Double checking my logic

Theokie · 05/26/2013, 10:13 PM

My first Saltwater system, 4 yrs in the making after 25 yrs of freshwater

To start the cycle on my system, (150+40 Display, 75 Refugium, 55 used as sump, with 20 gallon above tank pod fuge), I bought live rock from 3 established tanks for a total of 225 lbs, I added 150lbs of new sand to the various tanks. I then threw in a raw shrimp to provide ammonia, as well as 3 cubes frozen brine

Over the course of 3 days I could never detect ammonia with either an intank badge or a Red Sea test kit.

I then went on a work trip for 9 days. Over the nine days the algae bloomed in the tank to a lovely green and red hairy mess my other half sent me photos as the bloom progressed to ease my worry while I was away.

When I got home I tested for nitrate and phosphate with Red Sea test kits, both read zero. Doubting the kits I bought Hanna Checkers for each and again, results were zero.

My question is, with all established live rock, did I miss the cycle? As well did this initial bloom of algae suck up all the nitrate and phosphate?

Would it be safe to start introducing a few snails or am I jumping the gun here?

Running a reef octopus Diablo 10" Dc skimmer that had about an inch of dark black gunk when I got home as well as an ATO controlled by an Apex. All water is made from RO/DI at 0 TDS with Reef Crystals Salt. Salinty checked with refractometer. Temp at 78

The fuge only as live rock in the dark right now installing an ATS in the next week, along with fuge lights for macros, mangroves and Xenia

Any and all advice appreciated

bnumair · 05/27/2013, 12:29 AM

with all live rock and established live rock u may not see a cycle. u can double sure urself by adding couple of deli shrimp to ur tank and check for ammonia next day. if none take the shrimp out and ur tank is ready.
Nitrates and phos can be consumed by algae lot faster than ur test kit can pick up.
good luck and welcome to this hobby.

sjwitt · 05/27/2013, 04:56 AM

I would say you're safe to add snails and your Clean Up Crew.

thegrun · 05/27/2013, 06:45 AM

I wouldn't expect you to have a cycle with the way you set up your tank, you are safe to add your cuc and first fish after they have been through quarantine.

KeepNitReel · 05/27/2013, 06:59 AM

If you really want to make sure your tank is cycled. Try dosing 5ppm of pure ammonia (I use ace hardware janitorial ammonia)
However it sound like your tank is already cycled, so I wouldn't even bother.

Cloudburst2000 · 05/28/2013, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatasshaAnna

how can cycle the water faster?

You don't cycle the water. The cycle is the good bacteria building up on your rocks. You can experience a quicker cycle if you use more live rock and opposed to dry rock. Using more live rock will be more expensive though. A good way to kick start the cycle once you have your rock and water in the aquarium is to chuch a deli shrimp in the aquarium to decay. This gives a good source of ammonia to start the cycle.

Fizz71 · 05/28/2013, 08:39 AM

+1 on the others saying you're already cycled. You could lose a whole fish in 225lbs of live rock and not see ammonia.

..especially since the bacteria are probably starving to death at this point.

oscarinw · 05/29/2013, 08:32 AM

Only assuming all your rock was wet when introduced and didn't see die-off, I would totally agree on that you have a cycled tank my friend. Happy stocking.
Sounds like a nice setup too so please delight us with a pic or 2.
Good luck with things!

05/26/2013, 10:13 PM	#1
Theokie Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Near Edmonton Ab Posts: 166	Double checking my logic My first Saltwater system, 4 yrs in the making after 25 yrs of freshwater To start the cycle on my system, (150+40 Display, 75 Refugium, 55 used as sump, with 20 gallon above tank pod fuge), I bought live rock from 3 established tanks for a total of 225 lbs, I added 150lbs of new sand to the various tanks. I then threw in a raw shrimp to provide ammonia, as well as 3 cubes frozen brine Over the course of 3 days I could never detect ammonia with either an intank badge or a Red Sea test kit. I then went on a work trip for 9 days. Over the nine days the algae bloomed in the tank to a lovely green and red hairy mess my other half sent me photos as the bloom progressed to ease my worry while I was away. When I got home I tested for nitrate and phosphate with Red Sea test kits, both read zero. Doubting the kits I bought Hanna Checkers for each and again, results were zero. My question is, with all established live rock, did I miss the cycle? As well did this initial bloom of algae suck up all the nitrate and phosphate? Would it be safe to start introducing a few snails or am I jumping the gun here? Running a reef octopus Diablo 10" Dc skimmer that had about an inch of dark black gunk when I got home as well as an ATO controlled by an Apex. All water is made from RO/DI at 0 TDS with Reef Crystals Salt. Salinty checked with refractometer. Temp at 78 The fuge only as live rock in the dark right now installing an ATS in the next week, along with fuge lights for macros, mangroves and Xenia Any and all advice appreciated

05/27/2013, 12:29 AM	#2
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	with all live rock and established live rock u may not see a cycle. u can double sure urself by adding couple of deli shrimp to ur tank and check for ammonia next day. if none take the shrimp out and ur tank is ready. Nitrates and phos can be consumed by algae lot faster than ur test kit can pick up. good luck and welcome to this hobby. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

05/27/2013, 04:56 AM	#3
sjwitt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA, East Coast Posts: 896	I would say you're safe to add snails and your Clean Up Crew. __________________ Lighting = (3) 250W MH, (2) 14K and (1) 20K. (4) 96W Actinic. (1) ECOXOTIC 48in STUNNER 24W Magenta/453NM Blue LED Current Tank Info: 185 g, Mixed Reef. w/ LPS, SPS, Inverts, and Fish. Eight RBTAs and counting.

05/28/2013, 08:39 AM	#7
Fizz71 FragSwapper Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Lawn, PA Posts: 5,800	+1 on the others saying you're already cycled. You could lose a whole fish in 225lbs of live rock and not see ammonia. ..especially since the bacteria are probably starving to death at this point. __________________ --Fizz Current Tank Info: Current system is 8x2x2 240g peninsula setup with a single "chamber" 100g sump in the basement with an RDSB. All corals are 100% home grown from frags of fellow reefers (low natural reef impact).

05/27/2013, 06:45 AM	#4
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	I wouldn't expect you to have a cycle with the way you set up your tank, you are safe to add your cuc and first fish after they have been through quarantine.

05/27/2013, 06:59 AM	#5
KeepNitReel Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Henrico, Virginia Posts: 490	If you really want to make sure your tank is cycled. Try dosing 5ppm of pure ammonia (I use ace hardware janitorial ammonia) However it sound like your tank is already cycled, so I wouldn't even bother.

05/29/2013, 08:32 AM	#8
oscarinw Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 1,091	Only assuming all your rock was wet when introduced and didn't see die-off, I would totally agree on that you have a cycled tank my friend. Happy stocking. Sounds like a nice setup too so please delight us with a pic or 2. Good luck with things!