toadstool leather not happy

dexterphi · 04/29/2008, 08:31 PM

My toadstool leather has not been coming out to play the last few days. Everything else in the tank seems happy.

My parameters:
Temp 78
SG 1.026
nitrite/nitrate: 0
ammonia: 0
PH 8.0

The only thing I've changed lately is my lighitng. I increased the lighting per day from 10 to 14 hour per day....

Any thoughts?

SleepyJ · 04/29/2008, 08:49 PM

That's a pretty big jump in lighting. Try bumping it back to ten for a few days, see what happens, then raise it one hour every day.

It could just be a leather being a leather; they get cranky.

How is everything else?

dexterphi · 04/29/2008, 09:00 PM

well.. I bump the lighting back down, but I seem like it has been at least a week since I made the change... He didn't seem to mind it for the first few days.....

Everythning else seems fine....

What about ph?

demonsp · 04/29/2008, 09:01 PM

Yea little to much.
Whats type of food is added to the tank and how often?
Whats used for water flow in there?
A pic of him would helps. www.photobucket.com makes this very easy.

dexterphi · 04/29/2008, 09:16 PM

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http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...31P1030001.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG] http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...31P1030002.jpg[/IMG]

Here are the pics (I hope)

besides the return pump from the sump. I have 2 koralia 3 running in the display tank (one from each side).

demonsp · 04/29/2008, 09:19 PM

What about food type and amount and feeding scedule?

dexterphi · 04/29/2008, 09:21 PM

well.. you have to follow the link, but it works......

As for food. I feed formula 1 flake once a day.

I does just so happen that right before he got grumpy I did add 1/4 tsp of some coral food called coral frenzy. It is supposed to be like cyclopeze (accoridng to the LFS). contains oyster larvae, salmon roe, frish protein, rotifers, copepods, daphnia, dunaliella salina, spirulina, schizochytrium, and haematococcus pluvialis (yummmy yum)....

Flowmaster · 04/29/2008, 09:36 PM

How about some parameters? Is any chemistry out of whack?

demonsp · 04/29/2008, 09:45 PM

You think this is a gold fish. Flake for coral wont work and the other would work in a better balanced diet. I would use 4 or 5 types of food. And nothing works as well as cyclops eze.The fish and coral benifit. I add cyclops every other day with brine or marine cusine or a mix pack. I feed flake in the morning and frozen at night.The amount depends on amount of coral and fish you have.
Then you want good steady flow so the food can pass by them a few times for better capture rate.

Then some marine snow 2 or 3 times a week will benifit pods and some coral.

Gary Majchrzak · 04/29/2008, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dexterphi
My toadstool leather has not been coming out to play the last few days. Everything else in the tank seems happy.

My parameters:
Temp 78
SG 1.026
nitrite/nitrate: 0
ammonia: 0
PH 8.0

The only thing I've changed lately is my lighitng. I increased the lighting per day from 10 to 14 hour per day....

Any thoughts?

Ca/alk are ?
pH might need a bump.
how do you supplement Ca and alk?
leave the Sarcophyton alone for a few days and it will likely "recover".

Toddrtrex · 04/29/2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dexterphi

Here are the pics (I hope)

besides the return pump from the sump. I have 2 koralia 3 running in the display tank (one from each side).

Here are your pictures, you had a space after the first IMG tag.

tmz · 04/29/2008, 11:39 PM

Sacrophyton do close up for a day or two or three every month or so t and shed . A little flow might stimulate it but I would leave it alone for a few days.

Michael · 04/30/2008, 12:34 AM

i had the same problem and eventually worked out that it was when i changed the carbon in my sump, he closed for nearly 3 days every time then he opened back up again, in the end i discovered i stuck too much in too quick, now i still change it regually but dont overload with carbon, probably not your problem but just a thought, because its my experience, im positive it was the new carbon in larger amounts than usual

Flowmaster · 04/30/2008, 04:51 AM

It looks like it is ok to me. I think it may just be slothing. This takes a couple days. I would also recommend adding some more flow.

dexterphi · 04/30/2008, 07:33 PM

Thanks for comments everyone. I'm going to wait a few days and see if things don't improve by themselves. I'll repost in few days if he doesn't improve.

frank2926 · 04/30/2008, 07:44 PM

Check your alkalinity. I have found that softies tend to be very sensitive to low alk ( do not open) Low alk is most likely the reason your PH is low.

dexterphi · 04/30/2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by demonsp
You think this is a gold fish. Flake for coral wont work and the other would work in a better balanced diet. I would use 4 or 5 types of food. And nothing works as well as cyclops eze.The fish and coral benifit. I add cyclops every other day with brine or marine cusine or a mix pack. I feed flake in the morning and frozen at night.The amount depends on amount of coral and fish you have.
Then you want good steady flow so the food can pass by them a few times for better capture rate.

