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Unread 06/10/2011, 03:39 PM   #4276
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@Mindytoy - What type of fish is your profile picture? It is really pretty? same with @geezers11 - so pretty!

75g
25g eshoppes sump
CPR Skimmer
CPR overflow
1 Tunze Powerhead (1 more on order) – 1 Koralia powerhead
Coralife 2x250w MH (though on the search for the right LED System – Any thoughts would be great: Leaning towards AI SOL or Vertex……

80lbs live sand
30lbs crushed coral
150lbs live rock
Heater
Pump

Sm. Clean-up Crew (3 Mexican Turbos, 10 sm. Hermit crabs and 5 sm. Snails)

Wish List:

1.) Cleaner Shrimp or should we get two?
2.) Peppermint Shrimp?
3.) Emerald Crabs – 2?
4.) A star fish (blue) of some sort?
5.) A mini lobster.. maybe...

**I am new to the hobby and my BF has been away from it for about 10+years)

then later adding softies...

Rose Bulb Anemone (being held at the LFS until the tank is ready and we are sure we won’t hurt or kill it)
Kenya Tree
Bubble Coral?
Other softies that will work and look cool.
Anyone know what the name of the one that looks like an Anemone - its typically white with ling tentacle like branches?

We eventually may want to do some hard corals

We want a lot of color

Fish

-2 clowns
- Yellow Tang (would like a blue tang but heard they can be really hard and die - and we don't want to get anything that doesnt have good chances.. or not yet)

**Any ideas would be great…. We want a lot of color and fun for the kids… but want them to work together


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Unread 06/10/2011, 04:12 PM   #4277
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I have never added fresh water fish to a salt water tank. I believe you have to go through an acclimation process but have never done so. You can post your question in the general New to The Hobby forum.
Thanks for the reply. I already know you CAN add these fish (good algea eaters) but my question was more about would they get along with chromis and clowns. Being in the smaller tank the bigger one is getting aggresive with the smaller one. I thought putting them in a 90G would give both of them some space and keep algae from spreading. Thanks again.


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It's actually perfect. Like I said Veto anything. I prefer to have you tell me the truth, then sugar coat it. I will definately take your advise and make some major changes to our choices. I prefer to have happy healthy system.

My advice is predicated around having a tank with no inherent stress. Much more enjoyable to watch and less prone to problems as fish mature

I have a great relationship with my LFS, so they will take the hippo back and give me credit.

Kudos to them. Maintain the relationship

As for the Wrasse and coral band, i'll put them in the tank with the flame angel.Just gotta catch them...somehow. He is currenlty all alone, and they were his previous tank mates so they should be fine.

I definatly want to attempt a Pair of Potters leopard's. Love them for some reason.

I share your love of Leopard Wrasses. The trick is to get healthy ones especially with no damage to their mouth. Always best to deworm them with prazipro

I will nix the schooling fish. Many people do chromis which virtually always kill off the crowd until there is only one.

And as for tangs, would it still be okay to do the white cheek and the kole yellow eye? or should i stick with just one?

I advocate for Ctenochaetus family tangs of which the Kole is one. Personality is a bit more mellow. The White Check is an Acanthurus nigricans whose family is a bit less mellow and normally requires larger tank sizes. I would go with the Kole and stick with just one.

Also, my boys want a Clownfish, just one, no pairs as i know they get more aggresive when paired. Which would you recommend for my ritteri and rose bubble? MY local LFS has a tank with several types of anemone including rose bubble tips and their picasso clowns seem to host them all?

I suspect that a Picasso would do well and should associate with your anemone (Anemones host, Clowns associate despite the common usage in reverse

oh and i have an orange linkia,, he's been in ther for the last 3yrs since i started the tank and seems healthy. I dont know if this one is any different then the blue ones?

If it is doing well, no problem. You must have algae

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Unread 06/10/2011, 10:17 PM   #4279
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I have a question and I am not sure if this is where to put it or not so here goes. It does have to do with new purchases.

