anyone tried to using Jebo WP40? - Page 16

Diesel3443 · 02/28/2013, 08:13 AM

Has there been any details on the wp 25? Flow rate ect?

KnightMetro · 02/28/2013, 08:23 AM

^^ Same question.

I'm finally getting dry rock, live sand, and beginning my cycling by mid march. I think I'll hold off for the WP25. But the time my tank would need the extra flow internally, the WP25 should be out.

rizon25 · 02/28/2013, 09:27 AM

Since this runs on dc power, I'm certain that it would be possible to hook it up to a battery backup. Hopefully jebo comes out with something like the tunze safety connector.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rizon25

Since this runs on dc power, I'm certain that it would be possible to hook it up to a battery backup. Hopefully jebo comes out with something like the tunze safety connector.

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. This could actually work with the Vortech Battery backup, or your own DIY battery backup too.

You wouldn't need a safety connector. You would just need a "Fused VorTech Battery Backup Cable" from Ecotech's site.

rizon25 · 02/28/2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. This would actually work with the Vortech Battery backup, or your own DIY battery backup too.

You wouldn't need a safety connector. You would just need a "Fused VorTech Battery Backup Cable" from Ecotech's site.

If you figure out how to do this, let me know. I'm going to get one if it's possible! I don't see the need to spend so much on expensive powerheads if this can do battery backup too. The only reason I've wanted an mp40 or tunze was because they can switch to a battery backup. I've had three power outages last summer.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rizon25

If you figure out how to do this, let me know. I'm going to get one if it's possible! I don't see the need to spend so much on expensive powerheads if this can do battery backup too. The only reason I've wanted an mp40 or tunze was because they can switch to a battery backup. I've had three power outages last summer.

Actually, that Tunze connector to a 12v 18a sealed lead acid battery would probably be best. It should function exactly like connecting to a Tunze pump would, and be cheaper than a Vortech BBU. Awesome!!!!!! I need to grab one of these and take a look.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 10:38 AM

Not sure if linking to another forum is ok, but this is how it will work:

http://www.thereefuge.com.au/threads...ze-pumps.5133/

So altogether, you can get 36 hours (or more) of battery backup, a wave pump capable of pushing the same water as an MP40, with Apex/Reef Angel control, for $105+~$100+$30 = $235!!!

Vortech MP-40 with battery backup and WXM unit $465+$165+$120 = $750

Tunze 6105 with battery backup and apex control = $347+~$100 = $447

WP-40 with battery backup and apex control = $235.

What a difference. This is amazing.

saf · 02/28/2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

Actually, that Tunze connector to a 12v 18a sealed lead acid battery would probably be best. It should function exactly like connecting to a Tunze pump would, and be cheaper than a Vortech BBU. Awesome!!!!!! I need to grab one of these and take a look.

it is very easy to do for a Vortech. I got a belkin battery backup (UPS) from ebay for cheap. I then replaced part of the original connector with the EcoTech fused battery-backup connector. 5 minute job and it is plug and play. It should work the same for this pump too.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by saf

it is very easy to do for a Vortech. I got a belkin battery backup (UPS) from ebay for cheap. I then replaced part of the original connector with the EcoTech fused battery-backup connector. 5 minute job and it is plug and play. It should work the same for this pump too.

That could work, but you may still need a relay for it to run at 24v instead of 12v when attached. That is why the Tunze connector might work better, unless I'm overthinking it. For $20 more you can attach a 12v 18ah sealed lead acid battery instead for up to 36 hours instead of 7.

saf · 02/28/2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

That could work, but you may still need a relay for it to run at 24v instead of 12v when attached. That is why the Tunze connector might work better, unless I'm overthinking it. For $20 more you can attach a 12v 18ah sealed lead acid battery instead for up to 36 hours instead of 7.

True. This is just 7.2 Amp-hour battery and 12VDC, not the 18 Amp-hour battery that Vortech uses. I just need some extra time before I can hook everything up to a generator.

Mike Ordner · 02/28/2013, 11:11 AM

My tank has 3/4 inch thick glass. Will the magnets on these pumps hold on glass that thick?

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ordner

My tank has 3/4 inch thick glass. Will the magnets on these pumps hold on glass that thick?

I don't see why it shouldn't. If a Koralia will hold on it, this should.

