Which Method Is Better For Running Ozone In Salt Water Aquarium

Jar*Head · 09/14/2009, 02:00 PM

Good afternoon fellow reefers,

I recently purchase the Sanders Ozone 300mg/h to run in my 500ish total volume system. I need some help to decide which is the best way to inject ozone into the system. I have two options.

Option 1:

Inject ozone into my custom H&S A-400 with 6 Aquabee F-5000. Here is the spec on the skimmer.

16" OD body
65" total heigh
6 Aquabee F-5000 produce 1200-1400lph of air on each pump.
I feed the skimmer approx 1200gph

Finsreef recommend to drill the silencer and inject the ozone into it. I have 2 silencer for the 6 pumps so i plan to drill both silencer and spread out the 300mg/h throughout the 6 pumps.

Option 2:
MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor with CAF and media chamber....

Thank you so much for your time.

BTW, i have read all 3 articles about Ozone. I know it is recommend to run on the reactor because most of the protein skimmer nowadays is too short. But mine is an exception

i hope.. I just want to find the most effective way to run this thing.

Steve

Jar*Head · 09/14/2009, 02:54 PM

bump.... Please advice...

Steve

bertoni · 09/14/2009, 03:09 PM

Another advantage of the ozone reactor is that it's designed to handle high ORP levels, well, hopefully, anyway. I'd ask H&S about whether their product is ozone-safe. If so, it might be possible to tune everything so that the ozone works well.

Billybeau1 · 09/14/2009, 03:13 PM

Steve, I would stick with the ozone reactor. It took me a long time to dial in the delicite balance of ozone injection and keeping my skimmer running efficiently. Even then it changed over time and was a PITA to keep both systems functioning at full capacity.

Jar*Head · 09/14/2009, 03:15 PM

Jonathan, i have check with Finsreef and they said H&S skimmer is Ozone comparable. all their part made out of sch.80 PVC . They said i don't even have to change the air line.

Jar*Head · 09/14/2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Billybeau1
Steve, I would stick with the ozone reactor. It took me a long time to dial in the delicite balance of ozone injection and keeping my skimmer running efficiently. Even then it changed over time and was a PITA to keep both systems functioning at full capacity.

Billy, thank you for the advice. How much water do you recommend to feed the reactor. Last time i feed the reactor with 1000gph and i have to dial the pump back more than half way. Will the eheim 1260 be enough?

Lutefisk · 09/14/2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jar*Head
Billy, thank you for the advice. How much water do you recommend to feed the reactor. Last time i feed the reactor with 1000gph and i have to dial the pump back more than half way. Will the eheim 1260 be enough?

I've used a Mag-9 with that reactor with good success.

Paul

Billybeau1 · 09/14/2009, 04:29 PM

I'm using a Mag 7. Eiether should be fine IMO.

Jar*Head · 09/14/2009, 04:32 PM

Great, thanks for the info guys. I will use Mag 7 or Eheim 1260 with that reactor.

Jar*Head · 09/15/2009, 12:26 AM

Look like i will be getting the same Ozone reactor as Mr ChingChai. Will post picture once i receive the unit. It looks like a very well build reactor from the picture.

Boomer · 09/15/2009, 11:02 AM

What Ozone reactor would that be ? I do not remember Ching giving one but I may have missed it. How well a Ozone reactor is built is not the key, it is how it operates. And most do not operate correctly and have bad issues with "air burping". Even the MTC has a slight air burp but I do not consider it much of an issue.

The one you picked is about the best there is MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor and better if you got the mod opt. version not on Leo's website. The only one better is this one which is way to big, as it is almost 1 foot by 6 feet. To bad they have not built a scaled down version. Both this one and the MTC opt model work off a concept I developed back in the late 80's using atomized air, rather than drip plates and 'bio-balls" or shredded PVC.

http://www.emperoraquatics.com/commatomizer.php

Jar*Head · 09/15/2009, 11:13 AM

Boomer, that one Mr. Ching has is very similar with the PRO240D. I will find the picture tonight. It is in his first build thread toward the middle. it is using spreaded pvc stuff and drip plate. I have bee looking at the Emperor but that is way too big for my need lol

Jar*Head · 09/15/2009, 11:25 AM

Here is the link
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...&pagenumber=13

Boomer · 09/15/2009, 11:41 AM

That is a nice unit and has a new and from what I see, innovate burp control system, the cylinder on the right. I still find drip plates and shredded PVC as the down-fault just like the MTC and most others. Atomized O3 reactors do not need any of that and are more efficient. Also either mechanical -electric or mechanical air operated float switches stop any air burping and such side cylinders are not needed. However, none of these are out anymore and were only made by Lumar Technology long ago. O3 reactors left the hobby kinda and now look like they may be coming back. Both the Emperor and "Si-Am Ocean" are new

Jar*Head · 09/15/2009, 11:48 AM

I think the emperor aquatic reactor look very cook but too big for my system. I can't imagine how much it cost for that monster looking thing. I used to own the MTC and i know exactly what you are talking about.

