Aquaforest products- Component 1+2+3+

[ivanotas]

Only a few like coral a,v,b,e are required.

[Alfrareef]

Guys!! I'm confused.
I'm using those (Amino mix, Build and Energy) and about to start Vitality...
How to store?

[plyle02]

Store them at room temp, in most cases that should be just fine. I store my Pro Bio S in the fridge, although not necessary

[Alfrareef]

Thks plyle. I'll follow that.
Sorry for the dumb question, but it was recently I've decided to try some of AF products (ABVE only) and couldn't find good information. It seems everyone his repeating the 4-5 sentences AF has written about it....
if these drops work I'll perhaps start with other products, Pro Bio S and/or Probiotic salt even if I don't want to turn off my UV and Ozone. Can you give me your thoughts about this approach?

[BB215]

Can one use natural salt water with component 1+2+3+ ?

[Aquaforest]

Yes.

[kainic]

Originally Posted by BB215

Can one use natural salt water with component 1+2+3+ ?

What about not NaCl free salts?

[Aquaforest]

Component3+ contais NaCl Free salt - Reef Mineral Salt.

[Alfrareef]

I'm lost... lots of stuff and increase difficulty to understand the basics. It starts to remind me why I didn't go with other brand...
Question for Aquaforest: can I replace my FM 3 components dosing with Component 1+2+3?


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[ClearwaterUK]

Originally Posted by Alfrareef

I'm lost... lots of stuff and increase difficulty to understand the basics. It starts to remind me why I didn't go with other brand...
Question for Aquaforest: can I replace my FM 3 components dosing with Component 1+2+3?


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If you mean the "Balling Lite" from FM than yes you can replace it with 123 from AF

[Alfrareef]

Yes, it's balling lite. 3 salts+3 Traces.
Great! Thanks for the info.


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[Martin Kuhn]

Knowing what is inside for lots of pieces in FM Balling Light, I strongly disagree

AF 1 2 3 is definitely different to FM Balling Light.

Just saying it has also 3 components and also has traces is by sure no proof

- concentrations and mix of balling salt is different
- how to dose Mg according your consumption with AF 1 2 3 ?
- traces AF must not be traces FM


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[GoVols]

I agree with Martin L.

AF Component 1+ 2+ 3+ is based off the "Full Balling" method.

"Lite Balling" was developed for better stability over "Full Balling Salts".

[GoVols]

I meant Martin K...

Is anyone using Component 1+ 2+ 3+ with other salt mixes other than AF and have all 3 parts equal out evenly on their daily doses per part?

I wanted to keep using Component 1+ 2+ 3+ when I switched back to Reef Crystals. Deep Water Aquatics told me the 3 components who only even out this AF or Tropic Marin salt mixes.

[Alfrareef]

Guys! I'm back in trouble. And mostly by my fault.... tried to simplify.
So please allow me to elaborate more.
I currently use FM balling light and have obtained KH, Ca, Mg stability but nothing notable over corals growth and coloring.
So I've started doing some experiments with AF ABVE and not sure if it was a cumulative or single effect but the corals have started to show some growth and better colors.
The next experiment I was thinking was to replace the 3 containers content with AF Componente 1+2+3 but when started to study I found no coherent info about that so decide to address the question: can I do that expecting to maintain the same stability?
Thanks for your help.

[Martin Kuhn]

Hi again Alfrareef

1.) i don't think that changing from FM Balling Light to AF 1+ 2+ 3+ will improve your corals colours.
If you managed to adapted Balling Light to match Ca, Alk and Mg, it is close to a perfect system for LPS/SPS, once you deliver 2 things
- good nutrient levels (NO3 and PO4 very low, but not at 0,0)
- enough light and with correct light spectrum

2.) 1+ 2+ 3+ is a pre-mixed system and in my eyes "not the best one that AF offers"... there are Ca/Alk/Mg systems better feasible for SPS/LPS!
I see the major advantage of 1+ 2+ 3+ in its simplicity.

