"Magic Sliders" under tank stand?

JoelA7 · 04/11/2014, 03:27 PM

Hi,

Has anyone ever used these?

http://www.magicsliders.com/

I don't mean to just slide an empty tank on a stand into place after doing the plumbing. I mean leaving them underneath supporting the weight. If so, how long did they last before disintegrating?

Thanks!

mcgyvr · 04/11/2014, 03:29 PM

Its plastic.. you will be long gone before it starts disintegrating but it might crack from too much weight.

The big ones are rated for 3200lbs..

JoelA7 · 04/11/2014, 03:40 PM

Yes. My concern exactly. Crack once, then again, then the plastic loses its integrity and won't support the weight. If this happened uniformly who cares, the stand sinks all together. HAH! NOT in a million years. One will fail and then the tank will be imbalanced. But if the failure is in 15-20 years, it won't matter, the tank will have been broken down and moved by then and I'll throw them out.

I'm thinking 10 of the 15/16" x 4" units on a 4 x 2 stand. 2 in "L" shape at each corner and an extra on the midpoints of the long sides under the middle supports.

scott3569 · 04/11/2014, 03:42 PM

I had actually thought about these also, seeing as though I am in the building phase of my tank..and I won't have any plumbing going through the floor( I think my land lord would be upset with that). but I thought about the to help distribute the weight. I think I have made a pretty decent stand though so may not be needed

Misled · 04/11/2014, 04:29 PM

I'm not getting the reason you want to put them there.

ska d · 04/11/2014, 05:01 PM

Its a disaster waiting to happen. Don't do it.

JoelA7 · 04/11/2014, 06:17 PM

Ah the reason. I live in a condo. Tank will be in a corner. Exceedingly difficult to place. And once placed how the hell to remove sliders or shim? Very tricky.

Saltydrip · 04/11/2014, 06:55 PM

Why not an industrial grade caster? My toolbox is well over a ton and it roles like it weighs 100lbs tops.

James77 · 04/11/2014, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltydrip

Why not an industrial grade caster? My toolbox is well over a ton and it roles like it weighs 100lbs tops.

While it could work, you lose the ability to spread the tank weight over more of the floor. Unless you use a bunch of them.....

Saltydrip · 04/11/2014, 07:05 PM

True. After I posted that I did think that the floor then become subject to some serious PSI.

Misled · 04/11/2014, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltydrip

Why not an industrial grade caster? My toolbox is well over a ton and it roles like it weighs 100lbs tops.

Wouldn't understand that either. You really don't want to move a tank that has water in it. The shifting of water in the tank can create way to much stress on the tank, stress a tank isn't made to deal with

Crusinjimbo · 04/12/2014, 04:48 AM

Used them to move my 60g cube on an extremely heave stand. Used a pry bar to gently lift the stand corners and placed one large slider (5" diameter +/-) and have easily slid the tank accross a 30' distance on a tile floor. The smaller ones don't side over even minor floor imperfections like grout lines. Left them there. Mine have a stiff hard foam pad in the center.

FishN00b83 · 04/12/2014, 04:55 AM

I had the big plastic ones for carpet with the foam pads on top for my 29g biocube, they worked. I was able to slide it around with not too much trouble

JoelA7 · 04/12/2014, 06:19 AM

Jimbo--how long have they been under your stand?

Crusinjimbo · 04/13/2014, 04:37 AM

I put them under my stand 7 months ago. Mine have a high density (hard) foam disk permanently attached inside an approx 4" plastic "disc". Also came with a fabric cover for floor protection. I have moved this setup (approx. 900#) without these and they are well worth the bank.

JoelA7 · 04/13/2014, 04:51 AM

Weight on the floor of most buildings isn't an issue. Remember the old style steel stands? So a 150 had 6 points of contact. Same w 220. No problems. This concern is more that with time one or more might lose integrity and fail. Causing who know what.

JoelA7 · 04/16/2014, 11:44 AM

I inquired of Magic Sliders:

"Please tell me how long magic sliders last if they are left underneath a piece of heavy furniture. To give you a sense of the specifics, would 37.5 square inches of magic sliders, reasonably distributed, could support 2,500 lbs for 10 years or more without cracking and disintegrating? I would be using 10 of the 5/16 x 4" units, 2 on each corner in an "L" shape and 1 on each "long" side of an aquarium. So you can see a failure of one would be a real problem, impossible to replace, and potentially cause a leak due to imbalanced support.