I have a 75gallon reef tank with 1 rose bubble-tip anemone, a ton of mushrooms and some star polyps. Currently the only fish that I have is a flametail blenny, that I've had for over 2 years now. (Lost the other fish over the last 2 years and have not replaced any yet) I want to restock my tank but am worried about compatibility.

Eventually these are the fish I would like to stock in the tank:
Flametail blenny
2 black percula clowns
1 coral beauty
1 flameangel
Diamond watchman goby
1 or 2 purple firefish
1 Royal Gramma


My questions are:
Would this be a good combination?
And Should I add the clowns first or would it be better to add them last to help with the aggression?

Thanks for all of your help! you guys are wonderful!


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Unread 06/11/2011, 04:36 AM   #4280
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I have a question and I am not sure if this is where to put it or not so here goes. It does have to do with new purchases.

Yes, this thread is an expert thread specifically about fish compatibility.

I have a 75gallon reef tank with 1 rose bubble-tip anemone, a ton of mushrooms and some star polyps. Currently the only fish that I have is a flametail blenny, that I've had for over 2 years now. (Lost the other fish over the last 2 years and have not replaced any yet) I want to restock my tank but am worried about compatibility.

Eventually these are the fish I would like to stock in the tank:
Flametail blenny
2 black percula clowns
1 coral beauty
1 flameangel
Diamond watchman goby
1 or 2 purple firefish One is fine; if you have two they must be a bonded pair for long term survival
1 Royal Gramma Needs significant rock work to "hang out" in


My questions are:
Would this be a good combination? I think so
And Should I add the clowns first or would it be better to add them last to help with the aggression?

Last. Once they are sexually mature, they will be more aggressive

Thanks for all of your help! you guys are wonderful!
You are most welcome. When your tank is successful, we are happy


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Unread 06/11/2011, 01:12 PM   #4281
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Hello,

I have had questions answered on here a few times with expert advice. This should be my last question until I build the 300 gallon I have planned.

I have a 110g with 30 gallon sump, with the following fish:

2 Swallowtail angelfish
1 schooling bannerfish (reef safe so far)
2 African exquisite wrasse
1 Bartlett anthias
1 Powder brown tang

The last fish I would like to add to this tank is a kole tang. Is it safe to add him to this tank with the Powder brown? Or is there another smallish tang that will work. Everyone is getting along great, would like to keep it that way.

I believe I may have asked something similar earlier but I planned on adding both tangs at the same time, but my fish suppliers, supplier was sold out of the Koles. Is it too late to add the Kole, I guess is my question?

Thank you for your help.


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Hello,

I have had questions answered on here a few times with expert advice. This should be my last question until I build the 300 gallon I have planned.

I have a 110g with 30 gallon sump, with the following fish:

2 Swallowtail angelfish
1 schooling bannerfish (reef safe so far)
2 African exquisite wrasse
1 Bartlett anthias
1 Powder brown tang

The last fish I would like to add to this tank is a kole tang. Is it safe to add him to this tank with the Powder brown? Or is there another smallish tang that will work. Everyone is getting along great, would like to keep it that way.

I believe I may have asked something similar earlier but I planned on adding both tangs at the same time, but my fish suppliers, supplier was sold out of the Koles. Is it too late to add the Kole, I guess is my question?

Thank you for your help.
It is difficult to say with certainty. What sized tangs? Smaller is better. If I were to guess, I would say you might get away with it if you rearrange your rock work and for sure have lights out when adding.


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It is difficult to say with certainty. What sized tangs? Smaller is better. If I were to guess, I would say you might get away with it if you rearrange your rock work and for sure have lights out when adding.
Thank you.

The Powder brown is around 2.5in. The Kole should be around the same. Good idea about turning off the lights.



