EuroReef Club - Page 10

jnb · 04/22/2005, 09:23 AM

I would never want to live with a er skimmer that was sitting in water that constantly changed levels - you can not tune it correctly - you gotta fix this

Quote:

Originally posted by nebraskareef
you could always put the skimmer in a container in the sump that will hold a static water level for the skimmer to run in.

Antman · 04/22/2005, 12:23 PM

I Just got my ES5-2 & Can I just say WOW with the box alone !!

Antman · 04/22/2005, 12:23 PM

I Just got my ES5-2 & Can I just say WOW with the box alone !!

nebraskareef · 04/22/2005, 12:32 PM

I too, was that excited when the fed-ex man delivered my skimmer. The 2 days before it was delivered I must have looked at that tracking page 10 times an hour...no lie.

Antman · 04/23/2005, 07:33 AM

OK so I am building a new sump for my ES5-2 to live in . I know it should be 6-8 " water hight . Can it be 12" high ? If so will this efect the proformance of the unit ?
Thanks ~

tenshi · 04/23/2005, 07:56 AM

it can be higher than that but it will affect performance. if you don't want to affect performance and want to keep a higher water level in your sump, maybe you can make eggcreate or pvc stand for the skimmer to sit on top of.

drock59 · 04/23/2005, 09:57 AM

Could someoone explain why deeper water level in the sump efffects skimmer performance.

tenshi · 04/23/2005, 11:14 AM

I'll try to give it shot.

Imagine this say you have an air pump. That air pump has a maximum amount of air it can pump. Now say we attach an airline hose to the pump. The moment we do so the amount of air being delivered at the end of airline is reduced compared to the amount of air the pump would produce with out the airline because of the friction between the air and the inside of the airline. The amount that is reduced is a very small fraction though. We all know that as we go deeper into a body of water the pressure increases right. So when we stick the airline into a body of water the amount of air coming out of the airline is reduced. As we bring the end of the airline deeper into the body of water, the amount of air coming out the end of the airline becomes less and less. This happens because the air pump can only produce so much push (pressure) to overcome the pressure present at the end of the airline. Eventually if you go deep enough the air pump will no longer be able to overcome the water pressure and air will stop coming out of the airline altogether.

Now if we replace the air pump which pushes air, with a venturi that sucks in air the same principle is at work. The venturi can only suck in so much air with a certain amount of water flow going through it. As we submerge the venturi deeper into the water it can suck less and less air.

I hope this helped and didn't confuse.

APorter · 04/23/2005, 02:06 PM

I'm putting together a list of equipment for my new tank (62g) and was originally going to go with a ASM skimmer. I've found a new CS5-3 that's within my price range and cheaper than the ASM. The CS5-3 is rated for 90g, so I think I'll be fine with 62g main and 20g sump. If you see a problem with this skimmer on my system please let me know.

drock59 · 04/23/2005, 02:09 PM

very good, thanks.

jnb · 04/24/2005, 05:49 AM

I have a CS 6-1 with gate mod, extra sedra 3500 (with venturi, needle impellor, etc) that had been in service less than a year that I will see for 70% of what I paid for it - it also has an extra collection cup

Quote:

Originally posted by APorter
I'm putting together a list of equipment for my new tank (62g) and was originally going to go with a ASM skimmer. I've found a new CS5-3 that's within my price range and cheaper than the ASM. The CS5-3 is rated for 90g, so I think I'll be fine with 62g main and 20g sump. If you see a problem with this skimmer on my system please let me know.

stevem650 · 04/27/2005, 09:00 PM

I joined the ER club. I purchased a cs8-2. Looks like the newer pump because I dont see sedra on it. Enclosed with the skimmer is a tube of lube. Does this get put around the gasket o ring? I was fitting the collection cup on the base, turned it in place only to find that I was not able to remove it unless I use lots of force. Does the lube make it east to turn? It's real hard to get the collection cup off for cleaning. I am going to install the skimmer this weekend. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks

Lunchbucket · 04/27/2005, 09:20 PM

steve- i have put vasoline around the threads of my union and on the o-ring. this helps it screw and unscrew easier and it seals better on the o-ring.

you sure you didn't overtighten the union too much and that is why it takes too much force to undo it??