Just ordered a battery, battery tender trickle charger, and the Tunze connector.

serpent · 02/28/2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

I don't see why it shouldn't. If a Koralia will hold on it, this should.

Just ordered a battery, battery tender trickle charger, and the Tunze connector.

Wow, you are going to be all set when you get your pump.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by serpent

Wow, you are going to be all set when you get your pump.

... and I'll still be way ahead after I sell off my Vortechs.

serpent · 02/28/2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

... and I'll still be way ahead after I sell off my Vortechs.

LOL! Got to love that.

I just thought about this and am wondering if I am wrong. If we hook these up to the 0-10V connector on the Apex, will that decrease the speed of which the pumps are running or is this just for control? Sorry if this is common knowledge, but have never hooked anything up to the variable ports before.

SimonSKL · 02/28/2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ordner

My tank has 3/4 inch thick glass. Will the magnets on these pumps hold on glass that thick?

The specifications said the glass should be less than 15mm or about 0.6". In addition to the magnets there is also a suction cup on each magnet, very similar to Koralia pump base. So your 3/4" glass may be a little iffy.

topjimmy · 02/28/2013, 01:34 PM

I just picked one up for my 65, I have two korillia 425's that just don't do it. I also have a reef angel controller and might just have to test out that side. Though with only one pump I really don't know if there would be much of a need other than power output.

Ron Reefman · 02/28/2013, 01:55 PM

OK, I readily admit to being a bit slow on the DC side of electronics. That said, if I'm looking for short term fix, say a few hours, wouldn't a computer battery back up work? I ask because I'd like my dosing pumps on it as well (they lose their memory if the lose power). Just plug the battery backup in and plug the WP40 and my dosing pump in and I'm done. Say something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP6...p+power+supply

SimonSKL · 02/28/2013, 02:07 PM

Ron, I was thinking the same thing about UPS too. I think the problem is the batteries inside the UPS are typically very small and don't last very long. The battery in the Vortech backup battery is 12V 18AH while the one your link refer to is 12V 7AH. So it will only last 1 to 2 hours the most depending on how many devices are plugged in.

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

Ron, I was thinking the same thing about UPS too. I think the problem is the batteries inside the UPS are typically very small and don't last very long. The battery in the Vortech backup battery is 12V 18AH while the one your link refer to is 12V 7AH. So it will only last 1 to 2 hours the most depending on how many devices are plugged in.

Even worse, a UPS is not a 12v DC device like the battery is, so the 120v conversion wastes more energy, and will provide about half of that 7AH figure. It will work for a few hours, but it is inefficient.

aquaticlf · 02/28/2013, 02:48 PM

After seeing video , configuration and price of jeabo wp 40 . It’s excellent . If Jebao make spare parts none cant copit with wp 40. As a user I must buy for my small fish only because Sicce vager 10 also costly than wp 40 and they cannot crate ground swell , swell.
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Haxer · 02/28/2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bhazard451

Even worse, a UPS is not a 12v DC device like the battery is, so the 120v conversion wastes more energy, and will provide about half of that 7AH figure. It will work for a few hours, but it is inefficient.

Here is what I am going to use for a battery backup solution...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1673939

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Haxer

Here is what I am going to use for a battery backup solution...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1673939

Not sure it will work right. If you don't add a relay, it will only run the pump at 12v at all times.

The Tunze connector has the relay to allow 24v operation, and then kick over to the 12v battery once power goes out. It also has the fuse you need for safety.

SimonSKL · 02/28/2013, 03:58 PM

I found this picture of a Tunze Safety Connector. It is not cheap for $52!
I am trying to understand how this may work with the WP40. So you plug the 24V plug from the factory 24V Power Supply to the top where it says Power supply. Then you plug the connector that connects to where it says Turbelle Pump to the power input on the WP40 controller. Then you connect the red and black wires from the 12-24V battery to the positive and negative terminals of the battery. The battery is also connected to a slow charger. Correct?

This setup will run the WP40 on 24V when regular household power is on but when power to the house is out, the Safety Connector will automatically switch to the battery and provide the WP40 controller with 12V DC power. Correct?

bhazard451 · 02/28/2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

I found this picture of a Tunze Safety Connector. It is not cheap for $52!
I am trying to understand how this may work with the WP40. So you plug the 24V plug from the factory 24V Power Supply to the top where it says Power supply. Then you plug the connector that connects to where it says Turbelle Pump to the power input on the WP40 controller. Then you connect the red and black wires from the 12-24V battery to the positive and negative terminals of the battery. The battery is also connected to a slow charger. Correct?