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Unread 06/11/2011, 07:32 PM   #4284
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Hey guys, I could use a second opinion on my stocking. I started stocking my 600g about 4 mo ago... slowly adding a few fish every other week. I was at 16 fish at the end of May.

4 damsels 1 1/2"
3 blue green chromis 1 1/4"
5 sm chromis (forgot the name) 2"
1 maroon clown 3"
2 royal grammas 2"
1 sixline wrasse 2"

On June 2nd I added 3 fish.

1 yellow tang 3"
1 coral beauty angel 1 1/2"
1 flame angel 1 1/2"

Yesterday, June 10th I added 2 fish and tested water(ammonia 0) (nitrite 0) (nitrate 0)

1 blueface angel 4 1/2"
1 peppermint candy cane hogfish 4"

My question is... Do you think I will shock my system by adding a few more fish this week? The reason I ask is because they have one of the fish on my list on sale at live aquaria. In order to get the free shipping I would have to order 3 fish. My gut tells me to wait a couple of weeks but am I just paranoid. How long does it take for the bacteria to catch up to the new load. I do have alot of rock (600 lbs) in the tank. Your best guess would be appreciated.


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Hey guys, I could use a second opinion on my stocking. I started stocking my 600g about 4 mo ago... slowly adding a few fish every other week. I was at 16 fish at the end of May.

4 damsels 1 1/2"
3 blue green chromis 1 1/4"
5 sm chromis (forgot the name) 2"
1 maroon clown 3"
2 royal grammas 2"
1 sixline wrasse 2"

On June 2nd I added 3 fish.

1 yellow tang 3"
1 coral beauty angel 1 1/2"
1 flame angel 1 1/2"

Yesterday, June 10th I added 2 fish and tested water(ammonia 0) (nitrite 0) (nitrate 0)

1 blueface angel 4 1/2"
1 peppermint candy cane hogfish 4"

My question is... Do you think I will shock my system by adding a few more fish this week? The reason I ask is because they have one of the fish on my list on sale at live aquaria. In order to get the free shipping I would have to order 3 fish. My gut tells me to wait a couple of weeks but am I just paranoid. How long does it take for the bacteria to catch up to the new load. I do have alot of rock (600 lbs) in the tank. Your best guess would be appreciated.
I see no problem with biocapacity. Your tank maturity coupled with your significant amount of live rock should be fine. But you might give it some time after this and let the biofilter add to its capacity.


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I see no problem with biocapacity. Your tank maturity coupled with your significant amount of live rock should be fine. But you might give it some time after this and let the biofilter add to its capacity.
Thanks Steve. I tell the newbies to go slow when it comes to stocking... just didnt want to end up messing things up myself. How many times a year do you go diving?... must be alot to have 3000 dives. What is your favorite place to visit?


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Thanks Steve. I tell the newbies to go slow when it comes to stocking... just didnt want to end up messing things up myself.

Of course the difference is your total biocapacity with 600 gallons and 600 (or so) lbs of live rock versus their 30 gallons of capacity with some live rock. Your incremental carrying capacity is almost negligible.

How many times a year do you go diving?... must be alot to have 3000 dives. What is your favorite place to visit?
When I was working I had a rather unusual relationship with my employer so I went diving a lot and since I did primarily live aboards, I was doing about 30 dives per week while going for about a month at a time. I was doing photography primarily, so my favorite locations differed: Fiji for color, Papua New Guinea (Milne Bay), Philippines for unusual animals, Solomon Islands for a mixture of large and small stuff as well as color, Papua New Guinea North for large animals, and Indonesia for a mixture of stuff. Now, travel to my favorite locations is difficult from a safety perspective and I no longer dive.


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In addition to my previous list I want to add a mandarin dragonette. I know they require copepods which I have plenty of them. The tank has been set up for over 2 years now and I am constantly cleaning them off my glass. Would any of the other fish be too aggressive for a dragonette?

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Hi all...

So I have an update and would love your opinion....