And received a response:

"While we think our product would work, because there are many variables that can impact performance, we are not comfortable making any claims for your situation."

Probably ran it by legal first. Maybe I should have said a commercial refrigerator.

leveldrummer · 04/16/2014, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoelA7

I inquired of Magic Sliders:

"Please tell me how long magic sliders last if they are left underneath a piece of heavy furniture. To give you a sense of the specifics, would 37.5 square inches of magic sliders, reasonably distributed, could support 2,500 lbs for 10 years or more without cracking and disintegrating? I would be using 10 of the 5/16 x 4" units, 2 on each corner in an "L" shape and 1 on each "long" side of an aquarium. So you can see a failure of one would be a real problem, impossible to replace, and potentially cause a leak due to imbalanced support.

And received a response:

"While we think our product would work, because there are many variables that can impact performance, we are not comfortable making any claims for your situation."

Probably ran it by legal first. Maybe I should have said a commercial refrigerator.

time wont effect how they break down. they are plastic, either they support the weight or not, sitting under the weight for 10 years wont matter, they dont get more brittle or disintegrate over time.

tkeracer619 · 04/16/2014, 05:10 PM

A tank placed so close to the wall that you cannot get your hand behind it is a poorly placed tank. You have to shim it in place.

I had a show size male flame wrasse jump out of a tank once when I opened the lid for service. Watched him lay on the floor and die in the .5" gap behind the tank just about 5" out of my reach... what a waste.

krzyphsygy · 04/16/2014, 07:33 PM

My LFS has a 150 with castors underneath and he moves that thing around all the time.

JoelA7 · 04/16/2014, 07:39 PM

There will be 3+" behind and 6" to one side. I'll be able to get a fish electrical plugs and so in.

dochou · 02/05/2020, 04:23 PM

I've had my Magic Sliders under my tank for 15 yrs and still no problems. I move the tank once per year on average.

dochou · 02/05/2020, 04:27 PM

This is an old thread, but....
I've had my magic sliders under my tank for 15 years and there has never been any cracking or problems. They work like a charm. I still occasionally move my tank around. It's on hardwood floor.
I have a 100 gal tank and there's 35 gallons in the sump, so it's not a small setup.

04/11/2014, 03:27 PM	#1
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	"Magic Sliders" under tank stand? Hi, Has anyone ever used these? http://www.magicsliders.com/ I don't mean to just slide an empty tank on a stand into place after doing the plumbing. I mean leaving them underneath supporting the weight. If so, how long did they last before disintegrating? Thanks!

04/11/2014, 03:29 PM	#2
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Its plastic.. you will be long gone before it starts disintegrating but it might crack from too much weight. The big ones are rated for 3200lbs.. __________________ Who me?

04/11/2014, 03:42 PM	#4
scott3569 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Middletown,VA Posts: 929	I had actually thought about these also, seeing as though I am in the building phase of my tank..and I won't have any plumbing going through the floor( I think my land lord would be upset with that). but I thought about the to help distribute the weight. I think I have made a pretty decent stand though so may not be needed __________________ I'm in a fishy situation!!! Current Tank Info: 56 gallon 30 x 18 x 22 with a 40gal sump, SCA 302 skimmer, 10 gal QT tank, a hydror 600 power head, 2 enhiem 150 heaters, 49#'s of dry rock, 12#'s of life rock, 40#'s of sand

04/11/2014, 04:29 PM	#5
Misled RC Mod Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 11,440 Blog Entries: 11	I'm not getting the reason you want to put them there. __________________ Jesse I'm not saying I'm Batman. I'm just saying nobody has ever seen me and Batman in a room together.

04/11/2014, 06:55 PM	#8
Saltydrip Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,826	Why not an industrial grade caster? My toolbox is well over a ton and it roles like it weighs 100lbs tops. __________________ Current tank 48" 75g DT w/ 55g sump/fuge.

