Is it ok to put more than one dwarf angel in same tank?

smspring · 02/05/2016, 10:02 AM

It will be a 75G. What about a pygmy and/or flame and/or coral beauty?

acebigalowe · 02/05/2016, 10:05 AM

I wouldn't in a 75

oh207 · 02/05/2016, 10:15 AM

No.

davehead86 · 02/05/2016, 10:37 AM

No!!!

smspring · 02/05/2016, 10:45 AM

ok... that answered my question, thanks all.

Which of these three is the most reef safe?

davehead86 · 02/05/2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by smspring

ok... that answered my question, thanks all.

Which of these three is the most reef safe?

They arent. Angels pick at the hard surfaces in a tank.

personally I have coral beauty and softies. it leaves the softies alone and that is an experience that many people have had on this site. But if you want SPS then just steer clear of the dwarf angels.

smspring · 02/05/2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by davehead86

They arent. Angels pick at the hard surfaces in a tank.

personally I have coral beauty and softies. it leaves the softies alone and that is an experience that many people have had on this site. But if you want SPS then just steer clear of the dwarf angels.

I won't be getting SPS, just soft, and maybe polyps and LPS.

3dees · 02/05/2016, 11:21 AM

I have a coral beauty in my 120 gal. softie/lps tank, and it doesn't bother any coral. I tried to add an eibli and the cb killed it within two days. if your dead set on two, I would add them together, but I think one is enough. cb's are thought to be the safest with coral, but each fish is different.

Toddrtrex · 02/05/2016, 11:45 AM

I am going to have to disagree with the "no" that were posted above.

My current tank is a 75, which has a piece of egg crate dividing it in half. (( We are currently in the process of having a house built, so I took down all but one of my tanks. This tank is at my mother-in-laws holding the fish that I kept )). One half of it has a Coral Beauty and a Flame. The other half has a Flameback and an C. venustus; along with a pair of clowns and a goby. This tank has been set up this way for about 5 months now -- no issues.

Prior to this, the Coral Beauty and Flame were in my 65 (( along with a multicolored that didn't survive the move )). They were in that tank for approximately 4 years. The Flameback and C. venustus, were in my 210.

Have been mixing dwarfs for about 12 years now, using an acclimation box helps a great deal. The one issue I did have was mixing a Potters and Golden -- the Potters hated the Golden. But, I had a back up plan and moved to a cube.

Some older videos of my older tanks,

oh207 · 02/05/2016, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by smspring

ok... that answered my question, thanks all.

Which of these three is the most reef safe?

I believe a flame angel. But it can turn at any time.

oh207 · 02/05/2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

I am going to have to disagree with the "no" that were posted above.

Congratulations on your successes. And Holy Pulsing Xenias!

champion6sigma · 02/05/2016, 12:11 PM

I also say coral beauties are just fine in your tank size. I've successfully had one in a small red sea max 34 with coral and I have one in my larger tank now. I do not have SPS and don't think I want them! I'm fine with soft stuff. My coral beauty seems happy and he eats frozen food. They stay small.

I have a reef book with true factual info rather than peoples opinions. Min tank size is 30 gallons. They should get to an aprox max size of 3.9 inches. That being said they may be more prone to be territorial or nippy to inverts/clams/etc.. the smaller the tank is. Larger is preferred...as with any fish. Books states to feed up to 3 times a day if your tank is not well seasoned /established or if you don't have much microalgae growth. Should be safe with soft corals and crusacaeons. Can be nippy at stony coral or inverts. Hardy fish. Cheap. Book is from 2005 I believe. Reef aquarium fishes guide. 430 pages of info that has helped me as I build our new tank.

ca1ore · 02/05/2016, 12:20 PM

I've kept more than one dwarf angel in a 75 gal on a few occasions. Depends a bit on how open the aquascape is; and what other fish you keep. None of them are completely reef safe - 'with caution' is how most of the sellers describe them. Some pick, some do not. Other folks experiences are essentially useless.

Psychomantix · 02/05/2016, 01:36 PM

I also have 2 dwarf angels in the same tank without too much problem. The bigger one does chase the smaller one sometimes, but he also chases the coris wrasse, the springer's damsel, and the clown around as well, so maybe he's just an a$$.

As for being reef safe, I never had a problem with either dwarf angels, but I guess it's something you need to watch for. I have mostly lps and soft corals, with a few leathers and a small frag of sps (birdsnest). It's also important to note that:
1. Corals can die randomly for no apparent reason (especially sps). Just because your coral is not doing well doesn't mean the angel is eating it.
2. Dwarf angel forage for food picking picking at (kissing) surfaces. This includes glass, rocks and even corals. If you see a dwarf angel picking at a coral, they are probably just picking off small scraps of food off the coral rather than eating the coral itself.

Timfish · 02/05/2016, 05:17 PM

I've kept multiple angels together in reef tanks with all kinds of corals without any problems. You do need to QT the angels together and introduce them at the same time. Once established you will be incredably lucky to introduce another dwarf angel and not have it killed by the established angel(s).

OrionN · 05/01/2016, 08:34 PM

I had multiple angels in 65 gal without problem. A Flameback angel and a Cherub angel.

heathlindner25 · 05/02/2016, 03:02 AM

I currently have a pygmy flame-back,lemon peel, and a coral beauty in a 65.hth

02/05/2016, 10:02 AM	#1
smspring Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 356	Is it ok to put more than one dwarf angel in same tank? It will be a 75G. What about a pygmy and/or flame and/or coral beauty?