Lunchubucket

FearToy · 04/27/2005, 09:47 PM

I need to get a new skimmer!
what size do i get? 150gal loaded 200 lbs rock.
I had a old berlin red sea.
I was also going to get a 40 gal refu.
mmmm new skimmer !!!!!!

Lunchbucket · 04/27/2005, 09:48 PM

whatever the biggest size you can fit in your sump!!! get that size

Lunchbucket

FearToy · 04/27/2005, 09:50 PM

i am getting a new sump also !!!!

Lunchbucket · 04/27/2005, 10:31 PM

well wait till you know the inside dimensions. then get the biggest ER skimmer that will fit it.

Lunchbucket

Codeman00 · 04/27/2005, 11:07 PM

Put me in the club...I got a used ES5-2 from a friend for $110 after he upgraded to a bigger Euro-Reef skimmer. The pump is only 2 months old. What a deal!

Antman · 04/28/2005, 11:21 AM

Hello all ~ why would some es5-2 skimmers have a dolphin pump on it ?
I thought the euros use SEDRA KSP3500 ?
Is one better than the other ?Thanks ~

dkh0331 · 04/28/2005, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Antman
Hello all ~ why would some es5-2 skimmers have a dolphin pump on it ?
I thought the euros use SEDRA KSP3500 ?
Is one better than the other ?Thanks ~

In the now defunct ER Forum, ER addressed that the two pumps were basically the same pump and some of their skimmers went out with the dolphin. Iif memory serves me correctly, because of a pump inventory/manufacurting issue.

David

Reef Addict II · 04/28/2005, 11:40 AM

Hi everyone,

Well put me in the club too

I just picked up a 180g system and I now have a CS8-5 Eurreef skimmer.

The skimmer is working great, just had to put a 100 micron filter bag on it to get rid of all the extra bubbles

Steve

drock59 · 04/28/2005, 11:41 AM

so what is the deal with the new beta pumps? I know they are supposed to inject more air and all that, but when are they going to be available?

UNIFEX · 04/28/2005, 01:19 PM

i got a brand new cs5-2 for my 10g acro tank,
how's that for oversized?
anyway, it's been about 5 days now scince i dropped it in
my sump and still no foam. it almost looks like it's working
in fresh water or something. so much so that it made me
check my salinity(1.022), i even did a partial water change
and increased salinity to 1.025, just to be safe. i also took
it out and gave it a hot water bath , but it's been 2 days
scince then. also, i noticed that when i first put it in the sump
it actually was overflowing it was foaming so much, but
then it stopped. i put in a bag of of chemi-pure in the
sump, could that have stopped foam production?
i bought an es5-2 a while ago and it was foaming in a matter
of hours, even with chemi-pure in the sump.
am i missing something??

drock59 · 04/28/2005, 05:52 PM

whenever i add something to the tank, ANYTHING, the skimmer goes nuts or foam production stops. why dont you take the chemi pure out and let it go for a day. Also, keep you hands out of the water as that will decrease foam production.

My two cents.

UNIFEX · 04/28/2005, 11:52 PM

thanks for the reply, i did in fact take out the chemi-pure when i gave the skimmer it's bath, so i'll just have to wait.
btw, how would i know if i received one of the newer pumps with my euroreef? it does have one of the new quick disconnects on the neck instead of the union, and the pump doent say sedra or dolphin on it, it just has a number on a sticker with a euroreef logo on it, thats it. it looks pretty much the same. it does seem like theres an extra vinyl washer on the impeller.
i also took the elbow off of the pump output and plugged it straight into the body, i heard you can get as much as 25%
increase in efficency that way.

04/22/2005, 12:32 PM	#229
nebraskareef MFCEO Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,495 Blog Entries: 1	I too, was that excited when the fed-ex man delivered my skimmer. The 2 days before it was delivered I must have looked at that tracking page 10 times an hour...no lie. __________________ Originally Posted by tmz "Now if I drink the vodka the colors do look much better than if I drink the vinegar."

04/23/2005, 09:57 AM	#232
drock59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 3,802	Could someoone explain why deeper water level in the sump efffects skimmer performance. __________________ Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. Mark Twain Current Tank Info: 93g Marineland cube. SPS dominated. Vortech mp40. 2 x AI sol super blues. SRO 2000 int skimmer. Mag 18 return. Korallin 1500 calcium reactor.

04/23/2005, 02:06 PM	#234
APorter Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 234	I'm putting together a list of equipment for my new tank (62g) and was originally going to go with a ASM skimmer. I've found a new CS5-3 that's within my price range and cheaper than the ASM. The CS5-3 is rated for 90g, so I think I'll be fine with 62g main and 20g sump. If you see a problem with this skimmer on my system please let me know. __________________ ~APorter 67 gal In-wall (RIP Oct. 2008) Visions of a nano in my future

04/23/2005, 02:09 PM	#235
drock59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 3,802	very good, thanks. __________________ Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. Mark Twain Current Tank Info: 93g Marineland cube. SPS dominated. Vortech mp40. 2 x AI sol super blues. SRO 2000 int skimmer. Mag 18 return. Korallin 1500 calcium reactor.

04/27/2005, 09:00 PM	#237
stevem650 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Boca Raton, Fla Posts: 712	I joined the ER club. I purchased a cs8-2. Looks like the newer pump because I dont see sedra on it. Enclosed with the skimmer is a tube of lube. Does this get put around the gasket o ring? I was fitting the collection cup on the base, turned it in place only to find that I was not able to remove it unless I use lots of force. Does the lube make it east to turn? It's real hard to get the collection cup off for cleaning. I am going to install the skimmer this weekend. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks __________________ Red Sea Reefer 750, Apex, AquaMaxx Q3 Skimmer, 2 tunze 6105, 4 x Radion XR30 G4 Pros, Reef Octopus Varios 8 return pump, 150lbs rock. Current Tank Info: RedSea Reefer 750

04/22/2005, 12:23 PM	#227
Antman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,349	I Just got my ES5-2 & Can I just say WOW with the box alone !!

04/22/2005, 12:23 PM	#228
Antman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,349	I Just got my ES5-2 & Can I just say WOW with the box alone !!

04/23/2005, 07:33 AM	#230
Antman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,349	OK so I am building a new sump for my ES5-2 to live in . I know it should be 6-8 " water hight . Can it be 12" high ? If so will this efect the proformance of the unit ? Thanks ~

04/23/2005, 07:56 AM	#231
tenshi Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 265	it can be higher than that but it will affect performance. if you don't want to affect performance and want to keep a higher water level in your sump, maybe you can make eggcreate or pvc stand for the skimmer to sit on top of.

04/23/2005, 11:14 AM	#233
tenshi Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 265	I'll try to give it shot. Imagine this say you have an air pump. That air pump has a maximum amount of air it can pump. Now say we attach an airline hose to the pump. The moment we do so the amount of air being delivered at the end of airline is reduced compared to the amount of air the pump would produce with out the airline because of the friction between the air and the inside of the airline. The amount that is reduced is a very small fraction though. We all know that as we go deeper into a body of water the pressure increases right. So when we stick the airline into a body of water the amount of air coming out of the airline is reduced. As we bring the end of the airline deeper into the body of water, the amount of air coming out the end of the airline becomes less and less. This happens because the air pump can only produce so much push (pressure) to overcome the pressure present at the end of the airline. Eventually if you go deep enough the air pump will no longer be able to overcome the water pressure and air will stop coming out of the airline altogether. Now if we replace the air pump which pushes air, with a venturi that sucks in air the same principle is at work. The venturi can only suck in so much air with a certain amount of water flow going through it. As we submerge the venturi deeper into the water it can suck less and less air. I hope this helped and didn't confuse.

