MP40 vs 6105 vs WP40

[alton]

Okay back on track if I where to buy another pump today it would be another Tunze, I have owned a MP 10, it was quiet and worked well. The WP40 has not been out long enough for me to buy one.

[nynick]

Originally Posted by alton

Looking at the Jabeo pump website the power supplies they use is UL listed but not there products or at least I did not see that posted and there warranty is 180 days. But you are still not going to change how I feel about a company that makes a pump that looks exactly like another

Hope you don't drive an American car then. They have been looking suspiciously like Japanese cars for 10+ years now.

[sirreal63]

You mean like these original Chinese cars?
http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/f...made-knockoffs

[SimonSKL]

I don't like the direction this thread is heading. Unsubscribed.

[sirreal63]

Thanks for the heads up, there is no way to know when you unsubscribe from a thread.

[TheGodParticle]

Originally Posted by sirreal63

You mean like these original Chinese cars?
http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/f...made-knockoffs

The thing I like most about that article is in the first paragraph. About how if it has buyers it can be faked. This is obviously a glaring example.

[nynick]

Originally Posted by sirreal63

You mean like these original Chinese cars?
http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/f...made-knockoffs

I am guessing that you missed that many of those cars are actually licensed by the original manufacturer. A new name in a new country does not always mean knockoff. It can be that the name in inappropriate or hard to pronounce in a new language. It can also mean that the original manufacturer takes a fat licensing check for a product he knows is garbage and will not allow them the use of the original name to protect its reputation.

Perhaps next time you should be more skeptic about articles on knockoffs you get from a magazine called Topgear that is in no way affiliated with Topgear.....

[sirreal63]

The article is of no importance to anything, unless you think the magazine just made up the cars but that doesn't seem to be your point. Which one of those vehicles is an authorized duplicate?

[nynick]

The article itself may not be of any importance but that you got it from a magazine with a more than obvious knockoff name without questioning it is. This thread is going from bad to worse very fast with many people having some narrow-minded opinions a very large and complex country. There are plenty of bad things to say about China as it is today but this still does not mean that we can throw generic blanket statements around.

To answer your question: Any car produced by Brilliance Automotive would be legit and they produce a lot, exactly which I do not know. The Mini obviously isn't a copy, besides a box like shape and the color of the roof they have little in common, maybe inspired by would apply but this is not uncommon anywhere in the world. The only car I know for sure to be a knockoff out of those 10 is the Chery QQ since there is a documented lawsuit which I believe GM won....in China.

I am in no way defending people who are stealing other peoples ideas. The moment you make significant changes to something it isn't other peoples ideas anymore. When it comes to the WP40 I am not seeing knockoff besides possibly the incredibly cheesy name. It looks a little bit like a Tunze but does not operate like one. This is a significant change.

There are very few totally original products in the world so the word knockoff is pretty easy to use. China does not exactly have the world monopoly on these sort of things. The biggest knockoff in history is American (Microsoft) and so is the biggest patent fraud (Bell). From my home (Sweden) you have IKEA and H&M which I am sorry to say is garbage and often dangerously close to plagiarism. China produces more goods than the US and EU combined so of course there is junk made there. Without a doubt there is proportionally more junk made in China than in the US or EU but that does not mean that everything they make is a knockoff or garbage. They also produce a lot of things intended for a third world market that finds itself in our homes via Ebay etc with astronomical markups.

How about some reviews on the WP40 based on the actual performance of the item.

[karsseboom]

Originally Posted by nynick

The article itself may not be of any importance but that you got it from a magazine with a more than obvious knockoff name without questioning it is. This thread is going from bad to worse very fast with many people having some narrow-minded opinions a very large and complex country. There are plenty of bad things to say about China as it is today but this still does not mean that we can throw generic blanket statements around.

To answer your question: Any car produced by Brilliance Automotive would be legit and they produce a lot, exactly which I do not know. The Mini obviously isn't a copy, besides a box like shape and the color of the roof they have little in common, maybe inspired by would apply but this is not uncommon anywhere in the world. The only car I know for sure to be a knockoff out of those 10 is the Chery QQ since there is a documented lawsuit which I believe GM won....in China.

I am in no way defending people who are stealing other peoples ideas. The moment you make significant changes to something it isn't other peoples ideas anymore. When it comes to the WP40 I am not seeing knockoff besides possibly the incredibly cheesy name. It looks a little bit like a Tunze but does not operate like one. This is a significant change.