Here is the current tank info

So our tank now looks like the following:

75g Tank
80lbs of Live Sand
20lbs of crushed coral
150lbs Live Rock

25g eshoppes sump (with live rock)
CPR - overflow with air lifter
CPR - Protein Skimmer
Heater
Pump

1 Siccie - Powerhead (I thought this one was a Tunze until I checked the box)
1 Koralia - Powerhead

3 x Aquaray LEDS with Controller
1 Coralife T5 48" 2 bulb

Corals
* Leather Coral (Came on live rock)
* Cabbage Coral
* Teal Kenya Tree
* Purple Tip Hammer Coral
* Toad Stool (Medium/low light and flow)
* Kenya Tree (Low flow to grow/ high-medium to maintain)
* Orange Zoa
* Star Polyp (high light and high flow)
* Green People Eaters (Zoa's)
* Xenia
* Green Torch Coral (Medium light/Medium Flow)
* Torch Coral (Orange/white) - (Medium light/Medium flow)
* Fuzzy Mushrooms (Moderate/low flow - any light)
* Star Polyps - Pink and Green
* Blue Mushrooms with Lime Green Zoas

Inverts
* 3 Mexican Turbo Snails
* 10 Sm. Hermits
* 5 sm. snails
* 4 Peppermint Shrimp
* 2 Cleaner Shrimp
* 3 Emerald Crabs
* Brittle Star
* Conch (Hitched a ride on a coral/rock)

Fish
* 2 Clowns
* 1 Six-Line Wrasse
* 1 Algae Blenny
* 1 Dwarf Coral Beauty Angel

**We really want to add color and make sure that all the fish will go well together...

The only other fish that is a MUST is a Yellow Tang... we would love to do a Blue Empire but have heard so many negatives...

We would like a blue fish and maybe a red one as well.. we like the Flame Angels but have heard they won't go well with the Coral Beauty - and are a little less reef safe...

Def. looking for color and uniqueness... but on the easier side since we are just starting,... I would love a Mandarin Goby but know that our tank should be up for 9months first...

Any thoughts and ideas on fish that will play nice but really add some color and life


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In addition to my previous list I want to add a mandarin dragonette. I know they require copepods which I have plenty of them. The tank has been set up for over 2 years now and I am constantly cleaning them off my glass. Would any of the other fish be too aggressive for a dragonette?

Thanks again
Marginal, but should be fine. A producing refugium would be better still.


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Hi all...

So I have an update and would love your opinion....

Here is the current tank info

So our tank now looks like the following:

75g Tank
80lbs of Live Sand
20lbs of crushed coral
150lbs Live Rock

25g eshoppes sump (with live rock)
CPR - overflow with air lifter
CPR - Protein Skimmer
Heater
Pump

1 Siccie - Powerhead (I thought this one was a Tunze until I checked the box)
1 Koralia - Powerhead

3 x Aquaray LEDS with Controller
1 Coralife T5 48" 2 bulb

Corals
* Leather Coral (Came on live rock)
* Cabbage Coral
* Teal Kenya Tree
* Purple Tip Hammer Coral
* Toad Stool (Medium/low light and flow)
* Kenya Tree (Low flow to grow/ high-medium to maintain)
* Orange Zoa
* Star Polyp (high light and high flow)
* Green People Eaters (Zoa's)
* Xenia
* Green Torch Coral (Medium light/Medium Flow)
* Torch Coral (Orange/white) - (Medium light/Medium flow)
* Fuzzy Mushrooms (Moderate/low flow - any light)
* Star Polyps - Pink and Green
* Blue Mushrooms with Lime Green Zoas

Inverts
* 3 Mexican Turbo Snails
* 10 Sm. Hermits
* 5 sm. snails
* 4 Peppermint Shrimp
* 2 Cleaner Shrimp
* 3 Emerald Crabs
* Brittle Star
* Conch (Hitched a ride on a coral/rock)

Fish
* 2 Clowns
* 1 Six-Line Wrasse this fish constrains your choices as it can be exceptionally aggressive
* 1 Algae Blenny
* 1 Dwarf Coral Beauty Angel

**We really want to add color and make sure that all the fish will go well together...

The only other fish that is a MUST is a Yellow Tang... we would love to do a Blue Empire but have heard so many negatives...

