dead tang

chris1404 · 01/20/2007, 08:32 PM

Just had a quick question about a yellow tang that died in my tank. I got him yesterday and added him to the tank by floating the bag for 20 min. or so then slowly I added small amounts of tank water for the next 30 min. Then I dumped all the water into a bucket and scooped him out adn put him in the tank with the lights off for about 45 min. I then turned the lights back on and everything was fine until today when he died. He was at the fish store for over a month and the only thing I found was that my PH was about 8.1. Is that low enough to kill a yellow overnight. I am puzzled by this because all of my other fish and inverts are doing fine.

starmanres · 01/20/2007, 08:44 PM

Sorry for your loss.

Tangs are sometimes difficult creatures. They get really stressed out when things change. I doubt the PH was an issue at all.

Hopefully your LFS will give you credit on it and you can try again. I love my tangs and they are well worth the effort in putting them in.

HTH

Robert

chris1404 · 01/20/2007, 08:58 PM

I doubt they will give me any credit but does it sound like I did everything right. A friend gave me all of his live stock when he got out of the hobby and I did not have one casualty. Just curious what happened with my tang they are supposed to be very hardy.

cstires · 01/20/2007, 09:08 PM

Was it eating at the store? How long was it at the store before you brought it home?

Whisperer · 01/20/2007, 09:15 PM

I do the same thing you do when acclimating any fish but my final step would be dumping much of the water from the bag then slowly add more tank water in the bag about every two to five minutes until about half full. Then I float the open bag in the tank horizontally and let the fish swim out of the bag on his own. I just think the fish will swim out of the bag when he's ready. Also, this method continues to equalize the variables between the bag water and the tank water as the fish transitions from bag to tank. My 0.02.

gudgreef · 01/20/2007, 09:45 PM

It seems to me if a tang makes it past the first 2 weeks, you'll have it for years, no matter how many disasters befall your tank-braken heaters, out of control topoff, etc. Those first two weeks it seems some just die no matter how much care is taken?

drummereef · 01/20/2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by chris1404
I doubt they will give me any credit but does it sound like I did everything right. A friend gave me all of his live stock when he got out of the hobby and I did not have one casualty. Just curious what happened with my tang they are supposed to be very hardy.

Sorry for your loss.

Any decent lfs will have a credit/guarantee policy on livestock. I would give them a call and see what they will do for you.

SeaView · 01/20/2007, 10:46 PM

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Then I float the open bag in the tank horizontally and let the fish swim out of the bag on his own

As far as I know this is not a recommended practice as any parasites, etc that are in the bag water would then be added directly to your tank. Maybe on a QT tank but I would never do this on my display tank no matter how clean I thought the water was.

IPowderBlueTang · 01/20/2007, 10:48 PM

Maybe the salinity from the Lfs was way off compared to your tank and the sudden salinity change too fast ended up too much for the tang! My tanks are kept at 1.025 and the Lfs that I buy from keep their salinity at 1.019, usually takes 2 hours of drip accumulation to raise it to my tank salinity before putting the fish in the tank!

chris1404 · 01/20/2007, 11:06 PM

I still have the fish in the trash I could pull him out and put him in a ziplock I just don't know if they will do anything for me. I guess I've never tried to take anything back or even asked if they have any kind of livestock policy for that matter. But I'll grab him and see what they can do for me. Like I said the lfs I go to dates all of thier fish and I did see him eat there and when I got him home.

msuzuki126 · 01/20/2007, 11:19 PM

I think a drip acclimation is the best way to go.

chris1404 · 01/20/2007, 11:44 PM

Do most fish stores have some kind of warranty I've never looked into it. If one of my fishes dies I just through him in the trash and start over.

scoutmaniak · 01/20/2007, 11:47 PM

yep, drip, drip, drip. But tangs are hardy, so a none drip method would work. Sounds like the tang was really stressed and or an old fish. How big was the tang. If it was really big, it mite have been an older fish and couldnt handle the stress. JMO

Michael

scoutmaniak · 01/20/2007, 11:49 PM

most that I go to have like a 24 or 48 hour period on the fish. One that I go to has a 5 day.

chris1404 · 01/20/2007, 11:52 PM

He was a bigger tang but I've seen slightly bigger, but not much bigger. But I did get him out if the trash and put him in a ziplock. We will see what they will do for me tomarrow, hopefully somthing.

scoutmaniak · 01/21/2007, 12:05 AM

most places are good about it. youll probably need a sample of your water.

jmicky41 · 01/21/2007, 12:24 AM

Hey, sometimes despite our best efforts fish die. It sounds like you did everything right.

