Kessil Club

[madweazl]

Originally Posted by golferbud101691

Thats what I was looking to hear from someone. My tank just looks pretty dark with the lights on 30% intensity. I know the kessils are more powerful than the human eye can detect, but it throws me for a loop.

I went SPS dominant a few weeks back and added a Coral+ and Blue+ T5 with a LET T5 retrofit. I left the intensity and color of the Kessils as they were and started the T5s at four hours a day. I'm now up to six hours per day; none of the corals exhibited any stress with the additional light from the T5s and visually, it is more appealing to the eye. You still get pretty good shimmer but I find it more appealing visually with the higher observable light levels.

[golferbud101691]

Originally Posted by madweazl

I went SPS dominant a few weeks back and added a Coral+ and Blue+ T5 with a LET T5 retrofit. I left the intensity and color of the Kessils as they were and started the T5s at four hours a day. I'm now up to six hours per day; none of the corals exhibited any stress with the additional light from the T5s and visually, it is more appealing to the eye. You still get pretty good shimmer but I find it more appealing visually with the higher observable light levels.

I've got 2 36" coral plus t5's on either side of my kessils but haven't been running them because my coras didn't respond well to the increased light.

[WLachnit]

Originally Posted by madweazl

I had acros growing with max intensity of 40% on a 12 hour photoperiod. Listen to you corals, if they respond to lower intensity, lower the intensity and dont worry about what you hear, see, or read on a web forum.

I completely agree with this.


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[ElementalJ]

Originally Posted by WLachnit

I completely agree with this.


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I do as well. The kessil is designed to penetrate the water and increasing intensity without observation would be deadly to the corals requiring less light.


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[toddmau5]

Hey Guys just joined the club. 3 a360we. What par is everyone running their lights at? I have 2 a160w on a smaller tank and even at 15% it still seems to burn and bleach things. The 360we are at 100% and Im getting ~60 par at the sand bed. I know par meters under rate LEDs by a lot. Just curious what par most people are running their kessils at.

[zues2006]

How is this unit for growing sps and bubble tip anemone ?
The unit is within my price range.
I intend to use it for my 55 gallon.
I have a small protien skimmer, 5 fish, and I like softies includding mushrooms, zoas, and I want to be able to keep a bubble tip Anonomes.

[Thor2j]

Originally Posted by toddmau5

Hey Guys just joined the club. 3 a360we. What par is everyone running their lights at? I have 2 a160w on a smaller tank and even at 15% it still seems to burn and bleach things. The 360we are at 100% and Im getting ~60 par at the sand bed. I know par meters under rate LEDs by a lot. Just curious what par most people are running their kessils at.

What are the dimensions of your tank??? Something seems wrong with your par meter. I had 3 and then 4 on a 5 ft long 24" deep and at 65% was close to 90 on bottom with only 3.

PAR meters do not under rate LEDS, some of the cheaper and older models didn't do as well with the blues way down in the wavelength. Ones like the apogee 520 have been fixed.

[toddmau5]

Originally Posted by Thor2j

What are the dimensions of your tank??? Something seems wrong with your par meter. I had 3 and then 4 on a 5 ft long 24" deep and at 65% was close to 90 on bottom with only 3.

PAR meters do not under rate LEDS, some of the cheaper and older models didn't do as well with the blues way down in the wavelength. Ones like the apogee 520 have been fixed.

84x24x30 deep. I knew I'd be pushing the limits of the kessils going into it. But I was also second guessing my par readings

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[Thor2j]

Originally Posted by toddmau5

84x24x30 deep. I knew I'd be pushing the limits of the kessils going into it. But I was also second guessing my par readings

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That might be legit with 30" deep. Maybe a little low. For sps dominant youd need 7 of the 360s. Probably 5 for light sps.

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[toddmau5]

Originally Posted by Thor2j

That might be legit with 30" deep. Maybe a little low. For sps dominant youd need 7 of the 360s. Probably 5 for light sps.

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I knew I'd need at least 4, I have the 3 right now and we'll see how it does with T5 supplement

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[Thor2j]

Originally Posted by toddmau5

I knew I'd need at least 4, I have the 3 right now and we'll see how it does with T5 supplement

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Oh sorry, missed u had t5s

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[madweazl]

Originally Posted by toddmau5

84x24x30 deep. I knew I'd be pushing the limits of the kessils going into it. But I was also second guessing my par readings

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You're going to need five minimum along with the T5s; six would be my recommendation. I posted a PAR map a few pages back; note the measurements at only 15" deep.