We would like a blue fish and maybe a red one as well.. we like the Flame Angels but have heard they won't go well with the Coral Beauty - and are a little less reef safe...

Def. looking for color and uniqueness... but on the easier side since we are just starting,... I would love a Mandarin Goby but know that our tank should be up for 9months first...

Any thoughts and ideas on fish that will play nice but really add some color and life
It is difficult for me to suggest as our tastes may be dissimilar (actually probably are) but you might consider a gramma loretto (royal gramma).


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I am ready to add my first fish/fishes to my 120g. Fish I really want sooner or later are a royal gramma, some cardinal fish (banggai or pajama or both) and several blue/green chromis. I know the issues with the chromis eventually killing each other off till only one or two survive though some people seem to have better luck. Would starting with 5 chromis in this tank be ok? Would they have a better chance of surviving being by themselves for a while in a relatively big tank? Tests are good, tank is ready for fish. Alternatively, what would you suggest for a first fish.


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I am ready to add my first fish/fishes to my 120g. Fish I really want sooner or later are a royal gramma, some cardinal fish (banggai or pajama or both) and several blue/green chromis. I know the issues with the chromis eventually killing each other off till only one or two survive though some people seem to have better luck. Would starting with 5 chromis in this tank be ok? Would they have a better chance of surviving being by themselves for a while in a relatively big tank? Tests are good, tank is ready for fish. Alternatively, what would you suggest for a first fish.
I would not start a newly cycled tank with five fish. Of the fish you mention, there should be no interaction among them, so I would start with a royal gramma, perhaps then a cardinal or two, etc. The survival issue with Chromis is confined to chromis interaction not interaction with other fish.


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snorvich, please help.

I was wondering would these two fishes make it OK with each other?

Naso Tang (currently in tank)

Powder Blue Tang (what I want to add)

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snorvich, please help.

I was wondering would these two fishes make it OK with each other?

Naso Tang (currently in tank)

Powder Blue Tang (what I want to add)

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If so, I would consider a powder blue for that sized tank, and would remove the "Naso" (( any of the "Naso" tangs will get way too big for that sized tank )).


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I forgot to update my profile. i also have a 30g, 90g, and a 300g.

i use my 30g as a QT, my 57g for corals/frags with small fish, and 90g for baby fishes that will go to my 300g tank.

the naso tang i have is still a baby and is in my 90g tank. my 300g tank is roughly 1.5 months old so it's not ready for the tangs yet. i would like to put the powder blue tang in the 90g until my 300g is ready, which I'm thinking is another 5 months.

once my 300g tank is ready i am planning to get rid of my 90g tank because it's becoming a little too much work to maintain everything.

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I have a 29g tank (set up over a year). Right now the only fish in it is a clown (I think ocellaris). I would like to get a couple more fish later this year, but I'm afraid of overstocking or getting a fish that is too big. Does anyone have any recommendations? I love the black and white ocellaris, but I don't know if it would fight with the clown I already have? Other ideas?


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Wow, what a great thread. Thank you guys for setting this up and answering all the newbie questions. This would have saved me a lot of research. So after a few months of research I'd like to have a sanity check on my plans.

Tank Info:
Rescued 90 gallon reef ready tank off craigslist 4 months ago. This tank was already setup with 4" live sand bed and 120+ lbs of live rock. I removed the deep sand bed and setup about 1.5-2" sand bed, 2 Korella K4 power heads, using both 1" and 3/4" as drains with derso standpipes. Replaced the lighting with a 48" T5HO fixture with individual reflectors, running around 11-12K spectrum. BRS GFO reactor with maxijet 1200. Reefkeeper lite for lights/heater/reactor. I already had a heater die and raise temps to 84 degrees, I caught it in time but don't want to nuke the tank, hence the reefkeeper.

