: 29 bioreef

11/09/2008, 10:42 PM	#18
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	I agree. Freshwater dips will harm sps and some lps. I've used iodide dips (Lugol's,tmpc) without ill effect but can't say they did any good either, Qt is the way to go.Revive seems mild enough but I'm not sure how effective it is. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

11/09/2008, 11:42 PM	#19
kolosy Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 655	thanks everyone. i ended up not doing a fw dip, and did a lugol's dip in tank water. it definitely killed something that was sitting hte frag plug, but i'm quite sure that they were just pods we'll see how the new arrivals do, and hopefully i didn't introduce anything i'll regret later. i'll have the qt in better shape for next time, it just wasn't really an option this time. __________________ not yet. maybe someday. Current Tank Info: 90L RR mixed reef, panworld 150ps external pump, t5/mh/led, 20g under-tank sump, 27g above tank sump, 27g fuge with 4" dsb, macro and lr rubble.

11/10/2008, 06:18 AM	#20
returnofsid Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,852	Not sure if everyone read the same thing I read in the original question or not. For some reason, this turned into a debate regarding FW dips. The original poster was asking about using Lugols...not about doing a FW dip. The question was asked if Lugols should be done using FW OR SW. To answer your question, it's totally safe, AND a good idea to do a preventative dip of any corals you aren't able to QT. Lugols is a great choice, but keep in mind that there are things that Lugols won't kill. Oh and when you use Lugols, use SW. Here's a good thread that discusses various Preventative Dips. http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/...ad.php?t=39465

11/10/2008, 11:45 AM	#21
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	I think the fact that the question asked wether fresh or saltwater should be used in a lugol's dip imlicity included a question on freshwater dips. Some do combine the two techniques. Performing a freshwater dip and lugol's dip simultaneously which can be harmful to some corals.. I have never had a coral hrmed by a lugol's or tmpc dip in tank water but I think they are of very dubious value as an anti pathogen. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.