Deep Water Anthias Swim bladder

Cutiewitbooty · 12/02/2008, 10:34 AM

I have 3 Odontanthias borbonius anthias and 2 of them are having trouble with their swim bladders. They are really struggling to stay down and i'm assuming that during collecting they wern't brought to the surface correctly. Are they doomed or is there anything that can be done to treat them. They are pretty expensive so if anything can be done i am willing to try. Here is a picture of what the anthias look like.

LobsterOfJustice · 12/02/2008, 11:31 AM

Very pretty fish - I am uber-jealous of your trio. You can vent air from the swim bladder with a hypodermic needle - this is usually how collectors do it. The swim bladder is usually a horzontal organ below the lateral line/spine... but I would guess it's location varies slightly from species to species. I would speak to someone who collects deepwater fish or who is familiar with anthias anatomy. Start with the dealer you purchased from - and if you can work backwards to wholesaler or a collector that would be great.

acrodave · 12/02/2008, 11:45 AM

If the fish are healthy can they get over it them selfs after some time ??

Cutiewitbooty · 12/02/2008, 04:15 PM

It might come down to the needle thing. Anyone know what the success rate of that is? Should i wait and see if they get better for a certine time period first?

chaderic26 · 12/02/2008, 04:48 PM

Beautiful fish.

LobsterOfJustice · 12/02/2008, 05:24 PM

If you are going to go the needle route, I would at least try to talk to someone more familiar with the process (I have never performed it - only heard about it). Try emailing a number of etailers (but not the big places as they will send you a standardized customer service response). At the very least, I would look up fish dissection online, and buy 1 or 2 small fish from the grocery so you can familiarize yourself with the location of the organ.

Mind if I ask where you got them? (You can PM me if youd like).

chrissreef · 12/02/2008, 05:35 PM

Not sure what to say... my twinspot wrasse has some swim bladder thing I think... he's been going (fine, just swims weird) for 2 months. I'd love to help him out if I could, but I'm not 100% sure if this is the issue or what to do.

His body also appears to be "bent" in an S shape, kind of like the bends. hmmm

12/02/2008, 10:34 AM	#1
Cutiewitbooty Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alaska For 18 Years, Now Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 2,795	Deep Water Anthias Swim bladder I have 3 Odontanthias borbonius anthias and 2 of them are having trouble with their swim bladders. They are really struggling to stay down and i'm assuming that during collecting they wern't brought to the surface correctly. Are they doomed or is there anything that can be done to treat them. They are pretty expensive so if anything can be done i am willing to try. Here is a picture of what the anthias look like. __________________ WARNING: Taking my advice may result in personal injury and/or jail time. ~Amber~

12/02/2008, 11:31 AM	#2
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	Very pretty fish - I am uber-jealous of your trio. You can vent air from the swim bladder with a hypodermic needle - this is usually how collectors do it. The swim bladder is usually a horzontal organ below the lateral line/spine... but I would guess it's location varies slightly from species to species. I would speak to someone who collects deepwater fish or who is familiar with anthias anatomy. Start with the dealer you purchased from - and if you can work backwards to wholesaler or a collector that would be great. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

12/02/2008, 11:45 AM	#3
acrodave REEF NERD Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: maryville tn-- work in knoxville Posts: 4,187	If the fish are healthy can they get over it them selfs after some time ?? __________________ Peace,Dave Superman puts on Tim Tebow pajamas when he goes to bed The Heisman as a sophomore nuff said Less technology more biology Tattoos are the only art you can take to the grave Current Tank Info: 26gal bow,20gal mantis tank/fuge150wHQI,20k AB Seio 620 maxijet1200x's 2 on a wave maker. all sps

12/02/2008, 04:15 PM	#4
Cutiewitbooty Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alaska For 18 Years, Now Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 2,795	It might come down to the needle thing. Anyone know what the success rate of that is? Should i wait and see if they get better for a certine time period first? __________________ WARNING: Taking my advice may result in personal injury and/or jail time. ~Amber~

12/02/2008, 04:48 PM	#5
chaderic26 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: OKC Posts: 1,064	Beautiful fish. __________________ Raoul Duke: There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. Current Tank Info: 220 Gallon Shined up Turd.

12/02/2008, 05:24 PM	#6
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	If you are going to go the needle route, I would at least try to talk to someone more familiar with the process (I have never performed it - only heard about it). Try emailing a number of etailers (but not the big places as they will send you a standardized customer service response). At the very least, I would look up fish dissection online, and buy 1 or 2 small fish from the grocery so you can familiarize yourself with the location of the organ. Mind if I ask where you got them? (You can PM me if youd like). __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

12/02/2008, 05:35 PM	#7
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	Not sure what to say... my twinspot wrasse has some swim bladder thing I think... he's been going (fine, just swims weird) for 2 months. I'd love to help him out if I could, but I'm not 100% sure if this is the issue or what to do. His body also appears to be "bent" in an S shape, kind of like the bends. hmmm __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef