New EcoTech Marine Vectra Return Pump - Page 10

sbarkey · 08/08/2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Postal

Waiting on the same thing myself, Zach.

It's a bit concerning that the pump is allegedly ready to be shipped and yet they won't provide data that has to be available at this point.

Perhaps it's because the pump will increase flow automatically depending on head pressure, so a flow chart isn't possible since it output is generated dynamically.

805reef · 08/08/2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sbarkey

Perhaps it's because the pump will increase flow automatically depending on head pressure, so a flow chart isn't possible since it output is generated dynamically.

That's possible but that would mean the L1 is capable of 3000gph at 21 feet head height and I don't think that is the case. That would be a big time pump to be able to do that.

sbarkey · 08/08/2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 805reef

That's possible but that would mean the L1 is capable of 3000gph at 21 feet head height and I don't think that is the case. That would be a big time pump to be able to do that.

True. I too would imagine there would be loss at higher heads as the pump can't make up the difference, but who knows. Just throwing out possible reasons.

ViktorVaughn · 08/08/2015, 02:56 PM

If you to aquacave and view the pumps, there is a flow curve chart for running the pumps at full power (80 watts for M1) and different head heights. If the flow rates decrease proportionally with power (not sure) then it would be fairly simple to figure out, if not I'm sure more data will be released soon.

skinsncanes · 08/10/2015, 12:02 PM

so I wrote ecotech because I know me, and many others, split off their return pump. It goes to flow through cyclinders or canisters or uv or any number of other things. That all kinda defeats the purpose of the smart pump and many of the features of setting pressure so it doesnt back siphon, etc. Its not like its smart enough to monitor each pipe (which would be awesome) so I can ensure my overflows dont go over their 1200 max, that as filters clog they adjust, etc.

805reef · 08/10/2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ViktorVaughn

If you to aquacave and view the pumps, there is a flow curve chart for running the pumps at full power (80 watts for M1) and different head heights. If the flow rates decrease proportionally with power (not sure) then it would be fairly simple to figure out, if not I'm sure more data will be released soon.

Interesting... I hadn't seen that flow curve anywhere else. Thanks for the heads up!

Looks like around 2000+ for 6ft head height on the L1. That's what I was hoping for.

SPotter · 08/10/2015, 03:06 PM

I think this was covered already but I can't find the answer. If I'm using two pumps on a closed loop can they be synced?

joshky · 08/11/2015, 09:46 AM

Have any been shipped out yet?

Wazzel · 08/11/2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sbarkey

Perhaps it's because the pump will increase flow automatically depending on head pressure, so a flow chart isn't possible since it output is generated dynamically.

It is not difficult to put a flow chart together for a variable speed pump. I use to work at a pump plant and put many together. Create a flow vs head for max speed and min speed and however many in between you want. If the pumps are getting ready to ship this information should be available.

Wazzel · 08/11/2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ViktorVaughn

If you to aquacave and view the pumps, there is a flow curve chart for running the pumps at full power (80 watts for M1) and different head heights. If the flow rates decrease proportionally with power (not sure) then it would be fairly simple to figure out, if not I'm sure more data will be released soon.

They do, look up pump affinity laws. The equations to scale pressure and flow based on changing RPM are really simple.

rjallen · 08/13/2015, 03:24 PM

I am surprised this thread has remained dormant today. This AM, I got a message the L1 pump was in stock at BRS. They showed them in stock on their website around 10am. I chose to wait on this product due to the confusion about use with APEX.

RJA

805reef · 08/13/2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rjallen

I am surprised this thread has remained dormant today. This AM, I got a message the L1 pump was in stock at BRS. They showed them in stock on their website around 10am. I chose to wait on this product due to the confusion about use with APEX.

RJA

BRS sent an email out today about preordering these pumps. I don't think they do/did have it in stock.

rjallen · 08/13/2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 805reef

BRS sent an email out today about preordering these pumps. I don't think they do/did have it in stock.

Just rechecked their site and you are right. Later today they added "available for pre-order in green type. Was not there this AM.