Canarygirl · 09/16/2009, 04:18 PM

I just bought this system from another reefer in my area:

MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor with CAF and media chamber

I haven't got it set up yet and came over here to peruse the ozone threads.

Steve, does the fact that you are setting up ozone on your system mean that you are "re-quitting" Zeovit?

(I always got a smile out of your "I'm a quitter....but I'm back now" signature.)

I am planning to quit Zeovit myself, as soon as I get this ozone thing set up or shortly before-hand.

THe reefer I bought the system from injected it into his skimmer but I will use the reactor chamber because I'm concerned about ozone escaping into my tank room (refugium, sump, pumps, frag tank) from out of the skimmer. I want to make this set up as safe as possible--particularly because I have no sense of smell and would not be able to detect an ozone odor if there was one.

By the way, I bought an Eheim 1250 to pressurize the reactor chamber because the MTC web page said it required 100-500gph and 5 ft head, IIRC. I hope that's going to be good enough (?)

Canarygirl · 09/16/2009, 04:28 PM

Boomer, that item you linked in your post, the atomizer mod for the MTC....it says at the bottom of the page:

Quote:

We recommend ozone being used with freshwater only.

What are your thoughts on that?

Jar*Head · 09/16/2009, 04:41 PM

Jan, i stop dosing zeovit couple months ago after i realized my NO3 and PO4 going on the opposite direction ^. I have been dosing Brightwell aquatic product but soon enough i will stop that as well and just go with refugium, Ozone, UV and water change instead of dosing all the stuff.

As for the PRO240D i think you will need a pump a bit strong than the eheim 1250 due to head pressure but it may work because i have not try that pump yet.

Canarygirl · 09/16/2009, 04:58 PM

I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you, Steve.

Boomer · 09/16/2009, 05:00 PM

We recommend ozone being used with freshwater only.

Nonsense, we have been using it for 40 years

And way before they used it in FW

the atomizer mod for the MTC

That is not for MTC

Have you seen these Candy ?

Ozone

Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 1: Chemistry and Biochemistry
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-03/rhf/index.php

Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 2: Equipment and Safety
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-04/rhf/index.php

Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 3: Changes in a Reef Aquarium upon Initiating Ozone
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-05/rhf/index.php

Canarygirl · 09/16/2009, 05:20 PM

I read Part 2 of those articles a couple weeks ago and am now reading Parts 1 and 3....

Jar*Head · 09/16/2009, 08:14 PM

Good news, my 150w emperor aquatic U.V will be install in the system this weekend and i will have the Ozone up and running once i get the reactor from Thailand...

Canarygirl · 09/22/2009, 05:38 PM

Steve, hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread again rather than starting a new one...

I wanted some feedback. My friend and I got the MTC Pro240D set up over the weekend. Steve, you were right...I am not able to achieve the 3PSI pressure using the Eheim 1250.

Apparently the pump specs on the MTC website need to be updated.

Question: what is the effect of not getting the recommended PSI in the reaction chamber? Is the pressure needed to get the molecules to "react?" In which case, if I'm not getting it, the ozone is not being used efficiently? Just wonderin'

So, I need to order a new pump. Guess I will go with a mag7 this time.

One thing I may have done wrong is that I rinsed the carbon that I put into the carbon air filter. So now the cotton-type batting that is at the top and bottom of the air filter are a bit wet. Does that sound like a problem? (I can't seem to get the MTC guys on the phone....time zone issues.)

Anyway, after the ORP probe got set up my AC3 was showing ORP at 314. After a little while the ORP started to drop steadily, and went down to 243. By the next morning it was up to 260-something.

Boomer · 09/22/2009, 07:37 PM

Candy

You need the Luft Air Pump. That is by far the pump most of us use.

http://www.2gills.com/store/p/55-Cor...l?feed=froogle

Canarygirl · 09/22/2009, 08:04 PM

I DO have the Luft air pump, and I have it cranked up to the max. But my PSI on the reaction chamber is showing only about 1.5. I was thinking that it must be because the water pump wasn't strong enough....so is the PSI only indicative of the air pressure then, as opposed to water flow through the chamber? If so, the only other thing I can think of is that the air pump is placed about 8 feet away from the reaction chamber. I did that because I wanted to avoid having the O3 generator inside my small tank room. I've got both the generator and the air pump outside my tank room, in the garage.

