need help!!!

dean87jones · 08/04/2010, 09:33 PM

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What could be kill fish but not my corals and inverts. I know my paremeters are great because my corals are dooing great. I managed to even please my anomene who hasnt mooved once. I lost my blue tang after 2 days of purchase, a sixline wrasse after 1 day, and a false percula after 5 days. I have no clue whats going on

Tuscaquatics · 08/04/2010, 09:35 PM

Did you quarantine that tang before you dropped him in? If not, then I'm betting he brought something in, like ich.

dean87jones · 08/04/2010, 09:46 PM

no!!!
and i was dreading the fact that this was probly the reason
can ich or other parasites kill this quickly??

Tuscaquatics · 08/04/2010, 09:49 PM

Yes they can, especially when you factor in the stress that accompanies the introduction of new fish to the tank.

I had the same thing happen to me as a noob when I added a powder brown tang without QTing him. When it was over, I lost everything except a damsel. It happened before I could realize what was happening and save them.

dean87jones · 08/04/2010, 09:55 PM

can ich affect inverts as well?

Tuscaquatics · 08/04/2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dean87jones

can ich affect inverts as well?

No, it will not. So, basically, if you now have ich, and all your fish are dead, you really need to leave the tank without fish for about 6 weeks to eradicate the parasite. During this time you can have inverts in there, though, including corals.

thegrun · 08/04/2010, 10:32 PM

Just because your corals look fine does not insure that your water is okay, you need to test your water. That said, the tank appears to be much to small for a tang, especially a blue. Tangs under stress will almost always come down with ich, killing the tang along with its tank mates.

2Addicted · 08/04/2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegrun

just because your corals look fine does not insure that your water is okay, you need to test your water. That said, the tank appears to be much to small for a tang, especially a blue. Tangs under stress will almost always come down with ich, killing the tang along with its tank mates.

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Tuscaquatics · 08/04/2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thegrun

Just because your corals look fine does not insure that your water is okay, you need to test your water. That said, the tank appears to be much to small for a tang, especially a blue. Tangs under stress will almost always come down with ich, killing the tang along with its tank mates.

Thanks for bringing that up. I was getting ready to come back in here and ask him about his water quality. Ich isn't the only possibility, it just jumped out when I saw the hippo. If nothing else, poor water quality can just add to stress and speed up the ich.

steelhead77 · 08/05/2010, 12:06 AM

OK. Ich is not the only thing that will kill fish and in fact it usually does NOT kill fish within a day or two. Oftentimes it takes awhile for ich to kill a fish if it kills at all. Sometimes fish just die. Oftentimes for different reasons. If the OP got all the fish from the same LFS, something could be going on there. He needs to test his parameters and post numbers. The one thing he should NOT do is panic and think he has ich or some other disease because someone here told him so, and take drastic measures before he finds out exatly what's going on. He should slow down, take a step back and test everything and tell us more about his tank; how long has it been set up etc.

dean87jones · 08/05/2010, 01:14 AM

I'm not just going by the fact that my corals look good....i test my water 2x a week, ammonia n nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 5. That statement i make bout my corals being good is only 2 reinforce
The fact that my water must be good

Bugzme · 08/05/2010, 05:53 AM

How do you acclimate your new fish?

dean87jones · 08/05/2010, 09:12 AM

I first let the bag sit in the water for 15 mins to equalize the temp. Then I fold the bad to create an air lip and I then add 1/2 cup of tank water in the bag every 5 mins till the bag is near full or at least 4 times. Then I add the fish or invert in and throw away the poop filled water.

If you notice in the pic of the blue tang. U can see this very pick parasite thing attached. It looked like an isopod.. but im not sure. The tang was ramming into walls and rocks trying to get it off.

Also in regards to my tank specs.
Its 60 gallons
80lbs of live rock from and established tank
probley 40 to 60 lbs of live sand

steelhead77 · 08/05/2010, 09:38 AM

How old is your tank? Did you buy all the fish from the same vendor? Nitrates of 5 (while not harmful to fish) suggest that your tank is still going thru the cycle, especially if you have had no livestock in there other than the dying fish. You might try acclimating a little slower. In addition to floating the bag for temp acclimation, the rule of thumb that I use is every 15 minutes or so, pour out about half the water from the bag and add some from the tank. I do this over the course of an hour or so and have never lost a fish due to acclimation issues. I think you need to give more time for the fish to acclimate to the new water.

dean87jones · 08/05/2010, 09:54 AM

tank is about 2.5 weeks old. I know ur gonna tell me its way to early!.. but i also know(and plz correct me if im wrong) since my rock and half the sand came from an established tank, that my cycle would be much shorter... if any. I also added a bottle of nitrifying bacteria the 2nd day as recommended by the LFS. I tested water every day first 1.5 weeks and noticed no ammonia and no nitrite. I had a few damsils in the tank at that time. Now i check water EOD and notice the same. nitrate is between 5 n 10... its very difficult to notice what the exact nitrate is since the color on the card is very very similar at 5 n 10.

As for live stock i purchased from different stores.

chimmike · 08/05/2010, 11:18 AM

I can't believe I'm the first to say this, but that tank is too small for a tang of any kind.

Saltyllama · 08/05/2010, 12:55 PM

Your tank = too young and too small for a regal/hippo tang

I'd feel bad tossing a clown in a tank that is 2 1/2 weeks old, let alone a tang that is WELL KNOWN to easily stress and die.

You need to work on your husbandry. Take it slow if you want a successful system. Research EVERY fish BEFORE buying. If you do not you will be throwing money away, and killing living creatures for no reason.

You need to get a nice hard cycle going. Don't add anymore fish. Toss some fish food in and test water every two days waiting for a spike. Then once everything settles to 0 wait another week and THEN start adding a fish or two that you have fully researched and are confident will do well in your system.

