H&S Skimmer Club - Page 14

clownnrnd · 03/01/2009, 03:22 PM

Do you need the drain on the far right side? If there is no need I would get rid of it. I think it is going to be kind of noisey becouse you have water falling to that "T".

The reason for the lower durso was in case there was a wavebox being used. With the 2 seperate overflow boxes a wavebox would more than likely cause a surge effect. If there is not enough water in the overflow box between surges you could end up w/ breaks in your water supply to the skimmer which would not allow you to skim properly.

With that said though the last drawing will work

Let me look and see if I have a pic of the drain set up on my tank. I have one overflow but it may give ideas.

Chad

ronhjr · 03/01/2009, 03:34 PM

`1ewa

clownnrnd · 03/01/2009, 03:36 PM

here is a pic of my old system. You can see the drain on the left is slightly lower and comes out and goes to a ball valve going to a barbed fitting into flex hose. This system had a A200 2x1260 on it.

here is my new tank. I'm not feeding a ext. skimmer here but it could be transformed easy enough

Joe · 03/01/2009, 04:34 PM

This is how I've done my A-150. Why can't you do it this way and get a bigger return pump to increase gph?

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Joe

thrlride · 03/01/2009, 06:22 PM

hey Joe, can you explain how yours is connected?

Joe · 03/01/2009, 06:45 PM

I simply connected one of the overflows to a "T" connection and ran the water directly to the skimmer(the skimmer sits inside my sump). I added two true unions so I could move the skimmer feed right or left, and up and down. This allows some flexability in skimmer placement down the road, should the need arise. The "T" simply diverts any excess water flow directly to my filter sock. Of course, the ball valve allows me to control water flow to the skimmer. Make sure you get a good ball valve. Not those cheap ones at Home Depot or Lowes. The really good ones allow for exceptional fine tuning of your H & S. I have a center double overflow in the Tech tank, but you could rig something for corner overflow as well.

Joe

carb850 · 03/01/2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clownnrnd
here is a pic of my old system. You can see the drain on the left is slightly lower and comes out and goes to a ball valve going to a barbed fitting into flex hose. This system had a A200 2x1260 on it.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d8...5/AO225023.jpg

here is my new tank. I'm not feeding a ext. skimmer here but it could be transformed easy enough

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/Chad215/stand.jpg

Having two durso's in the same overflow box would be a different matter altogether. In that case the lower would get a more constant flow and the higher could take care of the rest if needed.

If they are in separate overflows, I don't think the height difference matters.

thrlride · 03/03/2009, 07:16 AM

This isn't to scale but here is the plumbing I bought.

Hopefully all works well.

thrlride · 03/04/2009, 08:49 PM

I got it all replumbed and for whatever reason air is purging into the skimmer.

Anyway I can purge that air out? The skimmer level seems to be staying the same but I can't imagine the large bubbles can be good.

carb850 · 03/04/2009, 08:58 PM

I don't follow. What do you mean by air purging?

thrlride · 03/04/2009, 09:02 PM

The water entering the skimmer also has air going in. The bubbles are rather large and when they hit the skimmer the disturb the other bubbles.

The refugium feed is actually helping get rid of those bubbles so it might be okay.

Basically the durso's also let air in as it drains and that air is going to the refugium and skimmer.

carb850 · 03/04/2009, 09:11 PM

I see. Do you have any photos of of the installation?

Here is how I dry fitted mine. On the right you can see the elbow for the water to spill over into the refugium. I just didn't install the refugium section yet as I'm not sure exactly were i want it to drain just yet.

thrlride · 03/04/2009, 09:20 PM

That looks great. I'll see if I can't get you a picture.

Of course my changes didn't really come without penalty. One of my bulkheads broke and I found out each overflow holds about 5 gallons.

clownnrnd · 03/04/2009, 10:02 PM

Do you have the ball valve on the skimmer side? If this were the case I think you could have a lower drain pipe...no durso. You should be able to close the ball valve on the skimmer feed to the proper feed rate then the water level in the skimmers' overflow box should level out to the overflow teeth. This will put the back pressure on the valve and not allow air to enter the drain pipe.

I wonder if it may be good to have your ball valve as close to your skimmer as well.

Chad

thrlride · 03/04/2009, 10:06 PM

I have both overflow drains tied together. The ball valve controller the skimmer feed is about 6" from the skimmer entry. I actually have it running wide open too.

It seems since the refugium is getting the bulk of the air now the skimmer is actually doing better. Hopefully it stays that way!

64Ivy · 03/17/2009, 07:46 PM

I've been running the H&S A250-2x1260 on my 650g system for several months now with no problems. Today however, I noticed that the water level in the riser has begun to fluctuate as much as 2" when the unit is running. Is this a sign that one (or both) of the pumps need a cleaning or is it symptomatic of something else?

FinsReef · 03/17/2009, 08:29 PM

Yes dirty pumps could be a cause of the problem. If allowed to go too long it can and will damage the pump.

Eric

carb850 · 03/17/2009, 08:43 PM

This question goes out to anyone running a skimmer externally.

