Which dwarf angel is least likely to jump: coral beauty, flame angel or bicolor?

cherubfish pair · 09/26/2006, 09:16 PM

I would like a young one in a 20L gallon with lots of live rock and I prefer an open top tank.

BTTRFLYGRL · 09/27/2006, 04:19 AM

I guess it's possible for any fish to jump but Angels really aren't jumpers...Wrasses, Dottybacks, Firefish ..etc... are who you have to worry about

I would only suggest an Argi for a 20l [thats 20 LONG, I hope..20 liter is too small for anything!!]..and it may not be real happy long term in a tank of that size

PatrickB101 · 09/27/2006, 08:06 AM

i wouldnt put a angel in a 20l

RichConley · 09/27/2006, 08:59 AM

I kept a coral beauty in a 20L for a long time. No problems.

Tyrosinase · 09/27/2006, 09:04 AM

I had a coral beauty that went carpet surfing. Unfortunately, by the time I got home and found it the fish was already jerky.

BTTRFLYGRL · 09/27/2006, 10:18 AM

Plain or teriaki?

sabodish · 09/27/2006, 10:19 AM

dont buy a bicolor...very shy fish and many never eat in captivity. either way, a 20 is kind of small...argi or fireball angel for sure.

Angel*Fish · 09/28/2006, 07:38 AM

Rich and I both believe we know more than S.Michael j/k

who recommends nothing less than 30g for a CB and 55g for the flame. I would say 55g should be min. for the CB also.

The 20g could be ok temporarily while the fish is a juvenile. But in a tank that size there will not be sufficient LR to provide adequate grazing for these fish. For optimal long term health & nutrition, they very much rely on the microalgae and other misc. items they pick off the rocks in addition to the foods you will feed it.

In a 20g the rock will get picked clean - sterile/cleaned rock tanks are not recommended for dwarf angels regardless of the size.

If this isn't clear enough, I can continue

Bicolors are larger than most other dwarf angels and if successful reach 6 in. long - kinda big for a 20g I'd think - of course it wouldn't get that large because it would have suffered from malnutition

cherubfish pair · 09/28/2006, 08:31 PM

Angel*Fish,

Aside of the tank size issue, how are you pairing your angels?

cherubfish pair · 10/01/2006, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
Angel*Fish,

Aside of the tank size issue, how are you pairing your angels?

Without them fighting?

Do you think 40 gallons is reasonable for a mated pair of cherubfish?

onereefnotenuf · 10/02/2006, 07:24 AM

my flame jumped into the over flow once. i haven't had any other problems with it.

Angel*Fish · 10/02/2006, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
Angel*Fish,

Aside of the tank size issue, how are you pairing your angels?

I just find a female and a male and put them together in the tank at the same time. A male can be added to an existing female, so long as she's not changed sex

A 40g long would probably be fine for a cherub pair

cherubfish pair · 10/02/2006, 08:13 PM

inlandaquatics.com sells several species of paired fish including paired cherubs and cherub trios.

JamesJR · 10/02/2006, 09:03 PM

Bicolors are difficult to keep even in a large aquarium, let alone a 20L.

cherubfish pair · 10/02/2006, 10:54 PM

OK. Let me explain the 20L thing. I just moved my 10g back home after having it in our previous home and at work for years. Can't remember how many but I've kept my oscellaris in that tank for 6 years this month. Now that I've got a fish room and some empty tanks left over from our previous home that were fresh, I got some wild ideas. But my budget looked me square in the eye and said no way. I'm still toying with the idea of upgrading from the 10g then to a 20L and to a 40L but its looking like too much time and money. So I just might as well skip the 20L and use the 10g as a quarantine.

That's were I got the idea of a bicolor in a 20L. But only for a little while.

Peter Schmiedel · 10/03/2006, 09:26 AM

A 20g is so small that all Centropyge will sooner or later jump out

Angel*Fish · 10/03/2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Schmiedel
A 20g is so small that all Centropyge will sooner or later jump out

Thanks! A new argument for me....They'll jump out!! I love it...

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http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=929670

jmaneyapanda · 10/03/2006, 12:04 PM

I agree with peter, but not because it is a 20 gallon. Any fish (with the exception of seahorses) can jump. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you do not have your tanks contained with a canopy or a top or something, you probabaly will end up with a fish that has jumped. We have really no idea at all what goes through these fishes minds. Whatever frightenes them, will cause a reaction. In the ocean, they probably wouldnt leave the water if they dart up 30 or 40 inches to escape a threat. If they do, they would land back in water. However in our tanks, this doesnt always happen.