Good luck!

08/04/2010, 09:33 PM	#1
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	need help!!! [IMG][/IMG] What could be kill fish but not my corals and inverts. I know my paremeters are great because my corals are dooing great. I managed to even please my anomene who hasnt mooved once. I lost my blue tang after 2 days of purchase, a sixline wrasse after 1 day, and a false percula after 5 days. I have no clue whats going on

08/05/2010, 12:06 AM	#10
steelhead77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,117	OK. Ich is not the only thing that will kill fish and in fact it usually does NOT kill fish within a day or two. Oftentimes it takes awhile for ich to kill a fish if it kills at all. Sometimes fish just die. Oftentimes for different reasons. If the OP got all the fish from the same LFS, something could be going on there. He needs to test his parameters and post numbers. The one thing he should NOT do is panic and think he has ich or some other disease because someone here told him so, and take drastic measures before he finds out exatly what's going on. He should slow down, take a step back and test everything and tell us more about his tank; how long has it been set up etc. __________________ This really isn't rocket science - it's more like marine biology. Current tank info: 180 gallon AGA, 40 gallon custom sump, AquaC EV240 skimmer, PM calc reactor, 3x 250w DIY MH, PCI CL-650 Chiller, 2x Koralia 4's, 2x Koralia 2's

08/05/2010, 09:38 AM	#14
steelhead77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,117	How old is your tank? Did you buy all the fish from the same vendor? Nitrates of 5 (while not harmful to fish) suggest that your tank is still going thru the cycle, especially if you have had no livestock in there other than the dying fish. You might try acclimating a little slower. In addition to floating the bag for temp acclimation, the rule of thumb that I use is every 15 minutes or so, pour out about half the water from the bag and add some from the tank. I do this over the course of an hour or so and have never lost a fish due to acclimation issues. I think you need to give more time for the fish to acclimate to the new water. __________________ This really isn't rocket science - it's more like marine biology. Current tank info: 180 gallon AGA, 40 gallon custom sump, AquaC EV240 skimmer, PM calc reactor, 3x 250w DIY MH, PCI CL-650 Chiller, 2x Koralia 4's, 2x Koralia 2's

08/05/2010, 11:18 AM	#16
chimmike oxygen abuser Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Parrish, FL Posts: 5,089 Blog Entries: 2	I can't believe I'm the first to say this, but that tank is too small for a tang of any kind. __________________ -Mike Tankless wonder Geaux Noles!

08/04/2010, 09:35 PM	#2
Tuscaquatics Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 1,324	Did you quarantine that tang before you dropped him in? If not, then I'm betting he brought something in, like ich.

08/04/2010, 09:46 PM	#3
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	no!!! and i was dreading the fact that this was probly the reason can ich or other parasites kill this quickly??

08/04/2010, 09:49 PM	#4
Tuscaquatics Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 1,324	Yes they can, especially when you factor in the stress that accompanies the introduction of new fish to the tank. I had the same thing happen to me as a noob when I added a powder brown tang without QTing him. When it was over, I lost everything except a damsel. It happened before I could realize what was happening and save them.

08/04/2010, 09:55 PM	#5
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	can ich affect inverts as well?

08/04/2010, 10:32 PM	#7
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	Just because your corals look fine does not insure that your water is okay, you need to test your water. That said, the tank appears to be much to small for a tang, especially a blue. Tangs under stress will almost always come down with ich, killing the tang along with its tank mates.

08/05/2010, 01:14 AM	#11
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	I'm not just going by the fact that my corals look good....i test my water 2x a week, ammonia n nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 5. That statement i make bout my corals being good is only 2 reinforce The fact that my water must be good

08/05/2010, 05:53 AM	#12
Bugzme Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: salt lake,utah Posts: 233	How do you acclimate your new fish?

08/05/2010, 09:12 AM	#13
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	I first let the bag sit in the water for 15 mins to equalize the temp. Then I fold the bad to create an air lip and I then add 1/2 cup of tank water in the bag every 5 mins till the bag is near full or at least 4 times. Then I add the fish or invert in and throw away the poop filled water. If you notice in the pic of the blue tang. U can see this very pick parasite thing attached. It looked like an isopod.. but im not sure. The tang was ramming into walls and rocks trying to get it off. Also in regards to my tank specs. Its 60 gallons 80lbs of live rock from and established tank probley 40 to 60 lbs of live sand

08/05/2010, 09:54 AM	#15
dean87jones Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	tank is about 2.5 weeks old. I know ur gonna tell me its way to early!.. but i also know(and plz correct me if im wrong) since my rock and half the sand came from an established tank, that my cycle would be much shorter... if any. I also added a bottle of nitrifying bacteria the 2nd day as recommended by the LFS. I tested water every day first 1.5 weeks and noticed no ammonia and no nitrite. I had a few damsils in the tank at that time. Now i check water EOD and notice the same. nitrate is between 5 n 10... its very difficult to notice what the exact nitrate is since the color on the card is very very similar at 5 n 10. As for live stock i purchased from different stores.

08/05/2010, 12:55 PM	#17
Saltyllama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 283	Your tank = too young and too small for a regal/hippo tang I'd feel bad tossing a clown in a tank that is 2 1/2 weeks old, let alone a tang that is WELL KNOWN to easily stress and die. You need to work on your husbandry. Take it slow if you want a successful system. Research EVERY fish BEFORE buying. If you do not you will be throwing money away, and killing living creatures for no reason. You need to get a nice hard cycle going. Don't add anymore fish. Toss some fish food in and test water every two days waiting for a spike. Then once everything settles to 0 wait another week and THEN start adding a fish or two that you have fully researched and are confident will do well in your system. Good luck!