SiLkk · 01/21/2007, 01:38 AM

yep sometimes ish happens

BTTRFLYGRL · 01/21/2007, 02:42 AM

What other fish do you have? Any other Tangs in this tank?
Hopefully the Tang didn't die of Velvet or some other parasite...if it did, you may loose more fish..Always best to qt first

hulley · 01/21/2007, 06:38 AM

Sorry for your loss, I believe the YT is the most durable fish you can buy! My has gone from a 20g to a 30g to a 90g and now a 180g that I'm currently setting up! (the smaller tanks were for very short periods of time when my 90g crashed!) And has been quite a trooper! I added a Purple tang when I put him back in the 90g and the two are best buds! Yellows are pretty inexpensive and the LFS should give you another but you'll need to bring a water sample with you. at least you'll know if you have a second opinion on you water parameters! BTW I've never QT'd any of my fish, I just added a small regal tang 3 weeks ago and zero ich! Only because I have the 180g in my house, I just need to finish the stand! I would never have 3 tangs in a 90g! good luck!

Whisperer · 01/21/2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by SeaView
As far as I know this is not a recommended practice as any parasites, etc that are in the bag water would then be added directly to your tank. Maybe on a QT tank but I would never do this on my display tank no matter how clean I thought the water was.

uhmm...hello? I removed as much water in the bag and continued to pour some more water from the tank. Read the whole paragraph, not just the part you want to criticize. And I am not talking about your practice, I was talking about mine.

ninjamini · 01/21/2007, 07:09 AM

I like to slow drip acclimate everything over 1.5-2 hours. Then float them in a bad to get the temp right. I just got one of these and used it yesterday for the first time. Works great. Si much better than tying a air tube in a knot.

Aclimation kit

jessp · 01/21/2007, 08:19 AM

also from what i have read they say never net a tang. always use a plastic container. I think there skin is sensitive and nets could injur there skin.

SeaView · 01/21/2007, 09:22 AM

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uhmm...hello? I removed as much water in the bag and continued to pour some more water from the tank. Read the whole paragraph, not just the part you want to criticize. And I am not talking about your practice, I was talking about mine.

Whisperer, I am not trying to criticize you. Just trying to point out what is the accepted and recommended practice in the hobby. Most, if not all will agree not to allow any water from the bag to enter your system. If the LFS treated there tanks with copper or other chemicals even a small diluted amount could damage an entire reef system beyond repair.

I point this out not to criticize you but so that new hobbiest understand the risk of using your method. There are many ways to do everything in this hobby. By all means do what works for you. But don't attack me for pointing out the potential problems that may not be obvious to everyone else.

d4a2n0k · 01/21/2007, 10:12 AM

What kind of flow do you have in the tank? While a Yellow Tang is a hardy fish, it will be one of the first to go if you dont have enough water movement.

01/20/2007, 08:32 PM	#1
chris1404 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Longmont,CO Posts: 19	dead tang Just had a quick question about a yellow tang that died in my tank. I got him yesterday and added him to the tank by floating the bag for 20 min. or so then slowly I added small amounts of tank water for the next 30 min. Then I dumped all the water into a bucket and scooped him out adn put him in the tank with the lights off for about 45 min. I then turned the lights back on and everything was fine until today when he died. He was at the fish store for over a month and the only thing I found was that my PH was about 8.1. Is that low enough to kill a yellow overnight. I am puzzled by this because all of my other fish and inverts are doing fine.

01/20/2007, 08:44 PM	#2
starmanres Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma Posts: 587	Sorry for your loss. Tangs are sometimes difficult creatures. They get really stressed out when things change. I doubt the PH was an issue at all. Hopefully your LFS will give you credit on it and you can try again. I love my tangs and they are well worth the effort in putting them in. HTH Robert __________________ "I know funny... I'm a clownfish!" Current Tank Info: 120 g RR Acrylic tank

01/20/2007, 09:15 PM	#5
Whisperer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Gorda, FL Posts: 4,020	I do the same thing you do when acclimating any fish but my final step would be dumping much of the water from the bag then slowly add more tank water in the bag about every two to five minutes until about half full. Then I float the open bag in the tank horizontally and let the fish swim out of the bag on his own. I just think the fish will swim out of the bag when he's ready. Also, this method continues to equalize the variables between the bag water and the tank water as the fish transitions from bag to tank. My 0.02. __________________ The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. --------- No one is born with intellect and age guarantees wisdom to no one. Current Tank Info: 120G reef, 30G sump, 10G QT tank

01/20/2007, 09:45 PM	#6
gudgreef Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LaVale MD Posts: 69	It seems to me if a tang makes it past the first 2 weeks, you'll have it for years, no matter how many disasters befall your tank-braken heaters, out of control topoff, etc. Those first two weeks it seems some just die no matter how much care is taken? __________________ goonga galoonga

01/20/2007, 11:19 PM	#11
msuzuki126 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dutchess County, New York Posts: 1,377	I think a drip acclimation is the best way to go. __________________ Red House=My 90 build. Matt. Current Tank Info: 90 rebuild

01/20/2007, 08:58 PM	#3
chris1404 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Longmont,CO Posts: 19	I doubt they will give me any credit but does it sound like I did everything right. A friend gave me all of his live stock when he got out of the hobby and I did not have one casualty. Just curious what happened with my tang they are supposed to be very hardy.

01/20/2007, 09:08 PM	#4
cstires Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,143	Was it eating at the store? How long was it at the store before you brought it home?

