Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? - Page 12

Creetin · 10/27/2006, 07:41 AM

On second thought maybe that was modded. Looks like the flange is still there. Evedence that it was modded. Hmmmm

Creetin · 10/27/2006, 12:58 PM

Looking at the other pics it looks like it was made that way. The flange is on it though. The pic of it wrapped you can see the elbow.
I know its not cheaper to do it out of acrylic in material and labor so there must be lodgic behind it.
I am sure hoping my skimmer is in a box headed to me.

Quatro · 10/27/2006, 02:43 PM

Anybody care to comment on which skimmer I should get, BM200 or BM250?

20 gallons net? LOL.

Actually, I'll be upgrading to about 100 gallons in the next few months for mainly sps and some nice stuff, so would you go for a BM200 or BM250? BM200 should do the trick, but a BM250 would be fun and over the top! ? Suggestions ?

Thanks!

UCanDoIt · 10/27/2006, 03:03 PM

BM200, come on?

Quatro · 10/27/2006, 03:28 PM

Yeah I know. First it was just the BM150, then it was BM150 or BM200, now I can't decide between BM200 or BM250 !!!

Ah well, at least you all know you'll get a review of one of ATI's skimmers, just don't know which one yet! lol.

Roland Jacques · 10/27/2006, 04:52 PM

It would be funny if in 6 months you see a lot of people selling their BM 250 skimmers because they will be finding that their over skimming their tanks.

It is looking more and more that they are actually rated pretty appropriately. at least that what a number of people have been telling me.

Harry, I think the 250 may be a waste of some extra money on a 100. but you can always sell it and buy a smaller one.

Charlie Davidson · 10/27/2006, 05:35 PM

Roland, Please explain your thoughts on over skimming.. My thoughts (so far) have been that it can't be done with just air bubbles...

(No challenge- just want to learn more)

Mchava · 10/27/2006, 05:41 PM

well I am getting the bm250 for my 90g tank

. They way I look at it is if two pumps are too much then I can always turn one off and when I do up grade my tank. I dont have to buy a new skimmer. All I would have to do it plug in the second pump.

Newreeflady · 10/27/2006, 11:15 PM

I ordered the 150 for my 36g display +15g sump system. I'll post a review when it comes in and I get to try it for a week.

-A

Creetin · 10/28/2006, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mchava
well I am getting the bm250 for my 90g tank. They way I look at it is if two pumps are too much then I can always turn one off and when I do up grade my tank. I dont have to buy a new skimmer. All I would have to do it plug in the second pump.

Very well put!!

When in doubt get the bigger one.

jman77 · 10/28/2006, 04:09 AM

"Anybody care to comment on which skimmer I should get, BM200 or BM250?

20 gallons net? LOL."

you know your nuts right ? I wouldn't even get a skimmer now. Just keep up with water changes and run GAC or purigen....

Bm250... lol ...pass over that J ...that some good stuff your smoking

Mchava · 10/28/2006, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Creetin
Very well put!! When in doubt get the bigger one.

thanks, and the price diffrence is small so that is why i went that route.

UCanDoIt · 10/28/2006, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hceiv
Yeah I know. First it was just the BM150, then it was BM150 or BM200, now I can't decide between BM200 or BM250 !!!

Ah well, at least you all know you'll get a review of one of ATI's skimmers, just don't know which one yet! lol.

On a 20g, you really don't need a skimmer. Just do a weekly water change of 4g and your corals would love you!

But if you must have one, BM150 is good to go, up to 100g.

46bfinGA · 10/28/2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roland Jacques
It would be funny if in 6 months you see a lot of people selling their BM 250 skimmers because they will be finding that their over skimming their tanks.

It is looking more and more that they are actually rated pretty appropriately. at least that what a number of people have been telling me.

Harry, I think the 250 may be a waste of some extra money on a 100. but you can always sell it and buy a smaller one.

im hoping you are correct that way i can save some $$$$$$$

my 500gal. will be happy and so will my checking acct.

Quatro · 10/28/2006, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jman77
"Anybody care to comment on which skimmer I should get, BM200 or BM250?

20 gallons net? LOL."

you know your nuts right ? I wouldn't even get a skimmer now. Just keep up with water changes and run GAC or purigen....

Bm250... lol ...pass over that J ...that some good stuff your smoking

LOL. Funny guy!

Seriously though, I have too much money invested in this tank not to buy a good quality skimmer. I'll be upgrading this beauty to about 100 gallons sometime next year, so I'd like to plan ahead and not have to get a bigger skimmer when the time comes:

Quatro · 10/28/2006, 12:21 PM

Sorry to side track the thread everyone

But I just had another thought about what Mchava said to get us back on track:

Quote:

Originally posted by Mchava
well I am getting the bm250 for my 90g tank. They way I look at it is if two pumps are too much then I can always turn one off and when I do up grade my tank. I dont have to buy a new skimmer. All I would have to do it plug in the second pump.