I got an "in stock alert"

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Johnseye · 08/13/2015, 04:39 PM

I've been waiting on a retailer to ship. As of today they have not received the pumps from EcoTech.

joshky · 08/16/2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnseye

I've been waiting on a retailer to ship. As of today they have not received the pumps from EcoTech.

Maybe it will be this week, keep my fingers crossed.

aronj2 · 08/18/2015, 01:43 PM

I like the hype of qd here..
Fact is.. these blocks are bought.. i own 1 of em, from different brand..

It just a brushless \ sinewave (or "quiet drive") motor , manufactured in asia.. but with good materials!
I like.to know.if this pump also has titanium screws, and titanium lining..

Anyhow.. mine has a needle wheel, and is m1 sized like.. does over 1650lph of air..

This could be a beast of a skimmer pump for ecotech

805reef · 08/18/2015, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronj2

I like the hype of qd here..
Fact is.. these blocks are bought.. i own 1 of em, from different brand..

It just a brushless \ sinewave (or "quiet drive") motor , manufactured in asia.. but with good materials!
I like.to know.if this pump also has titanium screws, and titanium lining..

Anyhow.. mine has a needle wheel, and is m1 sized like.. does over 1650lph of air..

This could be a beast of a skimmer pump for ecotech

The housings are bought but the block is different. Ecotech says they use their own developed 36v coil where all the other brands are 24v

ArmanS · 08/18/2015, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 805reef

The housings are bought but the block is different. Ecotech says they use their own developed 36v coil where all the other brands are 24v

Have you decided to go with these? I was debating between 1 RD 3 230w or 2 of the L1 Pumps by Vortec, I am thinking of going Ecotech's route.

805reef · 08/18/2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmanS

Have you decided to go with these? I was debating between 1 RD 3 230w or 2 of the L1 Pumps by Vortec, I am thinking of going Ecotech's route.

I want the L1 but I don't know when they are going to be shipped. My new tank is going to be delivered either the weekend of the 29 or on the 6th. If there is no update on the L1 within the next week I'll go ahead and order the rd3.

The L1 would be great though, I even like the color better since my sump is all white (besides the front pane).

aronj2 · 08/18/2015, 02:00 PM

not to bash, but both are serious pumps!
I like the rd3, but ecotech support in my.country is not the best, but i hear the ecotech is really awesome in your country..

ArmanS · 08/18/2015, 02:00 PM

My sump is going to be White with a Red theme but the RD3 does not have that look going for it so I actually like the White look of the L1. Last I heard we are looking at late September for this pump.

805reef · 08/18/2015, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronj2

not to bash, but both are serious pumps!
I like the rd3, but ecotech support in my.country is not the best, but i hear the ecotech is really awesome in your country..

Which country are you in? Ecotech does have good support here in America and the support for royal exclusive is taking a big jump up here now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmanS

My sump is going to be White with a Red theme but the RD3 does not have that look going for it so I actually like the White look of the L1. Last I heard we are looking at late September for this pump.

That's what I'm thinking too... I keep hoping ecotech will surprise us and out of nowhere start shipping pumps out to everyone. These pumps really seem awesome for the price

savanyo · 08/18/2015, 02:06 PM

I'm puzzled why the outlet on the M1 pump is designed to connect to such a small 3/4" diameter pipe. Is this a concern? Can anyone explain this? All other pumps with a maximum flow of around 2000GPH have an outlet pipe of 1" or 1.25". I believe a 3/4" pipe at such a flow rate would have significant resistance and would translate to more power consumption. The only possible explanation I can conceive of is that ETM envisions using the pump as some sort of wave maker where they want ability to change the flow quickly. There would be less inertia for all the water in a 3/4" pipe compared to a 1" pipe.

I guess if you do not want to use 3/4" pipe, you could choose to not use the quick connector on the outlet and use a fitting to the outside thread of the outlet, which appear to be around 1-1/4" (guess). By the way, does anyone know the inside diameter of the pump outlet with the quick connector removed?