Any have problems with the skimmer overflowing the collection cup all of a sudden? If so, how do you deal with it? I considered drilling the cup for a remote collection but I know it is not frowned upon.

clownnrnd · 03/24/2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by carb850
This question goes out to anyone running a skimmer externally.

Any have problems with the skimmer overflowing the collection cup all of a sudden? If so, how do you deal with it? I considered drilling the cup for a remote collection but I know it is not frowned upon.

Some skimmers do not like new salt water and can cause them to overflow. I found mine have been OK if I added new salt mix after the skimmer during a water change. Thats' worked good for me, now I just have the skimmer included in the maint. mode of my controller and it shuts the skimmer down when I do maint.

Chad

skippyreef · 03/25/2009, 09:04 AM

Getting ready to replumb my H&S A250. I am going to use a single 1.5 inch Durso for this. All the water from my tank will be fed into the skimmer and then to the sump. SHould I put a bypass on the plumbing or just go straight to the skimmer?

spooda420 · 04/04/2009, 08:51 PM

i was cleaning my skimmer today and dropped the part that the air hose attaches to and the small plastic nipple for lack of a bettter word broke off and i cant find it... anyone know what this pieces is called? and where i can order on from... its th black plastic pieces that attaches to the pump where the air hose connects to...

thanks

FinsReef · 04/05/2009, 08:25 AM

Sent you an email.

Eric

spooda420 · 04/05/2009, 08:33 AM

you sir are on it.... thats customer service.

=+1

mario4254 · 04/28/2009, 08:54 PM

i got A150-f2001 is there a disired water level the skimmer should sit in ? at the moment its sitting at 10'' of water

FinsReef · 04/28/2009, 09:05 PM

A150 is an external skimmer and is not effected by water level. If it is 150-f2001 ten inches is just fine.

Eric

03/01/2009, 04:34 PM	#329
Joe Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Amish Country, PA. USA Posts: 978	This is how I've done my A-150. Why can't you do it this way and get a bigger return pump to increase gph? [IMG][/IMG] Joe __________________ I put the laughter in slaughter. Current Tank Info: 120 Gallon Oceanic Tech Tank, Two MP40W Gen 2 Vortechs, H & S A-150-F2001 External Skimmer, Oceanic Model 3 Sump, Current Outer Orbit Pro 250 Watt MH/T5 Combo

03/01/2009, 06:22 PM	#330
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	hey Joe, can you explain how yours is connected? __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/01/2009, 06:45 PM	#331
Joe Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Amish Country, PA. USA Posts: 978	I simply connected one of the overflows to a "T" connection and ran the water directly to the skimmer(the skimmer sits inside my sump). I added two true unions so I could move the skimmer feed right or left, and up and down. This allows some flexability in skimmer placement down the road, should the need arise. The "T" simply diverts any excess water flow directly to my filter sock. Of course, the ball valve allows me to control water flow to the skimmer. Make sure you get a good ball valve. Not those cheap ones at Home Depot or Lowes. The really good ones allow for exceptional fine tuning of your H & S. I have a center double overflow in the Tech tank, but you could rig something for corner overflow as well. Joe __________________ I put the laughter in slaughter. Current Tank Info: 120 Gallon Oceanic Tech Tank, Two MP40W Gen 2 Vortechs, H & S A-150-F2001 External Skimmer, Oceanic Model 3 Sump, Current Outer Orbit Pro 250 Watt MH/T5 Combo

03/03/2009, 07:16 AM	#333
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	This isn't to scale but here is the plumbing I bought. Hopefully all works well. __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/04/2009, 08:49 PM	#334
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	I got it all replumbed and for whatever reason air is purging into the skimmer. Anyway I can purge that air out? The skimmer level seems to be staying the same but I can't imagine the large bubbles can be good. __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/01/2009, 03:22 PM	#326
clownnrnd Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: western washington Posts: 741	Do you need the drain on the far right side? If there is no need I would get rid of it. I think it is going to be kind of noisey becouse you have water falling to that "T". The reason for the lower durso was in case there was a wavebox being used. With the 2 seperate overflow boxes a wavebox would more than likely cause a surge effect. If there is not enough water in the overflow box between surges you could end up w/ breaks in your water supply to the skimmer which would not allow you to skim properly. With that said though the last drawing will work Let me look and see if I have a pic of the drain set up on my tank. I have one overflow but it may give ideas. Chad

03/01/2009, 03:34 PM	#327
ronhjr Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phila PA (Delaware county) Posts: 345	`1ewa

03/01/2009, 03:36 PM	#328
clownnrnd Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: western washington Posts: 741	here is a pic of my old system. You can see the drain on the left is slightly lower and comes out and goes to a ball valve going to a barbed fitting into flex hose. This system had a A200 2x1260 on it. here is my new tank. I'm not feeding a ext. skimmer here but it could be transformed easy enough

03/04/2009, 08:58 PM	#335
carb850 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 2,042	I don't follow. What do you mean by air purging?