This setup will run the WP40 on 24V when regular household power is on but when power to the house is out, the Safety Connector will automatically switch to the battery and provide the WP40 controller with 12V DC power. Correct?

Yep. 12v 18ah battery, trickle charger, and that tunze connector. Total ~$100. Still cheaper than a vortech bbu, and is the same thing.

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02/28/2013, 08:13 AM	#376
Diesel3443 AEFW Distructor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 799	Has there been any details on the wp 25? Flow rate ect? __________________ SPS IM Lagoon 25 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2617372 125g In-wall SPS tank - Retired http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2558111

02/28/2013, 09:27 AM	#378
rizon25 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chino hills 91709 Posts: 174	Since this runs on dc power, I'm certain that it would be possible to hook it up to a battery backup. Hopefully jebo comes out with something like the tunze safety connector. __________________ 45 gallon JBJ rimless tank. 1x radion gen 4 xr15 at 90%.

02/28/2013, 10:38 AM	#382
bhazard451 Registered Member. Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,900	Not sure if linking to another forum is ok, but this is how it will work: http://www.thereefuge.com.au/threads...ze-pumps.5133/ So altogether, you can get 36 hours (or more) of battery backup, a wave pump capable of pushing the same water as an MP40, with Apex/Reef Angel control, for $105+~$100+$30 = $235!!! Vortech MP-40 with battery backup and WXM unit $465+$165+$120 = $750 Tunze 6105 with battery backup and apex control = $347+~$100 = $447 WP-40 with battery backup and apex control = $235. What a difference. This is amazing. Last edited by bhazard451; 02/28/2013 at 10:44 AM.

02/28/2013, 01:34 PM	#392
topjimmy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Youngstown, Ohio Posts: 484	I just picked one up for my 65, I have two korillia 425's that just don't do it. I also have a reef angel controller and might just have to test out that side. Though with only one pump I really don't know if there would be much of a need other than power output. __________________ It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen. Aristotle

02/28/2013, 01:55 PM	#393
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	OK, I readily admit to being a bit slow on the DC side of electronics. That said, if I'm looking for short term fix, say a few hours, wouldn't a computer battery back up work? I ask because I'd like my dosing pumps on it as well (they lose their memory if the lose power). Just plug the battery backup in and plug the WP40 and my dosing pump in and I'm done. Say something like this: http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP6...p+power+supply __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

02/28/2013, 08:23 AM	#377
KnightMetro Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 132	^^ Same question. I'm finally getting dry rock, live sand, and beginning my cycling by mid march. I think I'll hold off for the WP25. But the time my tank would need the extra flow internally, the WP25 should be out.

02/28/2013, 11:11 AM	#386
Mike Ordner Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 415	My tank has 3/4 inch thick glass. Will the magnets on these pumps hold on glass that thick?

02/28/2013, 02:07 PM	#394
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	Ron, I was thinking the same thing about UPS too. I think the problem is the batteries inside the UPS are typically very small and don't last very long. The battery in the Vortech backup battery is 12V 18AH while the one your link refer to is 12V 7AH. So it will only last 1 to 2 hours the most depending on how many devices are plugged in. __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

02/28/2013, 02:48 PM	#396
aquaticlf Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1	After seeing video , configuration and price of jeabo wp 40 . It’s excellent . If Jebao make spare parts none cant copit with wp 40. As a user I must buy for my small fish only because Sicce vager 10 also costly than wp 40 and they cannot crate ground swell , swell. __________________ Satrajit

02/28/2013, 03:58 PM	#399
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	I found this picture of a Tunze Safety Connector. It is not cheap for $52! I am trying to understand how this may work with the WP40. So you plug the 24V plug from the factory 24V Power Supply to the top where it says Power supply. Then you plug the connector that connects to where it says Turbelle Pump to the power input on the WP40 controller. Then you connect the red and black wires from the 12-24V battery to the positive and negative terminals of the battery. The battery is also connected to a slow charger. Correct? This setup will run the WP40 on 24V when regular household power is on but when power to the house is out, the Safety Connector will automatically switch to the battery and provide the WP40 controller with 12V DC power. Correct? __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25