04/27/2005, 09:20 PM	#238
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	steve- i have put vasoline around the threads of my union and on the o-ring. this helps it screw and unscrew easier and it seals better on the o-ring. you sure you didn't overtighten the union too much and that is why it takes too much force to undo it?? Lunchubucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

04/27/2005, 09:47 PM	#239
FearToy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Escondido Ca. Posts: 17	I need to get a new skimmer! what size do i get? 150gal loaded 200 lbs rock. I had a old berlin red sea. I was also going to get a 40 gal refu. mmmm new skimmer !!!!!! __________________ Fear is not a toy to play with. Current Tank Info: 72lx24wx30h reef/fish

04/27/2005, 09:48 PM	#240
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	whatever the biggest size you can fit in your sump!!! get that size Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

04/27/2005, 09:50 PM	#241
FearToy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Escondido Ca. Posts: 17	i am getting a new sump also !!!! __________________ Fear is not a toy to play with. Current Tank Info: 72lx24wx30h reef/fish

04/27/2005, 10:31 PM	#242
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	well wait till you know the inside dimensions. then get the biggest ER skimmer that will fit it. Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

04/27/2005, 11:07 PM	#243
Codeman00 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Goodlettsville, TN Posts: 1,664	Put me in the club...I got a used ES5-2 from a friend for $110 after he upgraded to a bigger Euro-Reef skimmer. The pump is only 2 months old. What a deal!

04/28/2005, 11:21 AM	#244
Antman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,349	Hello all ~ why would some es5-2 skimmers have a dolphin pump on it ? I thought the euros use SEDRA KSP3500 ? Is one better than the other ?Thanks ~

04/28/2005, 11:40 AM	#246
Reef Addict II Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Waterford, WI Posts: 745	Hi everyone, Well put me in the club too I just picked up a 180g system and I now have a CS8-5 Eurreef skimmer. The skimmer is working great, just had to put a 100 micron filter bag on it to get rid of all the extra bubbles Steve

04/28/2005, 11:41 AM	#247
drock59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 3,802	so what is the deal with the new beta pumps? I know they are supposed to inject more air and all that, but when are they going to be available? __________________ Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. Mark Twain Current Tank Info: 93g Marineland cube. SPS dominated. Vortech mp40. 2 x AI sol super blues. SRO 2000 int skimmer. Mag 18 return. Korallin 1500 calcium reactor.

04/28/2005, 01:19 PM	#248
UNIFEX Moved On Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 55	i got a brand new cs5-2 for my 10g acro tank, how's that for oversized? anyway, it's been about 5 days now scince i dropped it in my sump and still no foam. it almost looks like it's working in fresh water or something. so much so that it made me check my salinity(1.022), i even did a partial water change and increased salinity to 1.025, just to be safe. i also took it out and gave it a hot water bath , but it's been 2 days scince then. also, i noticed that when i first put it in the sump it actually was overflowing it was foaming so much, but then it stopped. i put in a bag of of chemi-pure in the sump, could that have stopped foam production? i bought an es5-2 a while ago and it was foaming in a matter of hours, even with chemi-pure in the sump. am i missing something??

04/28/2005, 05:52 PM	#249
drock59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 3,802	whenever i add something to the tank, ANYTHING, the skimmer goes nuts or foam production stops. why dont you take the chemi pure out and let it go for a day. Also, keep you hands out of the water as that will decrease foam production. My two cents. __________________ Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. Mark Twain Current Tank Info: 93g Marineland cube. SPS dominated. Vortech mp40. 2 x AI sol super blues. SRO 2000 int skimmer. Mag 18 return. Korallin 1500 calcium reactor.

04/28/2005, 11:52 PM	#250
UNIFEX Moved On Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 55	thanks for the reply, i did in fact take out the chemi-pure when i gave the skimmer it's bath, so i'll just have to wait. btw, how would i know if i received one of the newer pumps with my euroreef? it does have one of the new quick disconnects on the neck instead of the union, and the pump doent say sedra or dolphin on it, it just has a number on a sticker with a euroreef logo on it, thats it. it looks pretty much the same. it does seem like theres an extra vinyl washer on the impeller. i also took the elbow off of the pump output and plugged it straight into the body, i heard you can get as much as 25% increase in efficency that way.