[toddmau5]

Originally Posted by madweazl

You're going to need five minimum along with the T5s; six would be my recommendation. I posted a PAR map a few pages back; note the measurements at only 15" deep.

Spacing just gets really weird since there is a 3" cross brace every 25" I think I would have to do 6

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[roberthu526]

Originally Posted by madweazl

You're going to need five minimum along with the T5s; six would be my recommendation. I posted a PAR map a few pages back; note the measurements at only 15" deep.

Dang I am sad! I just bought five 360we's for a 96" long, 30" deep, and 24" high tank thought it would be good enough. Guess I need another one? I am not into acros though. LPS junky here. Do I still need to have more than 6?
Thank you in advance.


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[WLachnit]

Originally Posted by roberthu526

Dang I am sad! I just bought five 360we's for a 96" long, 30" deep, and 24" high tank thought it would be good enough. Guess I need another one? I am not into acros though. LPS junky here. Do I still need to have more than 6?
Thank you in advance.


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I run six 360we across 96" length. You're probably fine with five for an LPS tank. Are you running any T5 to supplement?


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[roberthu526]

Originally Posted by WLachnit

I run six 360we across 96" length. You're probably fine with five for an LPS tank. Are you running any T5 to supplement?


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Nah. I chose LED because of it's longevity. The idea of changing bulbs every year makes me tired already...


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[ComforablyNumb]

5 on an 8' lps tank, you'll be fine. LPS tanks are amongst the prettiest and most interesting.
One more would not hurt tho.

[madweazl]

Originally Posted by roberthu526

Dang I am sad! I just bought five 360we's for a 96" long, 30" deep, and 24" high tank thought it would be good enough. Guess I need another one? I am not into acros though. LPS junky here. Do I still need to have more than 6?
Thank you in advance.
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Five on 15" centers would likely work for LPS but you bottleneck yourself down the road should you choose to add SPS (which inevitably seems to happen). If annual changes of T5s is an issue, you may as well sell off all your equipment now because there inst anything as set and forget as T5s.

[bif24701]

Originally Posted by roberthu526

Dang I am sad! I just bought five 360we's for a 96" long, 30" deep, and 24" high tank thought it would be good enough. Guess I need another one? I am not into acros though. LPS junky here. Do I still need to have more than 6?
Thank you in advance.


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For LPS and maybe some SPS you will be ok. May need to verify PAR on the bottom. The wide 360 has great spread but not as much punch with deeper tanks. Anything about 50 and should be ok with some LPS.


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[toddmau5]

Lol feel like I was bamboozled by the kessil rep at reefapalooza

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[roberthu526]

Originally Posted by madweazl

Five on 15" centers would likely work for LPS but you bottleneck yourself down the road should you choose to add SPS (which inevitably seems to happen). If annual changes of T5s is an issue, you may as well sell off all your equipment now because there inst anything as set and forget as T5s.

LOL
LED is more set and forget


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[vhuang168]

Originally Posted by roberthu526

LOL
LED is more set and forget


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Especially A360/A160. Pick the color and intensity. Put it on a timer and you are done.


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[Bronx19]

Originally Posted by roberthu526

LOL
LED is more set and forget


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Rubbish.

You turn a T5 unit on, done. Even the hanging height makes bugger all difference.

LED requires the right intensity, colour, hanging height, spacing.

You only need look at all the LED threads, thousands of questions regarding intensity because 'my corals are shrinking/bleaching'.

[roberthu526]

Originally Posted by Bronx19

Rubbish.



You turn a T5 unit on, done. Even the hanging height makes bugger all difference.



LED requires the right intensity, colour, hanging height, spacing.



You only need look at all the LED threads, thousands of questions regarding intensity because 'my corals are shrinking/bleaching'.

Same thing can be said to any equipments we use in this hobby. But that doesn't mean opinions that differ from yours are rubbish.


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[crazymman]

I have a 45 gallon cube. 2424x18.. I currently have 1 160we. I'm trying to figure out if I should buy one more 160 or go with 1 360? I plan on keeping sps and lps. Any thoughts?