What would happen if you ran the BM250 with just one pump? Would it still perform? The body is bigger than the BM200, so in actuality, the BM200 might outperform the BM250 when it's just operating on one pump, because it was DESIGNED to operate with only one pump. It's probably just an easy fix to raise the riser tube to adjust the water level in the skimmer so the bubbles can crawl up the neck, but these skimmers' bodies are designed for each individual pump to maximize performance. I'm just curious whether or not running the BM250 with only one pump will seriously affect it's ability to skim since it was designed (body, neck, riser, water/air ratio, etc.) to skim with two pumps running, not one?

Again, sorry to sidetrack the thread with my personal stuff, but hopefully we can get this tread back on track.

Hey Creetin,

Did you get your skimmer yet?

Roland Jacques · 10/28/2006, 01:21 PM

hceiv
nothing you've said is off topic or side tracked. as a mater of fact its a great question.

One pump running may be a good option if it was a recirc with a small neck ID, but a insump with a wide neck 1 pump off causes some potential problems.
Water level being one, (easy fix) you can mod a adjustment for the water level do to the lower water flow( still not clear on the water level adjustability) .

The second problem may be harder to solve. I don't think it all that good of an idea only because if you cut the air in half. That 6-7" plus neck ID will make your skimmate extremely wet maybe too wet with only 40 scfh. so do agree with you that the 200 would perform better than the 250 with only 1 pump running. (really need to no the neck ID . I still don't know the exact neck ID.)

I agree the small price difference does make the 250 look like a good choice.

Charlie, im going to pass on the over skimming question only because its more about what corals your keeping... but I think it possible.

jman77 · 10/28/2006, 01:38 PM

hceiv

all joking aside... i would not setup that skimmer on that tank....

It might strip too much stuff out of the water. You've got alot of softies bro...

Creetin · 10/28/2006, 02:08 PM

No i havnt gotten it yet, Greg said it could be shipped out by friday. Not sure if customs let it go for him to have it out.
I am hoping i can have it soon, I will announce when i get it.
Maybe a couple close up shots with a tape measure of the neck and such for roland here.

UCanDoIt · 10/28/2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UCanDoIt
On a 20g, you really don't need a skimmer. Just do a weekly water change of 4g and your corals would love you!

But if you must have one, BM150 is good to go, up to 100g.

With what you have in your photo, you DON'T need a skimmer.

Small weekly water changes are a piece of cake on your setup. Even if you did a 3g water change weekly, your corals will be happy campers!

Quatro · 10/28/2006, 02:22 PM

Thanks for the advice guys and gals

I appreciate it !!!

Creetin · 10/29/2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hceiv
Sorry to side track the thread everyone

But I just had another thought about what Mchava said to get us back on track:

What would happen if you ran the BM250 with just one pump? Would it still perform? The body is bigger than the BM200, so in actuality, the BM200 might outperform the BM250 when it's just operating on one pump, because it was DESIGNED to operate with only one pump. It's probably just an easy fix to raise the riser tube to adjust the water level in the skimmer so the bubbles can crawl up the neck, but these skimmers' bodies are designed for each individual pump to maximize performance. I'm just curious whether or not running the BM250 with only one pump will seriously affect it's ability to skim since it was designed (body, neck, riser, water/air ratio, etc.) to skim with two pumps running, not one?

Again, sorry to sidetrack the thread with my personal stuff, but hopefully we can get this tread back on track.

Hey Creetin,

Did you get your skimmer yet?

You could run it on a timer. 12 hrs on 12 hrs off or on 8 off 8 ect ect.

Newreeflady · 10/29/2006, 09:37 AM

"You could run it on a timer. 12 hrs on 12 hrs off or on 8 off 8 ect ect."

Can you do this? Won't the water in the skimmer get funky? And, will it keep a nice slime coat this way and perform optimally?

UCanDoIt · 10/29/2006, 09:42 AM

No, it works fine. Just need to be careful if running an external skimmer as sometimes the startup will overflow the collection cup.

Some hobbyist who really want it quiet, will have their skimmers turned off at night if the tank is in their bedroom, and then the skimmer comes back on automatically in the morning.

Newreeflady · 10/29/2006, 03:02 PM

Wow, I may consider this if the skimmer is loud. Thanks!