There are very few totally original products in the world so the word knockoff is pretty easy to use. China does not exactly have the world monopoly on these sort of things. The biggest knockoff in history is American (Microsoft) and so is the biggest patent fraud (Bell). From my home (Sweden) you have IKEA and H&M which I am sorry to say is garbage and often dangerously close to plagiarism. China produces more goods than the US and EU combined so of course there is junk made there. Without a doubt there is proportionally more junk made in China than in the US or EU but that does not mean that everything they make is a knockoff or garbage. They also produce a lot of things intended for a third world market that finds itself in our homes via Ebay etc with astronomical markups.

How about some reviews on the WP40 based on the actual performance of the item.

Apparently you don't know much about cars then. I looked over all those models and know them pretty well and I would say they are close to direct copy's as I have ever seen.

China did not invent the controllable water pump. They made a copy or very close resembling sibling of something that has been out for a while now. That is the problem people have with it. Now if you decide it's best to risk a electric shock and buy the cheaper alternative that it totally fine. I have thought about buying one of these but not sure it would be worth it if it doesn't last.

[sirreal63]

The magazine is a Summit Media and BBC owned entity, I am sorry you have a problem with that, but it doesn't take anything away from the article. I absolutely agree that crap can and is produced worldwide and China does not have that market all to themselves. There are good products and bad products produced all over, but currently China is leading the way in copycat products because they just don't care. It is what it is and unfortunately people see a cheap price and don't care beyond that. This isn't the first or the last piece of equipment that will be duped.

The long lasting issue is what happens when companies no longer release their best innovations. If there is no way to at least protect them for a period of time, then there is no incentive to produce. We already have lost most of our manufacturing base, it is now in China. What we say with our purchases today sets the stage for what we will be able to buy tomorrow. No the world will not collapse because of this pump. :-)

[scott324]

Simon, instead of looking for reasons to justify it, do this instead. See if you can find a Chinese original design, of excellent quality with a warranty that is worth something backed up by a staff worldwide to handle any issues that may arise.

This is such a ridiculous statement that implies an anti-Chinese product bias. Maybe we should all go back to using knives/swords and have our military give up guns. The Chinese invented Gunpowder - pretty original design that has been "knocked off" the world over!

[sirreal63]

Gunpowder...warranted by whom, supported by what staff worldwide? So it sounds like you do not believe that China dupes anything and your argument for that is they invented gunpowder? I missed something.

[Ron Reefman]

Hey guys, come on, this is getting ridiculous! If we want to talk about pumps and compare and contrast the ones we started with, cool. But this is getting WAY off the beaten path. If you want to ...discuss... cars and knock offs, start a new thread in the lounge.

PLEASE!

[sirreal63]

Agreed, we really haven't achieved anything. People still have the right to make whatever equipment choices they want, for whatever reason they want.

[Ron Reefman]

Thanks Jack, see how easy it is to make friends... even ones with some fairly different opinions! Thanks, my friend.

BTW, did you see my Belize pics in the Lounge section? What a GREAT trip! We spent 3 hours on the inner reef (12 miles off shore) at Laughingbird Caye and Elaine, my wife, took about 250 underwater pics!

[nynick]

First of all you are correct about the magazine it is indeed not a knockoff. I should have read the fine print better.....my bad. The opening phrase "We all know the Chinese copy everything. Blatantly, to be very specific about it." naturally made me think that the BBC could not possibly have anything to do with this rubbish....but I was wrong.

Some of you are totally missing what people are having problems with here. You can argue that Jebao has made a pump that is a little too close to the Tunze. I do not believe it is but I am the first to admit that I do not own one and I might be wrong.

The moment you claim that China is producing a pump that is a little too close to Tunze you are out on some very thin and slippery ice. Due to corruption and, in some areas, an uneducated workforce there has been horrendous products coming from some Chinese companies. This still does not make it ok to slam something because it is Chinese or to make categorical statements about China. Unless you are certain beyond any doubt that 100% of Chinese people are represented by your statements this needs to be addressed case by case and without national stereotypes.

[Ron Reefman]

Well said nynick, I agree completely. Now, let's leave China out of the discussion and talk about the merits of the various pumps.

BTW, my WP40 has been in W1 mode at 18V almost 100% of the last 2+ months and has run flawlessly other than the night mode sensor needing a bit of light to work properly (it seems crazy to me that it needs light at night).

[sirreal63]

I saw the pics Ron, put down the Bloody Mary and finish uploading them, I know you have a lot more.

[nynick]

...and yes, AMAZING pics! Heading over to the lounge now.

[Ron Reefman]

We did 90 minutes, stopped for lunch and then did an other 90 minutes. For one small island it has one he!! of a lot of nice coral. The lee side of the island was dead calm, shallow (4-10' deep) even 250 yards off the beach and nice coral heads everywhere. And even cooler, the fish didn't seem to be nearly as 'skittish' as the fish we snorkel with in the Florida Keys or even the Bahamas.