What size sump for 100 gallon

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 10:46 AM

Newbie here. Just started working on a 100 gallon setup and was wondering what size of sump do I need for 100 gallon tank dimension 60x20x20. Input would be appreciated. Thanks Tom

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 10:51 AM

Most people simply use the largest standard-size tank that'll fit in their stand. A 75g (48x18x18) would work in your case.

Joce · 12/07/2009, 10:55 AM

the largest size that can fit! make sure to leave some room for equipment. I have to leave a little space for a chiller under my stand.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 10:57 AM

I dont have that wide of opening 17" is the most I can fit width wise

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 11:26 AM

A 55 would fit (13" wide iirc) but I really detest them for sumps. You want as wide as possible to keep velocity down through bubble traps.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 11:42 AM

any other suggestions??? and also I have another question what would be a good return pump for the overflows I have them drilled for 1" bulkheads

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 11:54 AM

You could go down to a 36" tank but then you'd be worse off. The 55 is probably the best commercial tank, despite it's shortcomings.

How many 1" bulkheads in total?

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 11:59 AM

4 1" in total drilled on the back of the tank

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 12:01 PM

do you think a rubbermaid tote would work as a sump just asking questions???

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 12:02 PM

What sort of equipment will you have in the sump? Will you try to use part of it as a 'fuge?

What sort of equipment in/on the tank for flow besides the sump return? What sort of livestock (i.e. high flow corals, softies, no coral, etc.)?

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 12:08 PM

I want to use it as part of a fuge skimmer heater and return pump and I havent decided on what corals yet

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chef19872002

do you think a rubbermaid tote would work as a sump just asking questions???

Yes, it's been done before. It's difficult because you cannot easily divide the tote up into compartments or use baffles to keep the water level constant - it's pretty much impossible to glue anything to a rubbermaid tote and have it stick, especially since they'll flex a ton when full of water.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chef19872002

I want to use it as part of a fuge skimmer heater and return pump and I havent decided on what corals yet

I'm assuming you'll be doing a submersible return pump since you won't have room under the stand for an external pump. The Eheim pumps are really nice, or a mag 9.5 or something similar to that. Four 1" drains will give you way more capacity than you need, but that will just help with stability and quiet operation.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 12:49 PM

I would like to use a submersible pump yes and I am doing a closed loop on it as well so if I get a snapper 2500 gph pump and a mag 9.5 for the sump should I be good to go???

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 01:25 PM

Yeah, that should be fine - though keep in mind that the snapper is a pretty large pump. If your sump takes up all the under-tank room, you'll need to put that somewhere else.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 02:31 PM

I am thinking about putting all my sump and stuff downstairs what size pump do you think I should have then submersible wise if I have to go up at least 10 feet

likemike99 · 12/07/2009, 02:38 PM

you could also consider connecting 2 smaller tanks. I had a 29gal connected to a 40 gal under my 125. different options

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 03:14 PM

can I see some pics of your sump likemike99

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chef19872002

I am thinking about putting all my sump and stuff downstairs what size pump do you think I should have then submersible wise if I have to go up at least 10 feet

If you're going for a basement sump, then take advantage of the room you'll have and go external. It's easier to get an efficient pump externally, and in general external pumps will contribute less to heating your tank water. Meanwhile submersible pumps (especially those big enough to hit 10' of head and still have decent flow) will generally dump a lot of heat into the water.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 04:16 PM

so recommendations on a pump then I am getting a reefflo snapper pump for my closed loop I just need one for my 150 gallon rubbermaid stock tank. I will go external then and thanks for your input I appreciate it. Tom

der_wille_zur_macht · 12/07/2009, 04:44 PM

Among cheaper pumps, the Gen-X Mak 4 works great as a basement return pump, but it won't be a ton of flow (probably around 600 - 800). Reeflo makes the UNO series which would be great - the UNO Tarpon would probably be around 1100gph at 10' and it's only around 175w. It's expensive though.

chef19872002 · 12/07/2009, 05:01 PM

should I start a thread with pictures of the progress of my tank or should I not???

cdbias2 · 12/07/2009, 05:12 PM

Of course you should.
Pictures are worth 1000 words.
We may see something you didn't mention.

tspors · 12/07/2009, 07:16 PM

I have a 150g in my living room. I have a 12 x 36 x 18 about 30gal sump in the basement with an external Gen-x pump rated @ 2200. I am at about 8-10 feet all is good. Best place for your sump. Easy for water changes. Shut the system down, water back flows into sump drainout 15g and replace, fire up the pump.