Another option would be to use the quick connector with 3/4" class 200 thin-wall PVC pipe, which has a ID of 0.93" and 200psi pressure rating.

JS

805reef · 08/18/2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by savanyo

I'm puzzled why the outlet on the M1 pump is designed to connect to such a small 3/4" diameter pipe. Is this a concern? Can anyone explain this? All other pumps with a maximum flow of around 2000GPH have an outlet pipe of 1" or 1.25". I believe a 3/4" pipe at such a flow rate would have significant resistance and would translate to more power consumption. The only possible explanation I can conceive of is that ETM envisions using the pump as some sort of wave maker where they want ability to change the flow quickly. There would be less inertia for all the water in a 3/4" pipe compared to a 1" pipe.

I guess if you do not want to use 3/4" pipe, you could choose to not use the quick connector on the outlet and use a fitting to the outside thread of the outlet, which appear to be around 1-1/4" (guess). By the way, does anyone know the inside diameter of the pump outlet with the quick connector removed?

Another option would be to use the quick connector with 3/4" class 200 thin-wall PVC pipe, which has a ID of 0.93" and 200psi pressure rating.

JS

L1 – 2” input, 1 ½” output (with quick coupler 1 ½” slip input, 1” slip output)
M1 – 1 ½”, input, 1 ¼” output (with quick coupler 1“ slip input, ¾” slip output)

I like the idea of the included quick connecter but I wouldn't use them myself because of the downsizing in pipe.

savanyo · 08/18/2015, 02:43 PM

The Vectra L1 appears to share the same motor block as the Deepwater Aquatics BLDC12 and the Abyzz A200 pumps. And the Vectra M1 pump appears to share the same motor block as the Deepwater Aquatics BLDC8 and the Abyzz SWDC-120. I'm not sure why the M1 is rated at 80W while BLDC8 is rated at 67W. Perhaps it is more similar to BLDC10 that is rated at 79W.

Assuming this is accurate and you don't care about ReefLink, EcoSmart Live, battery backup or better speed control, you could save yourself $150 and buy the equivalent Deepwater Aquatics pump. The Abyzz pumps are crazy expensive, probably because they come with a 10 year warranty.

Also if you do not need 2000GPH, Deepwater Aquatics has the smaller BLDC5 that is rated up to 1400GPH at only 34W.

JS

08/10/2015, 03:06 PM	#232
SPotter Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 5,691	I think this was covered already but I can't find the answer. If I'm using two pumps on a closed loop can they be synced? __________________ Steve Am I really doing all of this for a fish tank?????? Current Tank Info: 360g Envision Acrylic Tank, Closed Loops, Vectra L1's, MP40QD's, 400w Radiums, Regal 300ext, Dastaco Ext3 CaRx, Controlled by GHL Profilux

08/11/2015, 09:46 AM	#233
joshky Acros & Wrasses Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Central KY Posts: 2,546	Have any been shipped out yet? __________________ Josh My 80g: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2677031

08/13/2015, 03:24 PM	#236
rjallen Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Troy,Montana Posts: 440	I am surprised this thread has remained dormant today. This AM, I got a message the L1 pump was in stock at BRS. They showed them in stock on their website around 10am. I chose to wait on this product due to the confusion about use with APEX. RJA __________________ RJ 120 Reef, 40 Sump, Vectra M1 Return Pump, Vertex 180i Skimmer, 2 WP-40 controllable circulation pumps, BRS GFO Reactor, Avast Biopellet Reactor, Apex Controller, 2 part dosing, Dual Carbon/ Purige Current Tank Info: 120 Gal. Mixed Reef

08/13/2015, 04:39 PM	#239
Johnseye Reef Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Naperville, IL. Posts: 1,196	I've been waiting on a retailer to ship. As of today they have not received the pumps from EcoTech. __________________ - John New 260g build thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2557715 Current Tank Info: 260g reef, Giesemann Spectra MH/T5/Kessil A160, Dastaco CaRx, Vortechs, Lifereef skimmer, Red Dragon 3, Apex, Genesis, Angles, Tang, Trigger, Clowns, Anthias, Wrasses, Cardinals, SPS, LPS