04/11/2014, 03:40 PM	#3
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	Yes. My concern exactly. Crack once, then again, then the plastic loses its integrity and won't support the weight. If this happened uniformly who cares, the stand sinks all together. HAH! NOT in a million years. One will fail and then the tank will be imbalanced. But if the failure is in 15-20 years, it won't matter, the tank will have been broken down and moved by then and I'll throw them out. I'm thinking 10 of the 15/16" x 4" units on a 4 x 2 stand. 2 in "L" shape at each corner and an extra on the midpoints of the long sides under the middle supports.

04/11/2014, 05:01 PM	#6
ska d Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toronto Posts: 508	Its a disaster waiting to happen. Don't do it.

04/11/2014, 06:17 PM	#7
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	Ah the reason. I live in a condo. Tank will be in a corner. Exceedingly difficult to place. And once placed how the hell to remove sliders or shim? Very tricky.

04/11/2014, 07:05 PM	#10
Saltydrip Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,826	True. After I posted that I did think that the floor then become subject to some serious PSI. __________________ Current tank 48" 75g DT w/ 55g sump/fuge.

04/12/2014, 04:48 AM	#12
Crusinjimbo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel FL Posts: 751	Used them to move my 60g cube on an extremely heave stand. Used a pry bar to gently lift the stand corners and placed one large slider (5" diameter +/-) and have easily slid the tank accross a 30' distance on a tile floor. The smaller ones don't side over even minor floor imperfections like grout lines. Left them there. Mine have a stiff hard foam pad in the center. __________________ Jimbo 13.5G EVO

04/12/2014, 04:55 AM	#13
FishN00b83 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,140	I had the big plastic ones for carpet with the foam pads on top for my 29g biocube, they worked. I was able to slide it around with not too much trouble __________________ My 125 to 180 thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2525019

04/12/2014, 06:19 AM	#14
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	Jimbo--how long have they been under your stand?

04/13/2014, 04:37 AM	#15
Crusinjimbo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel FL Posts: 751	I put them under my stand 7 months ago. Mine have a high density (hard) foam disk permanently attached inside an approx 4" plastic "disc". Also came with a fabric cover for floor protection. I have moved this setup (approx. 900#) without these and they are well worth the bank. __________________ Jimbo 13.5G EVO

04/13/2014, 04:51 AM	#16
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	Weight on the floor of most buildings isn't an issue. Remember the old style steel stands? So a 150 had 6 points of contact. Same w 220. No problems. This concern is more that with time one or more might lose integrity and fail. Causing who know what.

04/16/2014, 11:44 AM	#17
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	I inquired of Magic Sliders: "Please tell me how long magic sliders last if they are left underneath a piece of heavy furniture. To give you a sense of the specifics, would 37.5 square inches of magic sliders, reasonably distributed, could support 2,500 lbs for 10 years or more without cracking and disintegrating? I would be using 10 of the 5/16 x 4" units, 2 on each corner in an "L" shape and 1 on each "long" side of an aquarium. So you can see a failure of one would be a real problem, impossible to replace, and potentially cause a leak due to imbalanced support. And received a response: "While we think our product would work, because there are many variables that can impact performance, we are not comfortable making any claims for your situation." Probably ran it by legal first. Maybe I should have said a commercial refrigerator.

04/16/2014, 05:10 PM	#19
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	A tank placed so close to the wall that you cannot get your hand behind it is a poorly placed tank. You have to shim it in place. I had a show size male flame wrasse jump out of a tank once when I opened the lid for service. Watched him lay on the floor and die in the .5" gap behind the tank just about 5" out of my reach... what a waste. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

04/16/2014, 07:33 PM	#20
krzyphsygy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,148	My LFS has a 150 with castors underneath and he moves that thing around all the time.

04/16/2014, 07:39 PM	#21
JoelA7 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,056	There will be 3+" behind and 6" to one side. I'll be able to get a fish electrical plugs and so in.

02/05/2020, 04:23 PM	#22
dochou Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Hillsborough, CA Posts: 564	I've had my Magic Sliders under my tank for 15 yrs and still no problems. I move the tank once per year on average.

02/05/2020, 04:27 PM	#23
dochou Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Hillsborough, CA Posts: 564	This is an old thread, but.... I've had my magic sliders under my tank for 15 years and there has never been any cracking or problems. They work like a charm. I still occasionally move my tank around. It's on hardwood floor. I have a 100 gal tank and there's 35 gallons in the sump, so it's not a small setup.