Arthurjc · 12/07/2009, 10:54 PM

I was think about a 55 under a 90 gallon don’t know if that would work though.

12/07/2009, 10:46 AM	#1
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	What size sump for 100 gallon Newbie here. Just started working on a 100 gallon setup and was wondering what size of sump do I need for 100 gallon tank dimension 60x20x20. Input would be appreciated. Thanks Tom

12/07/2009, 10:51 AM	#2
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	Most people simply use the largest standard-size tank that'll fit in their stand. A 75g (48x18x18) would work in your case. __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 11:26 AM	#5
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	A 55 would fit (13" wide iirc) but I really detest them for sumps. You want as wide as possible to keep velocity down through bubble traps. __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 11:54 AM	#7
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	You could go down to a 36" tank but then you'd be worse off. The 55 is probably the best commercial tank, despite it's shortcomings. How many 1" bulkheads in total? __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 12:02 PM	#10
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	What sort of equipment will you have in the sump? Will you try to use part of it as a 'fuge? What sort of equipment in/on the tank for flow besides the sump return? What sort of livestock (i.e. high flow corals, softies, no coral, etc.)? __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 10:55 AM	#3
Joce Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong/Toronto, Ont Posts: 107	the largest size that can fit! make sure to leave some room for equipment. I have to leave a little space for a chiller under my stand.

12/07/2009, 10:57 AM	#4
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	I dont have that wide of opening 17" is the most I can fit width wise

12/07/2009, 11:42 AM	#6
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	any other suggestions??? and also I have another question what would be a good return pump for the overflows I have them drilled for 1" bulkheads

12/07/2009, 11:59 AM	#8
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	4 1" in total drilled on the back of the tank

12/07/2009, 12:01 PM	#9
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	do you think a rubbermaid tote would work as a sump just asking questions???

12/07/2009, 12:08 PM	#11
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	I want to use it as part of a fuge skimmer heater and return pump and I havent decided on what corals yet

12/07/2009, 12:49 PM	#13
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	I would like to use a submersible pump yes and I am doing a closed loop on it as well so if I get a snapper 2500 gph pump and a mag 9.5 for the sump should I be good to go???

12/07/2009, 01:25 PM	#14
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	Yeah, that should be fine - though keep in mind that the snapper is a pretty large pump. If your sump takes up all the under-tank room, you'll need to put that somewhere else. __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 02:31 PM	#15
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	I am thinking about putting all my sump and stuff downstairs what size pump do you think I should have then submersible wise if I have to go up at least 10 feet

12/07/2009, 02:38 PM	#16
likemike99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 117	you could also consider connecting 2 smaller tanks. I had a 29gal connected to a 40 gal under my 125. different options

12/07/2009, 03:14 PM	#17
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	can I see some pics of your sump likemike99

12/07/2009, 04:16 PM	#19
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	so recommendations on a pump then I am getting a reefflo snapper pump for my closed loop I just need one for my 150 gallon rubbermaid stock tank. I will go external then and thanks for your input I appreciate it. Tom

12/07/2009, 04:44 PM	#20
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	Among cheaper pumps, the Gen-X Mak 4 works great as a basement return pump, but it won't be a ton of flow (probably around 600 - 800). Reeflo makes the UNO series which would be great - the UNO Tarpon would probably be around 1100gph at 10' and it's only around 175w. It's expensive though. __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

12/07/2009, 05:01 PM	#21
chef19872002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Holts Summit Mo Posts: 123	should I start a thread with pictures of the progress of my tank or should I not???

12/07/2009, 05:12 PM	#22
cdbias2 Appalachian Reef Society Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alum Creek, WV (No more) Posts: 1,433	Of course you should. Pictures are worth 1000 words. We may see something you didn't mention.

12/07/2009, 07:16 PM	#23
tspors Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Appleton, WI. USA Posts: 774	I have a 150g in my living room. I have a 12 x 36 x 18 about 30gal sump in the basement with an external Gen-x pump rated @ 2200. I am at about 8-10 feet all is good. Best place for your sump. Easy for water changes. Shut the system down, water back flows into sump drainout 15g and replace, fire up the pump. __________________ Everything is Good with Moderation. Current Tank Info: 150 Gal Oceanic, 30g Sump, Gen-X PCX-150 2250 gph, Red Sea Clasic Turbo Skimmer, 18w Turbo Twist UV, Ocean Clear Filter w/live rock, Several Buckets,

12/07/2009, 10:54 PM	#24
Arthurjc Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NC Posts: 64	I was think about a 55 under a 90 gallon don’t know if that would work though.