Why:
- it is missing dosing of Mg according tanks consumption. Mg is "just part of component 3+" (result: Mg might get too low or too high)
- Traces (in form of NaCl free salt in 3+) are added independently from your Alk and Ca consumption. instuctions is to "dose 50ml per 100 L tanksize each day. This might lead to an over- or also under-dosing of traces

hope that helps

[Alfrareef]

It help! Confirmed the need to better understand the systems avoiding change just because it's there...
My tank PO4 and NO3 are low (0.13; 1) but need to go lower. I'm also looking at AF line for ways to have more control over those.
Thanks Martin Kuhn for your time.
Rgds,
AR

[CIR2000]

Hello,

someone in one of the Italian forum suggested me to reduce the quantity of the component 3 (1/2 dosing - max 3/4) because I have few corals in the tank and the risk is the intoxication or burn some pinnacle in growth. What do you think about ?


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[ClearwaterUK]

Originally Posted by CIR2000

Hello,

someone in one of the Italian forum suggested me to reduce the quantity of the component 3 (1/2 dosing - max 3/4) because I have few corals in the tank and the risk is the intoxication or burn some pinnacle in growth. What do you think about ?


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all components are balanced and should be dosed equally

if you are at UNLS (Ulra Low Nutrients )

dKH should not exceed 8 and is better near 7 NSW

if you have few corals the dose will be low anyway
if you have few corals water changes may well be enough on there own to replenish the used elements

[ClearwaterUK]

Originally Posted by Martin Kuhn

Hi again Alfrareef

1.) i don't think that changing from FM Balling Light to AF 1+ 2+ 3+ will improve your corals colours.
If you managed to adapted Balling Light to match Ca, Alk and Mg, it is close to a perfect system for LPS/SPS, once you deliver 2 things
- good nutrient levels (NO3 and PO4 very low, but not at 0,0)
- enough light and with correct light spectrum

2.) 1+ 2+ 3+ is a pre-mixed system and in my eyes "not the best one that AF offers"... there are Ca/Alk/Mg systems better feasible for SPS/LPS!
I see the major advantage of 1+ 2+ 3+ in its simplicity.

Why:
- it is missing dosing of Mg according tanks consumption. Mg is "just part of component 3+" (result: Mg might get too low or too high)
- Traces (in form of NaCl free salt in 3+) are added independently from your Alk and Ca consumption. instuctions is to "dose 50ml per 100 L tanksize each day. This might lead to an over- or also under-dosing of traces

hope that helps

123 is full Balling though and should be dosed equally

You can purchase separate Ca Mg and Carbonate and add components strong + Kallium

[Martin Kuhn]

Originally Posted by ClearwaterUK

123 is full Balling though and should be dosed equally

You can purchase separate Ca Mg and Carbonate and add components strong + Kallium

Dosing espceially Ca and Alk in my eyes is outdated, still several manufactrers recommend it. Of course you can.

BUT depending on which of the 2 vaues you adjust your dosing (Alk OR Ca), the the other component might get either to "too high", or to "too low" values.

In my eyes it is CLEARLY better and closer to natural seawater if dosing NOT EQUALLY (not in a fix ratio)

[2dawghouse]

AF, Perry, can I make a recommendation/request. For those of us who dose 1,2,3 straight from the AF containers (love the pics by the way on the containers) van we get the containers clear and visibly see through instead of opaque white? It would be a major plus for AF I think.

[plyle02]

Originally Posted by 2dawghouse

AF, Perry, can I make a recommendation/request. For those of us who dose 1,2,3 straight from the AF containers (love the pics by the way on the containers) van we get the containers clear and visibly see through instead of opaque white? It would be a major plus for AF I think.

Hello,
I am fairly certain that due to micro elements that are in the containers, it helps to keep light out, I could be wrong though I will clarify next time I communicate with Sever or Debora Cheers!

[ivanotas]

Hi. What will be the correct dosing method? Com 1 follow by 2 and final 3. I am dosing each at 1hr interval. Isit ok?

[GoVols]

Not me,

Comp-1 then Comp-3 lastly Comp-2

Dail in Comp-2 (Alk) parameter dosage first.

IF Comp-1 (Calcium / Mag) is low then raise with a pure Calcium booster. Not Comp-1.

Eventually all 3 components will even out to your Comp-2 (Alk) same dosage.

Component 1+ 2+ 3+ is very stable once locked in.

My apex pump schedule

1) Comp-1 40ml from 9am to 10am (Calcium / Mag)
2) Comp-3 40ml from 5pm to 6pm (I believe it's trace elements)
3) Comp-2 40ml from 10pm to 11pm (Alk) Dose late to help keep PH up over night.