01/20/2007, 10:48 PM	#9
IPowderBlueTang Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, Canada Posts: 769	Maybe the salinity from the Lfs was way off compared to your tank and the sudden salinity change too fast ended up too much for the tang! My tanks are kept at 1.025 and the Lfs that I buy from keep their salinity at 1.019, usually takes 2 hours of drip accumulation to raise it to my tank salinity before putting the fish in the tank!

01/20/2007, 11:06 PM	#10
chris1404 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Longmont,CO Posts: 19	I still have the fish in the trash I could pull him out and put him in a ziplock I just don't know if they will do anything for me. I guess I've never tried to take anything back or even asked if they have any kind of livestock policy for that matter. But I'll grab him and see what they can do for me. Like I said the lfs I go to dates all of thier fish and I did see him eat there and when I got him home.

01/20/2007, 11:44 PM	#12
chris1404 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Longmont,CO Posts: 19	Do most fish stores have some kind of warranty I've never looked into it. If one of my fishes dies I just through him in the trash and start over.

01/20/2007, 11:47 PM	#13
scoutmaniak Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Mexico Down In The Desert!! Posts: 500	yep, drip, drip, drip. But tangs are hardy, so a none drip method would work. Sounds like the tang was really stressed and or an old fish. How big was the tang. If it was really big, it mite have been an older fish and couldnt handle the stress. JMO Michael __________________ 15 Gallon Nano 100 Gallon Tek 6 Bulb T-5 Fixture Current Tank Info: 55 gallon FW, 100 gallon Reef and 15 gallon nano

01/20/2007, 11:49 PM	#14
scoutmaniak Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Mexico Down In The Desert!! Posts: 500	most that I go to have like a 24 or 48 hour period on the fish. One that I go to has a 5 day. __________________ 15 Gallon Nano 100 Gallon Tek 6 Bulb T-5 Fixture Current Tank Info: 55 gallon FW, 100 gallon Reef and 15 gallon nano

01/20/2007, 11:52 PM	#15
chris1404 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Longmont,CO Posts: 19	He was a bigger tang but I've seen slightly bigger, but not much bigger. But I did get him out if the trash and put him in a ziplock. We will see what they will do for me tomarrow, hopefully somthing.

01/21/2007, 12:05 AM	#16
scoutmaniak Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Mexico Down In The Desert!! Posts: 500	most places are good about it. youll probably need a sample of your water. __________________ 15 Gallon Nano 100 Gallon Tek 6 Bulb T-5 Fixture Current Tank Info: 55 gallon FW, 100 gallon Reef and 15 gallon nano

01/21/2007, 12:24 AM	#17
jmicky41 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 891	Hey, sometimes despite our best efforts fish die. It sounds like you did everything right. __________________ The bake sale to raise money for the carwash has been cancelled - due to confusion. Current Tank Info: 125 fowlr: 280watts VHO, 75LBS of mixed rock, Deltec AP600 skimmer, wet dry, GRi 518 return pump, 15 watt Aqua UV,(2) tunze 6000 on a 7095, goldflake angel(RIP), flame angel(8 years old), mitratus butterfly, yellow tang, majestic rabbitfsih

01/21/2007, 01:38 AM	#18
SiLkk Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 12	yep sometimes ish happens

01/21/2007, 02:42 AM	#19
BTTRFLYGRL Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDY Posts: 2,857	What other fish do you have? Any other Tangs in this tank? Hopefully the Tang didn't die of Velvet or some other parasite...if it did, you may loose more fish..Always best to qt first __________________ AKA Kim Hardie.. Current Tank Info: 240 gallon FOWLR, 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon for my Dwarf Lion

01/21/2007, 06:38 AM	#20
hulley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In front of my computor. Posts: 592	Sorry for your loss, I believe the YT is the most durable fish you can buy! My has gone from a 20g to a 30g to a 90g and now a 180g that I'm currently setting up! (the smaller tanks were for very short periods of time when my 90g crashed!) And has been quite a trooper! I added a Purple tang when I put him back in the 90g and the two are best buds! Yellows are pretty inexpensive and the LFS should give you another but you'll need to bring a water sample with you. at least you'll know if you have a second opinion on you water parameters! BTW I've never QT'd any of my fish, I just added a small regal tang 3 weeks ago and zero ich! Only because I have the 180g in my house, I just need to finish the stand! I would never have 3 tangs in a 90g! good luck!

01/21/2007, 07:09 AM	#22
ninjamini Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Davie, FL Posts: 2,306	I like to slow drip acclimate everything over 1.5-2 hours. Then float them in a bad to get the temp right. I just got one of these and used it yesterday for the first time. Works great. Si much better than tying a air tube in a knot. Aclimation kit

01/21/2007, 08:19 AM	#23
jessp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 2,747	also from what i have read they say never net a tang. always use a plastic container. I think there skin is sensitive and nets could injur there skin. __________________ i'm jess and i'm an addict! Current Tank Info: No tank at this time :(

01/21/2007, 10:12 AM	#25
d4a2n0k Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,485	What kind of flow do you have in the tank? While a Yellow Tang is a hardy fish, it will be one of the first to go if you dont have enough water movement.