09/14/2009, 02:00 PM	#1
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Which Method Is Better For Running Ozone In Salt Water Aquarium Good afternoon fellow reefers, I recently purchase the Sanders Ozone 300mg/h to run in my 500ish total volume system. I need some help to decide which is the best way to inject ozone into the system. I have two options. Option 1: Inject ozone into my custom H&S A-400 with 6 Aquabee F-5000. Here is the spec on the skimmer. 16" OD body 65" total heigh 6 Aquabee F-5000 produce 1200-1400lph of air on each pump. I feed the skimmer approx 1200gph Finsreef recommend to drill the silencer and inject the ozone into it. I have 2 silencer for the 6 pumps so i plan to drill both silencer and spread out the 300mg/h throughout the 6 pumps. Option 2: MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor with CAF and media chamber.... Thank you so much for your time. BTW, i have read all 3 articles about Ozone. I know it is recommend to run on the reactor because most of the protein skimmer nowadays is too short. But mine is an exception i hope.. I just want to find the most effective way to run this thing. Steve __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula Last edited by JarHead; 09/14/2009 at 02:09 PM.*

09/14/2009, 02:54 PM	#2
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	bump.... Please advice... Steve __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/14/2009, 03:09 PM	#3
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Another advantage of the ozone reactor is that it's designed to handle high ORP levels, well, hopefully, anyway. I'd ask H&S about whether their product is ozone-safe. If so, it might be possible to tune everything so that the ozone works well. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/14/2009, 03:13 PM	#4
Billybeau1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dyer, Indiana Posts: 12,010	Steve, I would stick with the ozone reactor. It took me a long time to dial in the delicite balance of ozone injection and keeping my skimmer running efficiently. Even then it changed over time and was a PITA to keep both systems functioning at full capacity. __________________ I do not worry about things I can't do anything about Current Tank Info: Picasso Trigger, Racoon Butterfly, Yellow Tail Damsel, Half-Black Angel

09/14/2009, 03:15 PM	#5
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Jonathan, i have check with Finsreef and they said H&S skimmer is Ozone comparable. all their part made out of sch.80 PVC . They said i don't even have to change the air line. __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/14/2009, 04:29 PM	#8
Billybeau1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dyer, Indiana Posts: 12,010	I'm using a Mag 7. Eiether should be fine IMO. __________________ I do not worry about things I can't do anything about Current Tank Info: Picasso Trigger, Racoon Butterfly, Yellow Tail Damsel, Half-Black Angel

09/14/2009, 04:32 PM	#9
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Great, thanks for the info guys. I will use Mag 7 or Eheim 1260 with that reactor. __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/15/2009, 12:26 AM	#10
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Look like i will be getting the same Ozone reactor as Mr ChingChai. Will post picture once i receive the unit. It looks like a very well build reactor from the picture. __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/15/2009, 11:02 AM	#11
Boomer Bomb Technician (EOD) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 11,842	What Ozone reactor would that be ? I do not remember Ching giving one but I may have missed it. How well a Ozone reactor is built is not the key, it is how it operates. And most do not operate correctly and have bad issues with "air burping". Even the MTC has a slight air burp but I do not consider it much of an issue. The one you picked is about the best there is MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor and better if you got the mod opt. version not on Leo's website. The only one better is this one which is way to big, as it is almost 1 foot by 6 feet. To bad they have not built a scaled down version. Both this one and the MTC opt model work off a concept I developed back in the late 80's using atomized air, rather than drip plates and 'bio-balls" or shredded PVC. http://www.emperoraquatics.com/commatomizer.php __________________ If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up Seawater Chemistry, Geology, ID Marine Life, Collecting Science Books, Explosives Technology, Audiophile An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

09/15/2009, 11:13 AM	#12
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Boomer, that one Mr. Ching has is very similar with the PRO240D. I will find the picture tonight. It is in his first build thread toward the middle. it is using spreaded pvc stuff and drip plate. I have bee looking at the Emperor but that is way too big for my need lol __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/15/2009, 11:25 AM	#13
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Here is the link http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...&pagenumber=13 __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/15/2009, 11:41 AM	#14
Boomer Bomb Technician (EOD) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 11,842	That is a nice unit and has a new and from what I see, innovate burp control system, the cylinder on the right. I still find drip plates and shredded PVC as the down-fault just like the MTC and most others. Atomized O3 reactors do not need any of that and are more efficient. Also either mechanical -electric or mechanical air operated float switches stop any air burping and such side cylinders are not needed. However, none of these are out anymore and were only made by Lumar Technology long ago. O3 reactors left the hobby kinda and now look like they may be coming back. Both the Emperor and "Si-Am Ocean" are new __________________ If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up Seawater Chemistry, Geology, ID Marine Life, Collecting Science Books, Explosives Technology, Audiophile An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