Then some marine snow 2 or 3 times a week will benifit pods and some coral.

Lance:

I'm sorry, but I cannot let a post like this go without making a comment. It may be unintentional, but IMO the above post is inappropriate for the "new to hobby" forum. I understand you are probably very knowledgeable on the subject, but my preference would be that you keep your comments on the positive/helpful side. For instance, the above post would have been super without the "goldfish" comment. I would challenge you to find how that comment adds anything to the post. Instead, I believe this type of post serves to discourage others from posting for fear of asking a stupid question or making a stupid comment in the "new to hobby" forum.

mksalt · 04/30/2008, 07:57 PM

Your toad is just shedding some old skin.

dexterphi · 04/30/2008, 08:07 PM

my dKH is 6 which is down from 7 a couple of weeks ago. I don't really dose anythings to control this. I've nver had to, just regular water changes....

frank2926 · 04/30/2008, 09:26 PM

you should . Low alk and low ph tend to aid bad algae growth. not to mention that the carbonate is needed for coral skeleton growth
start researching some 2 part. 6 dkh is way to low for a reef. 10 dkh
is a good number for a reef. Here is some "light" reading to start
http://home.comcast.net/~jdieck1/chemcalc.html

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php

Aquarist007 · 04/30/2008, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tmz
Sacrophyton do close up for a day or two or three every month or so t and shed . A little flow might stimulate it but I would leave it alone for a few days.

I agree--just leave it alone--your water parameters etc are excellent so no sense taking any action that might really upset it

demonsp · 04/30/2008, 09:32 PM

Goldfish eat flake food. Sorry if i dont beat around the bush. Its a harmless comment. First canada now gold fish hehe. OK im sorry.

Quote:

Originally posted by dexterphi
Lance:

I'm sorry, but I cannot let a post like this go without making a comment. It may be unintentional, but IMO the above post is inappropriate for the "new to hobby" forum. I understand you are probably very knowledgeable on the subject, but my preference would be that you keep your comments on the positive/helpful side. For instance, the above post would have been super without the "goldfish" comment. I would challenge you to find how that comment adds anything to the post. Instead, I believe this type of post serves to discourage others from posting for fear of asking a stupid question or making a stupid comment in the "new to hobby" forum.

tmz · 05/01/2008, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dexterphi
Lance:

I'm sorry, but I cannot let a post like this go without making a comment. It may be unintentional, but IMO the above post is inappropriate for the "new to hobby" forum. I understand you are probably very knowledgeable on the subject, but my preference would be that you keep your comments on the positive/helpful side. For instance, the above post would have been super without the "goldfish" comment. I would challenge you to find how that comment adds anything to the post. Instead, I believe this type of post serves to discourage others from posting for fear of asking a stupid question or making a stupid comment in the "new to hobby" forum.

You are right to be offended.It was rude and disrespectful.
Not to mention the information has nothing to do with the toadstool's behavior and is mostly incorrect. Diversity in feeding is a good thing generally but it's not on point and toadstools don't need very much food anyway.BTW quality flakes or pellets are probably one of the most nutiritious foods you can feed your fish.I do, along with a varity of frozen food and cyclopeeze.

Toddrtrex · 05/01/2008, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tmz
You are right to be offended.It was rude and disrespectful.
Not to mention the information has nothing to do with the toadstool's behavior and is mostly incorrect. Diversity in feeding is a good thing generally but it's not on point and toadstools don't need very much food anyway.BTW quality flakes or pellets are probably one of the most nutiritious foods you can feed your fish.I do, along with a varity of frozen food and cyclopeeze.

I have to concur.

demonsp · 05/01/2008, 01:03 AM

Sorry next time i will put a smiley face to show i was trying to be funny while making a point. And info gave was good advice. Do i smell? Oh yea a little.
Anyway this is an easier coral to care for and starting with its basic needs seemed like a good start. If the only response was :mine does this and is fine" Doesnt mean his will be fine. All you can do is check that the basics are in place before trying or not trying to help fix it. At the same time he will learn more about his tank.
TMZ,you were the last person i thought would think i mean disrepect. Im only trying to help.

Also please tell me what bad advice i gave so i dont do this again.

04/29/2008, 08:31 PM	#1
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	toadstool leather not happy My toadstool leather has not been coming out to play the last few days. Everything else in the tank seems happy. My parameters: Temp 78 SG 1.026 nitrite/nitrate: 0 ammonia: 0 PH 8.0 The only thing I've changed lately is my lighitng. I increased the lighting per day from 10 to 14 hour per day.... Any thoughts?