-A

10/27/2006, 07:41 AM	#276
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	On second thought maybe that was modded. Looks like the flange is still there. Evedence that it was modded. Hmmmm __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/27/2006, 12:58 PM	#277
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Looking at the other pics it looks like it was made that way. The flange is on it though. The pic of it wrapped you can see the elbow. I know its not cheaper to do it out of acrylic in material and labor so there must be lodgic behind it. I am sure hoping my skimmer is in a box headed to me. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/27/2006, 04:52 PM	#281
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	It would be funny if in 6 months you see a lot of people selling their BM 250 skimmers because they will be finding that their over skimming their tanks. It is looking more and more that they are actually rated pretty appropriately. at least that what a number of people have been telling me. Harry, I think the 250 may be a waste of some extra money on a 100. but you can always sell it and buy a smaller one. __________________ Roland

10/27/2006, 05:35 PM	#282
Charlie Davidson Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Deltaville , Va Posts: 10,977	Roland, Please explain your thoughts on over skimming.. My thoughts (so far) have been that it can't be done with just air bubbles... (No challenge- just want to learn more) __________________ Richmond Reef Club Current Tank Info: Doing without for a while :)

10/27/2006, 05:41 PM	#283
Mchava Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Santa Ana CA Posts: 4,352	well I am getting the bm250 for my 90g tank. They way I look at it is if two pumps are too much then I can always turn one off and when I do up grade my tank. I dont have to buy a new skimmer. All I would have to do it plug in the second pump. __________________ Mario

10/27/2006, 02:43 PM	#278
Quatro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 541	Anybody care to comment on which skimmer I should get, BM200 or BM250? 20 gallons net? LOL. Actually, I'll be upgrading to about 100 gallons in the next few months for mainly sps and some nice stuff, so would you go for a BM200 or BM250? BM200 should do the trick, but a BM250 would be fun and over the top! ? Suggestions ? Thanks!

10/27/2006, 03:03 PM	#279
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	BM200, come on?

10/27/2006, 03:28 PM	#280
Quatro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 541	Yeah I know. First it was just the BM150, then it was BM150 or BM200, now I can't decide between BM200 or BM250 !!! Ah well, at least you all know you'll get a review of one of ATI's skimmers, just don't know which one yet! lol.

10/27/2006, 11:15 PM	#284
Newreeflady Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 4,840	I ordered the 150 for my 36g display +15g sump system. I'll post a review when it comes in and I get to try it for a week. -A __________________ A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor’s cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. “It’s overfull! No more will go in!” the professor blurted. “You are like this cup,” the master replied, “How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup.” Current Tank Info: 56g, 20g.

10/28/2006, 04:09 AM	#286
jman77 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,391	"Anybody care to comment on which skimmer I should get, BM200 or BM250? 20 gallons net? LOL." you know your nuts right ? I wouldn't even get a skimmer now. Just keep up with water changes and run GAC or purigen.... Bm250... lol ...pass over that J ...that some good stuff your smoking

10/28/2006, 01:21 PM	#292
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	hceiv nothing you've said is off topic or side tracked. as a mater of fact its a great question. One pump running may be a good option if it was a recirc with a small neck ID, but a insump with a wide neck 1 pump off causes some potential problems. Water level being one, (easy fix) you can mod a adjustment for the water level do to the lower water flow( still not clear on the water level adjustability) . The second problem may be harder to solve. I don't think it all that good of an idea only because if you cut the air in half. That 6-7" plus neck ID will make your skimmate extremely wet maybe too wet with only 40 scfh. so do agree with you that the 200 would perform better than the 250 with only 1 pump running. (really need to no the neck ID . I still don't know the exact neck ID.) I agree the small price difference does make the 250 look like a good choice. Charlie, im going to pass on the over skimming question only because its more about what corals your keeping... but I think it possible. __________________ Roland

10/28/2006, 01:38 PM	#293
jman77 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,391	hceiv all joking aside... i would not setup that skimmer on that tank.... It might strip too much stuff out of the water. You've got alot of softies bro...

10/28/2006, 02:08 PM	#294
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	No i havnt gotten it yet, Greg said it could be shipped out by friday. Not sure if customs let it go for him to have it out. I am hoping i can have it soon, I will announce when i get it. Maybe a couple close up shots with a tape measure of the neck and such for roland here. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/28/2006, 02:22 PM	#296
Quatro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 541	Thanks for the advice guys and gals I appreciate it !!!

10/29/2006, 09:37 AM	#298
Newreeflady Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 4,840	"You could run it on a timer. 12 hrs on 12 hrs off or on 8 off 8 ect ect." Can you do this? Won't the water in the skimmer get funky? And, will it keep a nice slime coat this way and perform optimally? __________________ A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor’s cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. “It’s overfull! No more will go in!” the professor blurted. “You are like this cup,” the master replied, “How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup.” Current Tank Info: 56g, 20g.

10/29/2006, 09:42 AM	#299
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	No, it works fine. Just need to be careful if running an external skimmer as sometimes the startup will overflow the collection cup. Some hobbyist who really want it quiet, will have their skimmers turned off at night if the tank is in their bedroom, and then the skimmer comes back on automatically in the morning.

10/29/2006, 03:02 PM	#300
Newreeflady Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 4,840	Wow, I may consider this if the skimmer is loud. Thanks! -A __________________ A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor’s cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. “It’s overfull! No more will go in!” the professor blurted. “You are like this cup,” the master replied, “How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup.” Current Tank Info: 56g, 20g.