09/15/2009, 11:48 AM	#15
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	I think the emperor aquatic reactor look very cook but too big for my system. I can't imagine how much it cost for that monster looking thing. I used to own the MTC and i know exactly what you are talking about. __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/16/2009, 04:18 PM	#16
Canarygirl Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,789	I just bought this system from another reefer in my area: MTC PRO240D Ozone reactor with CAF and media chamber I haven't got it set up yet and came over here to peruse the ozone threads. Steve, does the fact that you are setting up ozone on your system mean that you are "re-quitting" Zeovit? (I always got a smile out of your "I'm a quitter....but I'm back now" signature.) I am planning to quit Zeovit myself, as soon as I get this ozone thing set up or shortly before-hand. THe reefer I bought the system from injected it into his skimmer but I will use the reactor chamber because I'm concerned about ozone escaping into my tank room (refugium, sump, pumps, frag tank) from out of the skimmer. I want to make this set up as safe as possible--particularly because I have no sense of smell and would not be able to detect an ozone odor if there was one. By the way, I bought an Eheim 1250 to pressurize the reactor chamber because the MTC web page said it required 100-500gph and 5 ft head, IIRC. I hope that's going to be good enough (?)

09/16/2009, 04:41 PM	#18
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Jan, i stop dosing zeovit couple months ago after i realized my NO3 and PO4 going on the opposite direction ^. I have been dosing Brightwell aquatic product but soon enough i will stop that as well and just go with refugium, Ozone, UV and water change instead of dosing all the stuff. As for the PRO240D i think you will need a pump a bit strong than the eheim 1250 due to head pressure but it may work because i have not try that pump yet. __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/16/2009, 04:58 PM	#19
Canarygirl Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,789	I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you, Steve.

09/16/2009, 05:00 PM	#20
Boomer Bomb Technician (EOD) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 11,842	We recommend ozone being used with freshwater only. Nonsense, we have been using it for 40 years And way before they used it in FW the atomizer mod for the MTC That is not for MTC Have you seen these Candy ? Ozone Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 1: Chemistry and Biochemistry http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-03/rhf/index.php Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 2: Equipment and Safety http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-04/rhf/index.php Ozone and the Reef Aquarium, Part 3: Changes in a Reef Aquarium upon Initiating Ozone http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-05/rhf/index.php __________________ If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up Seawater Chemistry, Geology, ID Marine Life, Collecting Science Books, Explosives Technology, Audiophile An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

09/16/2009, 05:20 PM	#21
Canarygirl Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,789	I read Part 2 of those articles a couple weeks ago and am now reading Parts 1 and 3....

09/16/2009, 08:14 PM	#22
Jar*Head Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,630	Good news, my 150w emperor aquatic U.V will be install in the system this weekend and i will have the Ozone up and running once i get the reactor from Thailand... __________________ Steve Tankless. Current Tank Info: 480g peninsula

09/22/2009, 05:38 PM	#23
Canarygirl Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,789	Steve, hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread again rather than starting a new one... I wanted some feedback. My friend and I got the MTC Pro240D set up over the weekend. Steve, you were right...I am not able to achieve the 3PSI pressure using the Eheim 1250. Apparently the pump specs on the MTC website need to be updated. Question: what is the effect of not getting the recommended PSI in the reaction chamber? Is the pressure needed to get the molecules to "react?" In which case, if I'm not getting it, the ozone is not being used efficiently? Just wonderin' So, I need to order a new pump. Guess I will go with a mag7 this time. One thing I may have done wrong is that I rinsed the carbon that I put into the carbon air filter. So now the cotton-type batting that is at the top and bottom of the air filter are a bit wet. Does that sound like a problem? (I can't seem to get the MTC guys on the phone....time zone issues.) Anyway, after the ORP probe got set up my AC3 was showing ORP at 314. After a little while the ORP started to drop steadily, and went down to 243. By the next morning it was up to 260-something.

09/22/2009, 07:37 PM	#24
Boomer Bomb Technician (EOD) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 11,842	Candy You need the Luft Air Pump. That is by far the pump most of us use. http://www.2gills.com/store/p/55-Cor...l?feed=froogle __________________ If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up Seawater Chemistry, Geology, ID Marine Life, Collecting Science Books, Explosives Technology, Audiophile An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

09/22/2009, 08:04 PM	#25
Canarygirl Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,789	I DO have the Luft air pump, and I have it cranked up to the max. But my PSI on the reaction chamber is showing only about 1.5. I was thinking that it must be because the water pump wasn't strong enough....so is the PSI only indicative of the air pressure then, as opposed to water flow through the chamber? If so, the only other thing I can think of is that the air pump is placed about 8 feet away from the reaction chamber. I did that because I wanted to avoid having the O3 generator inside my small tank room. I've got both the generator and the air pump outside my tank room, in the garage.