04/29/2008, 08:49 PM	#2
SleepyJ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Niantic, CT Posts: 425	That's a pretty big jump in lighting. Try bumping it back to ten for a few days, see what happens, then raise it one hour every day. It could just be a leather being a leather; they get cranky. How is everything else? __________________ Justin

04/29/2008, 11:39 PM	#12
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	Sacrophyton do close up for a day or two or three every month or so t and shed . A little flow might stimulate it but I would leave it alone for a few days. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

04/30/2008, 12:34 AM	#13
Michael NTTH Rookie Help Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gloucester, England,UK Posts: 7,808 Blog Entries: 6	i had the same problem and eventually worked out that it was when i changed the carbon in my sump, he closed for nearly 3 days every time then he opened back up again, in the end i discovered i stuck too much in too quick, now i still change it regually but dont overload with carbon, probably not your problem but just a thought, because its my experience, im positive it was the new carbon in larger amounts than usual __________________ Don't be afraid to ask questions, we in the new to the hobby are here to help you [For My Tank Spec,Photo Album,Articles and website, click on my name] MY Very Kindest and Warmest Regards , MIKE Current Tank Info: I have a 92 gal Corner Tank, and way too many pieces of equipment to list really, (proud member of the reef central corner club)

04/29/2008, 09:00 PM	#3
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	well.. I bump the lighting back down, but I seem like it has been at least a week since I made the change... He didn't seem to mind it for the first few days..... Everythning else seems fine.... What about ph?

04/29/2008, 09:01 PM	#4
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Yea little to much. Whats type of food is added to the tank and how often? Whats used for water flow in there? A pic of him would helps. www.photobucket.com makes this very easy.

04/29/2008, 09:16 PM	#5
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	[IMG] http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...31P1030001.jpg[/IMG] [IMG] http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...31P1030002.jpg[/IMG] Here are the pics (I hope) besides the return pump from the sump. I have 2 koralia 3 running in the display tank (one from each side).

04/29/2008, 09:19 PM	#6
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	What about food type and amount and feeding scedule?

04/29/2008, 09:21 PM	#7
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	well.. you have to follow the link, but it works...... As for food. I feed formula 1 flake once a day. I does just so happen that right before he got grumpy I did add 1/4 tsp of some coral food called coral frenzy. It is supposed to be like cyclopeze (accoridng to the LFS). contains oyster larvae, salmon roe, frish protein, rotifers, copepods, daphnia, dunaliella salina, spirulina, schizochytrium, and haematococcus pluvialis (yummmy yum)....

04/29/2008, 09:36 PM	#8
Flowmaster Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 66	How about some parameters? Is any chemistry out of whack?

04/29/2008, 09:45 PM	#9
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	You think this is a gold fish. Flake for coral wont work and the other would work in a better balanced diet. I would use 4 or 5 types of food. And nothing works as well as cyclops eze.The fish and coral benifit. I add cyclops every other day with brine or marine cusine or a mix pack. I feed flake in the morning and frozen at night.The amount depends on amount of coral and fish you have. Then you want good steady flow so the food can pass by them a few times for better capture rate. Then some marine snow 2 or 3 times a week will benifit pods and some coral.

04/30/2008, 04:51 AM	#14
Flowmaster Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 66	It looks like it is ok to me. I think it may just be slothing. This takes a couple days. I would also recommend adding some more flow.

04/30/2008, 07:33 PM	#15
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	Thanks for comments everyone. I'm going to wait a few days and see if things don't improve by themselves. I'll repost in few days if he doesn't improve.

04/30/2008, 07:44 PM	#16
frank2926 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: phila Posts: 1,645	Check your alkalinity. I have found that softies tend to be very sensitive to low alk ( do not open) Low alk is most likely the reason your PH is low.

04/30/2008, 07:57 PM	#18
mksalt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NW Chicago Suburbs Posts: 370	Your toad is just shedding some old skin.

04/30/2008, 08:07 PM	#19
dexterphi Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 55	my dKH is 6 which is down from 7 a couple of weeks ago. I don't really dose anythings to control this. I've nver had to, just regular water changes....

04/30/2008, 09:26 PM	#20
frank2926 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: phila Posts: 1,645	you should . Low alk and low ph tend to aid bad algae growth. not to mention that the carbonate is needed for coral skeleton growth start researching some 2 part. 6 dkh is way to low for a reef. 10 dkh is a good number for a reef. Here is some "light" reading to start http://home.comcast.net/~jdieck1/chemcalc.html http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php

05/01/2008, 01:03 AM	#25
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Sorry next time i will put a smiley face to show i was trying to be funny while making a point. And info gave was good advice. Do i smell? Oh yea a little. Anyway this is an easier coral to care for and starting with its basic needs seemed like a good start. If the only response was :mine does this and is fine" Doesnt mean his will be fine. All you can do is check that the basics are in place before trying or not trying to help fix it. At the same time he will learn more about his tank. TMZ,you were the last person i thought would think i mean disrepect. Im only trying to help. Also please tell me what bad advice i gave so i dont do this again.