Vortechs or Tunze for Cross Flow

mattiej · 09/13/2011, 10:03 AM

I have a 265 SPS reef that currently has two 6105 and two 6045 (non-controllable) for flow. I am considering adding two more pumps to the back of the tank to push water towards the front and perpendicular to the 6105. Which would be better for this Tunze 6055 or mp10ES? I know the 6055 can be swiveled to just about any direction but can the mp10 be changed?

lordofthereef · 09/13/2011, 10:05 AM

Mp10 can't be swiveled, but the flow is very broad. IMO you get the BEST out of your mp10 if they are in sync with other larger vortechs though.

TruespeedEM1 · 09/13/2011, 10:06 AM

mp10 is set and cannot be swiveled, but it will produce a broader flow near the pump. The tunze will be more narrow towards a certain spot and produce good flow as well. (this is just my interpretation of the huge Tunze v Vortech ordeal thats been going on, and I think this was the general consensus of that debate, provided with the die tests that were used)

If you've already gotten 4 tunzes, why not grab some cheaper koralias to supplement flow back there. It sounds like you dont need much

mattiej · 09/13/2011, 10:08 AM

I am leaning toward a controllable pump that can be dialed back should the flow be too much. Might go with the 6055 as I can run them off the 7095 controller I already have. Thanks for the info.

TruespeedEM1 · 09/13/2011, 10:13 AM

True, like mentioned above the vortech would be more efficient for you if you had other vortech products, but it would definitely make more sense to go with the Tunze because you have the ability to control it

reefsurfing · 09/13/2011, 12:50 PM

If I was going to put a Tunze on my back wall I would look at the new 6095 as its pretty broad like the vortech and will cover much more area. They changed the diameter on the flow nozzle to be much more like the 6105 rather than a nanostream. Otherwise go with the real MC Coy and grab the MP10 either way you will be happy. I am just not a fan of cords in my tanks so I like the latter of the two but I might try Tunzes newest brain child; the 6095.

Useful_Idiot · 09/13/2011, 01:17 PM

Don't forget the mp10's don't stick well to glass thicker than 3/8. Sometimes they do if you support the motor side well. And sometimes the wet side will start spinning. And other people have no problems. Just sayin.

RGibson · 09/13/2011, 01:53 PM

6055 would be the pump to get .

jamesdawson · 09/13/2011, 03:08 PM

IME the best thing you or any reefer could do to get better flow is either buy or make a devise to rotate your propeller pump inside the tank.

I.e., the newly shown at Macna Sea Sweep by Sea Swirl or the improved Wavy Seas now sold as the Vertex Mocean.

Most Prop pumps put out plenty of flow its just not getting everywhere and this is where having a rotation device really makes a difference.

Also, if you can afford it, a Wavebox in conjunction with some prop pumps also does a great job of getting some flow everywhere and debris suspended for removal by the drains.

96p993 · 09/13/2011, 03:28 PM

I wish they would start looking into making powerheads/pumps smaller. Im (like many) very big on keeping my tank clean on the inside and the outside, from the pics it looks like the Vertex is huge. Im not saying it doesnt do its job but aesthetics must be taken into account...The Vortechs have the right idea, but more can be done to get these things smaller

rehab · 09/13/2011, 05:33 PM

How thick is your tank? At 265g i'm asuming it is at 3/4" thick. MP10es only work up to 5/8" thickness glass so be carefull.

mattiej · 09/14/2011, 06:51 AM

The glass is nearly 3/4" thick and I have read that the mp10 have trouble holding at this size. Any body have any idea where I can find the 6095? Does the Mocean use the returns from the main pump or does it rotate a powerhead within the tank? Will have to do a bit more research before I make a purchase.

James77 · 09/14/2011, 06:58 AM

You can't yet

. Its due out the end of this month. I would call larger retailers like AquaCave or Marine Deopt to see if you can pre order it.

jamesdawson · 09/14/2011, 10:48 AM

Mattiej,

The MoCean can rotate the return line or with a tunze bracket rotate a tunze. I don't know if it can do both at the same time.

09/13/2011, 10:03 AM	#1
mattiej Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thorndale, PA Posts: 495	Vortechs or Tunze for Cross Flow I have a 265 SPS reef that currently has two 6105 and two 6045 (non-controllable) for flow. I am considering adding two more pumps to the back of the tank to push water towards the front and perpendicular to the 6105. Which would be better for this Tunze 6055 or mp10ES? I know the 6055 can be swiveled to just about any direction but can the mp10 be changed? __________________ I don't need to eat as long as my tanks look good! Current Tank Info: 200 SPS, 1200 Scyliorhinus retifer and S. canicula, Shark Lagoon