Angel*Fish · 10/03/2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaneyapanda
I agree with peter, but not because it is a 20 gallon. Any fish (with the exception of seahorses) can jump. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you do not have your tanks contained with a canopy or a top or something, you probabaly will end up with a fish that has jumped. We have really no idea at all what goes through these fishes minds. Whatever frightenes them, will cause a reaction. In the ocean, they probably wouldnt leave the water if they dart up 30 or 40 inches to escape a threat. If they do, they would land back in water. However in our tanks, this doesnt always happen.

So are you saying that you think a 20 is ok then?

You have no idea the trouble I've had on another thread.....there's this guy, Matt/mwp pairing 2 flames in a 24g and I tried to tell him they were stressed in a tank that size and WWIII broke out....

Anyway if you of all people, jmaneyapanda, say this is humane then I give up!

Rossini · 10/04/2006, 07:42 AM

you dont seriousley think there could be a difference in chances of an dwarf angel jumping just by species? jeeeze man

jmaneyapanda · 10/04/2006, 08:21 AM

no angel- I am on your side with this one. I was justr sating it will have the possibility of jumping, regardless of size (unless your tank is 15 feet tall). 20 long is quite inappropriate in my mind, by I was trying to address the jumping.

Angel*Fish · 10/04/2006, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaneyapanda
no angel- I am on your side with this one. I was justr sating it will have the possibility of jumping, regardless of size (unless your tank is 15 feet tall). 20 long is quite inappropriate in my mind, by I was trying to address the jumping.

You mean you were trying to address the thread topic? Interesting concept.

Quote:

Originally posted by Rossini
you dont seriousley think there could be a difference in chances of an dwarf angel jumping just by species? jeeeze man

Well if there is a difference, I can't imagine anyone knowing what it is since they "never" jump. The solution might be to search for angel AND jump and what ever we find must be the species most likely to jump -lol. I could only find this one thread and it kind of looks familiar

Of course now that we're seeing them in inappropriately smaller tanks, maybe we'll get to find out the answer

cherubfish pair · 10/05/2006, 07:23 PM

I think I was terribly misunderstood. I had to write this post to explain how I was to accommodate such fish.

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
OK. Let me explain the 20L thing. I just moved my 10g back home after having it in our previous home and at work for years. Can't remember how many but I've kept my oscellaris in that tank for 6 years this month. Now that I've got a fish room and some empty tanks left over from our previous home that were fresh, I got some wild ideas. But my budget looked me square in the eye and said no way. I'm still toying with the idea of upgrading from the 10g then to a 20L and to a 40L but its looking like too much time and money. So I just might as well skip the 20L and use the 10g as a quarantine.

That's were I got the idea of a bicolor in a 20L. But only for a little while.

Am I off the hook now?

Angel*Fish · 10/05/2006, 08:46 PM

You've been off the hook since you first posted that

. Not sure about everyone else, but I'm just all worked up about this guy keeping a pair of flames in a 24g on a totally different thread - sorry it spilled over to this one

09/26/2006, 09:16 PM	#1
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Which dwarf angel is least likely to jump: coral beauty, flame angel or bicolor? I would like a young one in a 20L gallon with lots of live rock and I prefer an open top tank. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

09/27/2006, 04:19 AM	#2
BTTRFLYGRL Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDY Posts: 2,857	I guess it's possible for any fish to jump but Angels really aren't jumpers...Wrasses, Dottybacks, Firefish ..etc... are who you have to worry about I would only suggest an Argi for a 20l [thats 20 LONG, I hope..20 liter is too small for anything!!]..and it may not be real happy long term in a tank of that size __________________ AKA Kim Hardie.. Current Tank Info: 240 gallon FOWLR, 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon for my Dwarf Lion

09/27/2006, 08:59 AM	#4
RichConley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bostonian in Chicago going to DC Posts: 9,908	I kept a coral beauty in a 20L for a long time. No problems. __________________ NO TANKS!!!