Sump:
40 gallon breeder with 3 chambers 1 of which is a 10 gallon refugium with Caulerpa mexicana, seeded with pods
Kent marine skimmer (will replace with SWC 160 Cone in a few months)
Mag 18 return pump

This tank was covered in algae and actually had a live dungeness crab in it when I bought it. It was established for years but had a host of neglict problems.

Current conditions:
0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 5 nitrate, 1.025-26 salinity, 9.4 dKH, 8.1 ph, 405 calcium, 1100 mg, using Instant Ocean salt that came with the tank, was going to switch to seachem reef mix or tunze when my supply runs out.

Current fish:

1st fish added when we were sure the move didn't cycle the tank - Yellow eyed kole tang (3.5")

2 firefish (hopefully a pair)

1 6 line wrasse (turned into a pain and nipped the firefish, temp removed rockwork and finally removed him and went to a friends tank)

1 lawnmower blenny (3.25")

1 black lawnmower blenny (2" he's smaller than the lawnmower and getting harassed so the lawnmower might need to go)

1 seahare (3.5-4" he's feasted on the algae and in a couple weeks will probably need to go back to the LFS, they offer a sea hare rental program for problem tanks)

Inverts:
1 Rose bubble anenome

1 blue tuxedo urchin

1 cleaner shrimp

2 small fighting conch

4 emerald crabs (1 of the males seems to be MIA)

4 pom pom crabs (the males seem to be missing, only seen the females with eggs recently)

2 money cowrie

10-15 small cerith snails
15 astra snails
1 - turbo snail, he's in the refugium
20 small to medium blue leg hermit

Corals:
3 small pieces of kenya
1 small frag of candy cane
5 small Zoa frags

Ok with that out of the way here's the stocking list I'd like to add in the future, in this order.

2 (paired) ORA Blue Mandarins (I'll make sure they eat prepared foods and frozen before I leave the store)

3 captive bred bangaii cardinals (would like to get a pair, I read the only real way to be sure is add 3 and wait for them to kill off the non-paired)

2 (paired) ORA Amphiprion percula clownfish. I heard they're the least aggressive (without going to skunk or clarkii) clownfish. The goal would be to get them to associate with the rose.


The goal is to keep a peaceful tank.

I'm also tossing around the idea adding a goby or two in the future, maybe a different type of crab (blue porcelain crab), a shrimp that will get along with the cleaner and other inverts (no clue what fits the bill yet).

Long term I'd like to add some SPS corals high up in the tank and replace the lighting with LEDs.

Any issues? Should I change my plans or order of stocking?

Thanks in advance!


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I forgot to update my profile. i also have a 30g, 90g, and a 300g.

i use my 30g as a QT, my 57g for corals/frags with small fish, and 90g for baby fishes that will go to my 300g tank.

the naso tang i have is still a baby and is in my 90g tank. my 300g tank is roughly 1.5 months old so it's not ready for the tangs yet. i would like to put the powder blue tang in the 90g until my 300g is ready, which I'm thinking is another 5 months.

once my 300g tank is ready i am planning to get rid of my 90g tank because it's becoming a little too much work to maintain everything.

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they should get along fine in a 300 gallon tank BUT your Naso will outgrow that tank too.


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I have a 29g tank (set up over a year). Right now the only fish in it is a clown (I think ocellaris). I would like to get a couple more fish later this year, but I'm afraid of overstocking or getting a fish that is too big. Does anyone have any recommendations? I love the black and white ocellaris, but I don't know if it would fight with the clown I already have? Other ideas?
You can have a pair of same species clowns in your tank but cannot mix species. If you do pair up your existing clown, once sexually mature, the pair will want to control 25-30 gallons of tank space. So you could have a goby/pistol pair or similar.


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