09/13/2011, 10:08 AM	#4
mattiej Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thorndale, PA Posts: 495	I am leaning toward a controllable pump that can be dialed back should the flow be too much. Might go with the 6055 as I can run them off the 7095 controller I already have. Thanks for the info. __________________ I don't need to eat as long as my tanks look good! Current Tank Info: 200 SPS, 1200 Scyliorhinus retifer and S. canicula, Shark Lagoon

09/13/2011, 12:50 PM	#6
reefsurfing Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 499	If I was going to put a Tunze on my back wall I would look at the new 6095 as its pretty broad like the vortech and will cover much more area. They changed the diameter on the flow nozzle to be much more like the 6105 rather than a nanostream. Otherwise go with the real MC Coy and grab the MP10 either way you will be happy. I am just not a fan of cords in my tanks so I like the latter of the two but I might try Tunzes newest brain child; the 6095. Last edited by reefsurfing; 09/13/2011 at 12:58 PM.

09/13/2011, 01:17 PM	#7
Useful_Idiot Artificially Intelligent Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Farmington, CT Posts: 1,188	Don't forget the mp10's don't stick well to glass thicker than 3/8. Sometimes they do if you support the motor side well. And sometimes the wet side will start spinning. And other people have no problems. Just sayin. __________________ Patrick Current Tank Info: 150 DD

09/13/2011, 01:53 PM	#8
RGibson RGibson Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,377	6055 would be the pump to get . __________________ RGibson

09/13/2011, 10:05 AM	#2
lordofthereef One reef to rule them all Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Leominster, MA Posts: 5,299	Mp10 can't be swiveled, but the flow is very broad. IMO you get the BEST out of your mp10 if they are in sync with other larger vortechs though.

09/13/2011, 10:06 AM	#3
TruespeedEM1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 255	mp10 is set and cannot be swiveled, but it will produce a broader flow near the pump. The tunze will be more narrow towards a certain spot and produce good flow as well. (this is just my interpretation of the huge Tunze v Vortech ordeal thats been going on, and I think this was the general consensus of that debate, provided with the die tests that were used) If you've already gotten 4 tunzes, why not grab some cheaper koralias to supplement flow back there. It sounds like you dont need much

09/13/2011, 10:13 AM	#5
TruespeedEM1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 255	True, like mentioned above the vortech would be more efficient for you if you had other vortech products, but it would definitely make more sense to go with the Tunze because you have the ability to control it

09/13/2011, 03:08 PM	#9
jamesdawson Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I AM THE SEA Posts: 1,303	IME the best thing you or any reefer could do to get better flow is either buy or make a devise to rotate your propeller pump inside the tank. I.e., the newly shown at Macna Sea Sweep by Sea Swirl or the improved Wavy Seas now sold as the Vertex Mocean. Most Prop pumps put out plenty of flow its just not getting everywhere and this is where having a rotation device really makes a difference. Also, if you can afford it, a Wavebox in conjunction with some prop pumps also does a great job of getting some flow everywhere and debris suspended for removal by the drains. __________________ Old Reefers Never Die, they just...join the crew! Current Tank Info: I'm expanding my reach Last edited by jamesdawson; 09/13/2011 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Addition

09/13/2011, 03:28 PM	#10
96p993 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mckinney, Tx Posts: 1,130	I wish they would start looking into making powerheads/pumps smaller. Im (like many) very big on keeping my tank clean on the inside and the outside, from the pics it looks like the Vertex is huge. Im not saying it doesnt do its job but aesthetics must be taken into account...The Vortechs have the right idea, but more can be done to get these things smaller

09/13/2011, 05:33 PM	#11
rehab Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88	How thick is your tank? At 265g i'm asuming it is at 3/4" thick. MP10es only work up to 5/8" thickness glass so be carefull.

09/14/2011, 06:51 AM	#12
mattiej Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thorndale, PA Posts: 495	The glass is nearly 3/4" thick and I have read that the mp10 have trouble holding at this size. Any body have any idea where I can find the 6095? Does the Mocean use the returns from the main pump or does it rotate a powerhead within the tank? Will have to do a bit more research before I make a purchase. __________________ I don't need to eat as long as my tanks look good! Current Tank Info: 200 SPS, 1200 Scyliorhinus retifer and S. canicula, Shark Lagoon Last edited by mattiej; 09/14/2011 at 06:58 AM.

09/14/2011, 06:58 AM	#13
James77 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 8,158	You can't yet . Its due out the end of this month. I would call larger retailers like AquaCave or Marine Deopt to see if you can pre order it. __________________ Jim Current Tank Info: 120g Mixed Reef and 75g Freshwater

09/14/2011, 10:48 AM	#14
jamesdawson Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I AM THE SEA Posts: 1,303	Mattiej, The MoCean can rotate the return line or with a tunze bracket rotate a tunze. I don't know if it can do both at the same time. __________________ Old Reefers Never Die, they just...join the crew! Current Tank Info: I'm expanding my reach

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