02/05/2016, 10:15 AM	#3
oh207 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Amityville, NY Posts: 762	No. __________________ -oh207 Current Tank Info: DB 65g RR Tank, 30g Sump w sock & fuge, EHEIM 3000 Rtn. Pump, Araganite 40lbs, 40lbs base rock, 60lbs LR, EHEIM 150W Jager Heater, Ecotech MP40wES & MP10wES Vortech Propeller Pump, Ecotech Radion XR30w LED, Seaside Aquatics Protein Skimmer (CS7-150g)

02/05/2016, 10:37 AM	#4
davehead86 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Monticello, IL Posts: 819	No!!! __________________ My build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24225945#post24225945 Current Tank: 65 Gallon Mixed Reef\| 40B Sump\| 2 Radion Gen 3's\| 2 MP10wes\| Vectra M1 \| Reefkeeper Lite

02/05/2016, 11:45 AM	#9
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	I am going to have to disagree with the "no" that were posted above. My current tank is a 75, which has a piece of egg crate dividing it in half. (( We are currently in the process of having a house built, so I took down all but one of my tanks. This tank is at my mother-in-laws holding the fish that I kept )). One half of it has a Coral Beauty and a Flame. The other half has a Flameback and an C. venustus; along with a pair of clowns and a goby. This tank has been set up this way for about 5 months now -- no issues. Prior to this, the Coral Beauty and Flame were in my 65 (( along with a multicolored that didn't survive the move )). They were in that tank for approximately 4 years. The Flameback and C. venustus, were in my 210. Have been mixing dwarfs for about 12 years now, using an acclimation box helps a great deal. The one issue I did have was mixing a Potters and Golden -- the Potters hated the Golden. But, I had a back up plan and moved to a cube. Some older videos of my older tanks, __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

02/05/2016, 12:11 PM	#12
champion6sigma Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: texas Posts: 538	I also say coral beauties are just fine in your tank size. I've successfully had one in a small red sea max 34 with coral and I have one in my larger tank now. I do not have SPS and don't think I want them! I'm fine with soft stuff. My coral beauty seems happy and he eats frozen food. They stay small. I have a reef book with true factual info rather than peoples opinions. Min tank size is 30 gallons. They should get to an aprox max size of 3.9 inches. That being said they may be more prone to be territorial or nippy to inverts/clams/etc.. the smaller the tank is. Larger is preferred...as with any fish. Books states to feed up to 3 times a day if your tank is not well seasoned /established or if you don't have much microalgae growth. Should be safe with soft corals and crusacaeons. Can be nippy at stony coral or inverts. Hardy fish. Cheap. Book is from 2005 I believe. Reef aquarium fishes guide. 430 pages of info that has helped me as I build our new tank. __________________ My initial build page - soon to be updated when its not an embarrassment :) http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2538593

02/05/2016, 10:05 AM	#2
acebigalowe Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 59	I wouldn't in a 75

02/05/2016, 10:45 AM	#5
smspring Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 356	ok... that answered my question, thanks all. Which of these three is the most reef safe?

02/05/2016, 11:21 AM	#8
3dees Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago burbs Posts: 793	I have a coral beauty in my 120 gal. softie/lps tank, and it doesn't bother any coral. I tried to add an eibli and the cb killed it within two days. if your dead set on two, I would add them together, but I think one is enough. cb's are thought to be the safest with coral, but each fish is different.

02/05/2016, 12:20 PM	#13
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	I've kept more than one dwarf angel in a 75 gal on a few occasions. Depends a bit on how open the aquascape is; and what other fish you keep. None of them are completely reef safe - 'with caution' is how most of the sellers describe them. Some pick, some do not. Other folks experiences are essentially useless. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

02/05/2016, 01:36 PM	#14
Psychomantix Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 120	I also have 2 dwarf angels in the same tank without too much problem. The bigger one does chase the smaller one sometimes, but he also chases the coris wrasse, the springer's damsel, and the clown around as well, so maybe he's just an a$$. As for being reef safe, I never had a problem with either dwarf angels, but I guess it's something you need to watch for. I have mostly lps and soft corals, with a few leathers and a small frag of sps (birdsnest). It's also important to note that: 1. Corals can die randomly for no apparent reason (especially sps). Just because your coral is not doing well doesn't mean the angel is eating it. 2. Dwarf angel forage for food picking picking at (kissing) surfaces. This includes glass, rocks and even corals. If you see a dwarf angel picking at a coral, they are probably just picking off small scraps of food off the coral rather than eating the coral itself.

02/05/2016, 05:17 PM	#15
Timfish Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,985	I've kept multiple angels together in reef tanks with all kinds of corals without any problems. You do need to QT the angels together and introduce them at the same time. Once established you will be incredably lucky to introduce another dwarf angel and not have it killed by the established angel(s). __________________ "Our crystal clear aquaria come nowhere close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs" Charles Delbeek

05/01/2016, 08:34 PM	#16
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	I had multiple angels in 65 gal without problem. A Flameback angel and a Cherub angel. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

05/02/2016, 03:02 AM	#17
heathlindner25 Moved On Join Date: May 2012 Location: flowery branch georgia Posts: 3,644	I currently have a pygmy flame-back,lemon peel, and a coral beauty in a 65.hth