03/04/2009, 09:02 PM	#336
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	The water entering the skimmer also has air going in. The bubbles are rather large and when they hit the skimmer the disturb the other bubbles. The refugium feed is actually helping get rid of those bubbles so it might be okay. Basically the durso's also let air in as it drains and that air is going to the refugium and skimmer. __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/04/2009, 09:11 PM	#337
carb850 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 2,042	I see. Do you have any photos of of the installation? Here is how I dry fitted mine. On the right you can see the elbow for the water to spill over into the refugium. I just didn't install the refugium section yet as I'm not sure exactly were i want it to drain just yet.

03/04/2009, 09:20 PM	#338
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	That looks great. I'll see if I can't get you a picture. Of course my changes didn't really come without penalty. One of my bulkheads broke and I found out each overflow holds about 5 gallons. __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/04/2009, 10:02 PM	#339
clownnrnd Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: western washington Posts: 741	Do you have the ball valve on the skimmer side? If this were the case I think you could have a lower drain pipe...no durso. You should be able to close the ball valve on the skimmer feed to the proper feed rate then the water level in the skimmers' overflow box should level out to the overflow teeth. This will put the back pressure on the valve and not allow air to enter the drain pipe. I wonder if it may be good to have your ball valve as close to your skimmer as well. Chad

03/04/2009, 10:06 PM	#340
thrlride Aka lemmywinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 8,017	I have both overflow drains tied together. The ball valve controller the skimmer feed is about 6" from the skimmer entry. I actually have it running wide open too. It seems since the refugium is getting the bulk of the air now the skimmer is actually doing better. Hopefully it stays that way! __________________ Beer Snob Current Tank Info: 210 gallon FOWLR (H&S 200a-1260 , panworld 50px-x, 2x Vortech w/ WWD)

03/17/2009, 07:46 PM	#341
64Ivy B'rer Reefer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 3,194	I've been running the H&S A250-2x1260 on my 650g system for several months now with no problems. Today however, I noticed that the water level in the riser has begun to fluctuate as much as 2" when the unit is running. Is this a sign that one (or both) of the pumps need a cleaning or is it symptomatic of something else? __________________ Be Kind To The Elderly. Life Without Parole Means Nothing To Us. ToTM 3-03 Current Tank Info: Between tanks. Searching for a home

03/17/2009, 08:29 PM	#342
FinsReef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Shelby,NC Posts: 323	Yes dirty pumps could be a cause of the problem. If allowed to go too long it can and will damage the pump. Eric

03/17/2009, 08:43 PM	#343
carb850 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 2,042	This question goes out to anyone running a skimmer externally. Any have problems with the skimmer overflowing the collection cup all of a sudden? If so, how do you deal with it? I considered drilling the cup for a remote collection but I know it is not frowned upon.

03/25/2009, 09:04 AM	#345
skippyreef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: under the sea Posts: 1,079	Getting ready to replumb my H&S A250. I am going to use a single 1.5 inch Durso for this. All the water from my tank will be fed into the skimmer and then to the sump. SHould I put a bypass on the plumbing or just go straight to the skimmer? __________________ Anacroporamademepoora Current Tank Info: 270 gallon Reef

04/04/2009, 08:51 PM	#346
spooda420 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: O'Fallon MO Posts: 1,688	i was cleaning my skimmer today and dropped the part that the air hose attaches to and the small plastic nipple for lack of a bettter word broke off and i cant find it... anyone know what this pieces is called? and where i can order on from... its th black plastic pieces that attaches to the pump where the air hose connects to... thanks __________________ Chris Current Tank Info: 250g, 150g sump, H&S 250x2 1260s, T5s, GEO CA reactor, MA Sulfur DeNITRIFIER XL, 300lbs LR, 6" DSB, running ozone, all controlled by the Apex controller.

04/05/2009, 08:25 AM	#347
FinsReef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Shelby,NC Posts: 323	Sent you an email. Eric

04/05/2009, 08:33 AM	#348
spooda420 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: O'Fallon MO Posts: 1,688	you sir are on it.... thats customer service. =+1 __________________ Chris Current Tank Info: 250g, 150g sump, H&S 250x2 1260s, T5s, GEO CA reactor, MA Sulfur DeNITRIFIER XL, 300lbs LR, 6" DSB, running ozone, all controlled by the Apex controller.

04/28/2009, 08:54 PM	#349
mario4254 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Barrington il Posts: 1,002	i got A150-f2001 is there a disired water level the skimmer should sit in ? at the moment its sitting at 10'' of water __________________ ~Mario Current Tank Info: 4x2x2 120 gallon SPS/LPS reef ,40 gallon sump/fuge, H&S skimmer A150-F2001, 2x250 MH, 4x65 CF, Knopp HD calcium reactor,2x Vortech MP40W, 2x Koralia #3, AC JR / 30x20x12 frag tank

04/28/2009, 09:05 PM	#350
FinsReef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Shelby,NC Posts: 323	A150 is an external skimmer and is not effected by water level. If it is 150-f2001 ten inches is just fine. Eric