09/27/2006, 10:18 AM	#6
BTTRFLYGRL Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDY Posts: 2,857	Plain or teriaki? __________________ AKA Kim Hardie.. Current Tank Info: 240 gallon FOWLR, 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon for my Dwarf Lion

09/28/2006, 07:38 AM	#8
Angel*Fish cats and large squashes Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 5,951 Blog Entries: 1	Rich and I both believe we know more than S.Michael j/k who recommends nothing less than 30g for a CB and 55g for the flame. I would say 55g should be min. for the CB also. The 20g could be ok temporarily while the fish is a juvenile. But in a tank that size there will not be sufficient LR to provide adequate grazing for these fish. For optimal long term health & nutrition, they very much rely on the microalgae and other misc. items they pick off the rocks in addition to the foods you will feed it. In a 20g the rock will get picked clean - sterile/cleaned rock tanks are not recommended for dwarf angels regardless of the size. If this isn't clear enough, I can continue Bicolors are larger than most other dwarf angels and if successful reach 6 in. long - kinda big for a 20g I'd think - of course it wouldn't get that large because it would have suffered from malnutition __________________ Marie So long, & thanks for all the fish! __________________________ Current Tank Info: Pairs: flame angels, cherub angels, Red Sea mimic blennies, yellow fin fairy wrasses, clowns, mandarins, blackcap basslets, shrimp gobies, damsels, dispar anthias, yellow clown gobies, threadfin cardinals --- Tanks: 100g reef, 2 x 30g refugiums

09/27/2006, 08:06 AM	#3
PatrickB101 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 126	i wouldnt put a angel in a 20l

09/27/2006, 09:04 AM	#5
Tyrosinase Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 195	I had a coral beauty that went carpet surfing. Unfortunately, by the time I got home and found it the fish was already jerky.

09/27/2006, 10:19 AM	#7
sabodish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Holly Springs, NC Posts: 1,703	dont buy a bicolor...very shy fish and many never eat in captivity. either way, a 20 is kind of small...argi or fireball angel for sure.

09/28/2006, 08:31 PM	#9
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Angel*Fish, Aside of the tank size issue, how are you pairing your angels? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/02/2006, 07:24 AM	#11
onereefnotenuf Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hamilton,Ohio Posts: 295	my flame jumped into the over flow once. i haven't had any other problems with it.

10/02/2006, 08:13 PM	#13
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	inlandaquatics.com sells several species of paired fish including paired cherubs and cherub trios. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/02/2006, 09:03 PM	#14
JamesJR Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,733	Bicolors are difficult to keep even in a large aquarium, let alone a 20L. __________________ Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber you go and do something like this....And totally redeem yourself! Current Tank Info: 20 gallon

10/02/2006, 10:54 PM	#15
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	OK. Let me explain the 20L thing. I just moved my 10g back home after having it in our previous home and at work for years. Can't remember how many but I've kept my oscellaris in that tank for 6 years this month. Now that I've got a fish room and some empty tanks left over from our previous home that were fresh, I got some wild ideas. But my budget looked me square in the eye and said no way. I'm still toying with the idea of upgrading from the 10g then to a 20L and to a 40L but its looking like too much time and money. So I just might as well skip the 20L and use the 10g as a quarantine. That's were I got the idea of a bicolor in a 20L. But only for a little while. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/03/2006, 09:26 AM	#16
Peter Schmiedel Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 1,628	A 20g is so small that all Centropyge will sooner or later jump out __________________ Have a nice day Peter Current Tank Info: 300g main tank, several others

10/03/2006, 12:04 PM	#18
jmaneyapanda Commencing hatred Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,784	I agree with peter, but not because it is a 20 gallon. Any fish (with the exception of seahorses) can jump. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you do not have your tanks contained with a canopy or a top or something, you probabaly will end up with a fish that has jumped. We have really no idea at all what goes through these fishes minds. Whatever frightenes them, will cause a reaction. In the ocean, they probably wouldnt leave the water if they dart up 30 or 40 inches to escape a threat. If they do, they would land back in water. However in our tanks, this doesnt always happen.

10/04/2006, 07:42 AM	#20
Rossini Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 494	you dont seriousley think there could be a difference in chances of an dwarf angel jumping just by species? jeeeze man

10/04/2006, 08:21 AM	#21
jmaneyapanda Commencing hatred Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,784	no angel- I am on your side with this one. I was justr sating it will have the possibility of jumping, regardless of size (unless your tank is 15 feet tall). 20 long is quite inappropriate in my mind, by I was trying to address the jumping.

10/05/2006, 08:46 PM	#24
Angel*Fish cats and large squashes Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 5,951 Blog Entries: 1	You've been off the hook since you first posted that . Not sure about everyone else, but I'm just all worked up about this guy keeping a pair of flames in a 24g on a totally different thread - sorry it spilled over to this one __________________ Marie So long, & thanks for all the fish! __________________________ Current Tank Info: Pairs: flame angels, cherub angels, Red Sea mimic blennies, yellow fin fairy wrasses, clowns, mandarins, blackcap basslets, shrimp gobies, damsels, dispar anthias, yellow clown gobies, threadfin cardinals --- Tanks: 100g reef, 2 x 30g refugiums