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Mbtech83 · 12/02/2012, 08:44 PM

I test multiple times a week to check my numbers, should've put punctuation for more clarity. I want to introduce the cardinals after another month of testing to make sure my parameters are ok before adding fish. And as far as not recommending fish I can see where that could cause some issues if something were to not work out as someone had hoped so thanks for the input I will try to come up with a list and get back with you.

ridleywr24cb · 12/03/2012, 12:08 AM

Ok thanks

snorvich · 12/03/2012, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbtech83

And as far as not recommending fish I can see where that could cause some issues if something were to not work out as someone had hoped so thanks for the input I will try to come up with a list and get back with you.

Actually my reasons for not recommending are threefold: My taste and budget will not coincide with yours but more importantly I want you to develop the skills of researching fish.

swine · 12/03/2012, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

Actually my reasons for not recommending are threefold: My taste and budget will not coincide with yours but more importantly I want you to develop the skills of researching fish.

Do you have any suggestions for sites to research fish? Wikipedia doesnt have the right information and I feel sites like live aquaria are biased in the sense they are a business... That being said there also seem to be overly cautious people on the forums too.

I've suggested lots of fish to you but need to do some more research before I start listing off every cool/beautiful creature I see that would, to a beginner, seem to work in my tank.

snorvich · 12/03/2012, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swine

Do you have any suggestions for sites to research fish? Wikipedia doesnt have the right information and I feel sites like live aquaria are biased in the sense they are a business... That being said there also seem to be overly cautious people on the forums too.

I've suggested lots of fish to you but need to do some more research before I start listing off every cool/beautiful creature I see that would, to a beginner, seem to work in my tank.

By far the best is Live Aquaria, which, in my opinion has the least conflict of interest of any other vendor. We have, over time, influenced Kevin to upgrade some of his recommendations about tank size but those have been very infrequent. LA is pretty accurate about tank size and feeding regime. What is not feasible for them or any other vendor is behavioral interaction. My general orientation is on the conservative side; I have been doing this a very, very long time and I have found that conservative, and slow change is by far the best. On the other hand, there is no rule that says you have to follow my advice.

swine · 12/03/2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

By far the best is Live Aquaria, which, in my opinion has the least conflict of interest of any other vendor. We have, over time, influenced Kevin to upgrade some of his recommendations about tank size but those have been very infrequent. LA is pretty accurate about tank size and feeding regime. What is not feasible for them or any other vendor is behavioral interaction. My general orientation is on the conservative side; I have been doing this a very, very long time and I have found that conservative, and slow change is by far the best. On the other hand, there is no rule that says you have to follow my advice.

Thats reassuring that LA is reliable. They do have a basic compatibility chart but as you said that isnt truly the behavioral interaction.

I understand being on the conservative side for sure, and for lots of new people on here I can understand how it would be annoying/shocking being told an eel, nemo, dori, mandarin and a sea horse wont get along together in a 20 gallon tank

. especially after cycling your tank for months. But I don't want to create anymore unnecessary stress for any animals that have to remain in captivity. One idea I have toyed with though is making a peaceful tank then introduce predators and build it up to an aggressive tank. Yeah that would be an expensive couple of meals but we'll see if I'll be able to sacrifice the animals in a couple years time.

Personally, as of now, I don't get distraught when a fish dies unless I really could of prevented it. I feel like an idiot for doing something wrong though, and do feel bad that they could have lived much longer. For instance, I hooked up my homemade sump to soon and the silicon leaked ammonia and killed 3 damsels when my tank was on the last leg of cycling.

back on track:
You mentioned that a skunk shrimp and goby do not have a commensal relationship. They both eat meaty foods right, so wouldnt that be commensal? Or maybe I don't understand the reefers meaning of commensal. Do I need a omnivore for a commensal relationship? What makes a shrimp commensal with the goby? Would camel shrimp fulfill that?

snorvich · 12/03/2012, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swine

Thats reassuring that LA is reliable. They do have a basic compatibility chart but as you said that isnt truly the behavioral interaction.