08/18/2015, 02:00 PM	#246
ArmanS Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 90713 Posts: 1,391	My sump is going to be White with a Red theme but the RD3 does not have that look going for it so I actually like the White look of the L1. Last I heard we are looking at late September for this pump. __________________ 120" x 34" x 30" 540g Build Starting Soon! Royal Exclusiv Dream Box Sump, 2 x 60" ATI LED/T5, DaStaCo CARx, Apex, Genesis, BK SM 250, 3 x RD 3 230w, UV, ATS, & Arid Reactor! Will have build thread so

08/08/2015, 02:56 PM	#229
ViktorVaughn Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 619	If you to aquacave and view the pumps, there is a flow curve chart for running the pumps at full power (80 watts for M1) and different head heights. If the flow rates decrease proportionally with power (not sure) then it would be fairly simple to figure out, if not I'm sure more data will be released soon.

08/10/2015, 12:02 PM	#230
skinsncanes Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 156	so I wrote ecotech because I know me, and many others, split off their return pump. It goes to flow through cyclinders or canisters or uv or any number of other things. That all kinda defeats the purpose of the smart pump and many of the features of setting pressure so it doesnt back siphon, etc. Its not like its smart enough to monitor each pipe (which would be awesome) so I can ensure my overflows dont go over their 1200 max, that as filters clog they adjust, etc.

08/18/2015, 01:43 PM	#241
aronj2 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 45	I like the hype of qd here.. Fact is.. these blocks are bought.. i own 1 of em, from different brand.. It just a brushless \ sinewave (or "quiet drive") motor , manufactured in asia.. but with good materials! I like.to know.if this pump also has titanium screws, and titanium lining.. Anyhow.. mine has a needle wheel, and is m1 sized like.. does over 1650lph of air.. This could be a beast of a skimmer pump for ecotech

08/18/2015, 02:00 PM	#245
aronj2 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 45	not to bash, but both are serious pumps! I like the rd3, but ecotech support in my.country is not the best, but i hear the ecotech is really awesome in your country..

08/18/2015, 02:06 PM	#248
savanyo Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 56	I'm puzzled why the outlet on the M1 pump is designed to connect to such a small 3/4" diameter pipe. Is this a concern? Can anyone explain this? All other pumps with a maximum flow of around 2000GPH have an outlet pipe of 1" or 1.25". I believe a 3/4" pipe at such a flow rate would have significant resistance and would translate to more power consumption. The only possible explanation I can conceive of is that ETM envisions using the pump as some sort of wave maker where they want ability to change the flow quickly. There would be less inertia for all the water in a 3/4" pipe compared to a 1" pipe. I guess if you do not want to use 3/4" pipe, you could choose to not use the quick connector on the outlet and use a fitting to the outside thread of the outlet, which appear to be around 1-1/4" (guess). By the way, does anyone know the inside diameter of the pump outlet with the quick connector removed? Another option would be to use the quick connector with 3/4" class 200 thin-wall PVC pipe, which has a ID of 0.93" and 200psi pressure rating. JS

08/18/2015, 02:43 PM	#250
savanyo Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 56	The Vectra L1 appears to share the same motor block as the Deepwater Aquatics BLDC12 and the Abyzz A200 pumps. And the Vectra M1 pump appears to share the same motor block as the Deepwater Aquatics BLDC8 and the Abyzz SWDC-120. I'm not sure why the M1 is rated at 80W while BLDC8 is rated at 67W. Perhaps it is more similar to BLDC10 that is rated at 79W. Assuming this is accurate and you don't care about ReefLink, EcoSmart Live, battery backup or better speed control, you could save yourself $150 and buy the equivalent Deepwater Aquatics pump. The Abyzz pumps are crazy expensive, probably because they come with a 10 year warranty. Also if you do not need 2000GPH, Deepwater Aquatics has the smaller BLDC5 that is rated up to 1400GPH at only 34W. JS