I understand being on the conservative side for sure, and for lots of new people on here I can understand how it would be annoying/shocking being told an eel, nemo, dori, mandarin and a sea horse wont get along together in a 20 gallon tank

. especially after cycling your tank for months. But I don't want to create anymore unnecessary stress for any animals that have to remain in captivity. One idea I have toyed with though is making a peaceful tank then introduce predators and build it up to an aggressive tank. Yeah that would be an expensive couple of meals but we'll see if I'll be able to sacrifice the animals in a couple years time.

Personally, as of now, I don't get distraught when a fish dies unless I really could of prevented it. I feel like an idiot for doing something wrong though, and do feel bad that they could have lived much longer. For instance, I hooked up my homemade sump to soon and the silicon leaked ammonia and killed 3 damsels when my tank was on the last leg of cycling.

back on track:
You mentioned that a skunk shrimp and goby do not have a commensal relationship. They both eat meaty foods right, so wouldnt that be commensal? Or maybe I don't understand the reefers meaning of commensal. Do I need a omnivore for a commensal relationship? What makes a shrimp commensal with the goby? Would camel shrimp fulfill that?

I really do not want this thread to become a discussion thread as that is not its intent. Skunk shrimp are "cleaner" shrimp that clean fish (although not of parasites found in aquaria since those are under the skin). Since gobies do not allow cleaning behavior, there is really not mutualism or symbiotic behavior between the two. Mutualism is any relationship between individuals of different species where both individuals benefit. In general, only lifelong interactions involving close physical contact can properly be considered symbiotic. Mutualistic relationships may be either obligate for both species, obligate for one but facultative for the other, or facultative for both. Many biologists restrict the definition of symbiosis to close mutualist relationships. Gobies that pair with pistol shrimp are involved in a obligate mutualistic relationship since pistol shrimp are effectively blind and cannot protect themselves whereas gobies cannot dig burrows.

eidels · 12/03/2012, 10:22 PM

Hello! I have a 240 sps tank w/ 80gal sump now approx 6 mo old
Current fish are
Vanatu hooded wrasse
red velvet wrasse
Randalls Anthia
Ignitus Anthias 4
Resplendant Anthias 3
Midas Blenny
One Spot Blenny
Two Spot Goby
Yellow Goby
Red Spotted Goby 2
bluegreen chromis
Kole Tang
One Spot Rabbit fish
Achilles Tang

My Achilles is well established for several months now approx 5in Fat and sassy. I'd like to add a Powder Brown and eventually a Hippo and a yellow tang. A tank divider for several days has helped me immensely introducing new fish. I do feed relatively heavily multiple times a day. I use overflow filters, massive over skimming and vinegar to keep the water quality. What do you think?

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidels

Hello! I have a 240 sps tank w/ 80gal sump now approx 6 mo old
Current fish are
Vanatu hooded wrasse
red velvet wrasse
Randalls Anthia
Ignitus Anthias 4
Resplendant Anthias 3
Midas Blenny
One Spot Blenny
Two Spot Goby
Yellow Goby
Red Spotted Goby 2
bluegreen chromis
Kole Tang
One Spot Rabbit fish
Achilles Tang

My Achilles is well established for several months now approx 5in Fat and sassy. I'd like to add a Powder Brown and eventually a Hippo and a yellow tang. A tank divider for several days has helped me immensely introducing new fish. I do feed relatively heavily multiple times a day. I use overflow filters, massive over skimming and vinegar to keep the water quality. What do you think?

tough call. If it were me, I would do the powder brown and stop. Possibly the yellow.

Yschen · 12/04/2012, 06:22 AM

Hello I posted this earlier on the Aggressive tank/Fowlr part of the forum, guess I should have posted it here instead.

Possible FOWLR tank:
59.1x19.7x19.7 weighing in at 99.33 gallons.
This tank will be sumpless if I decide to go for it.
It's the first time I've considered SW but I thought it would be easier to build the tank system around the stock to suit their needs.

I planned to stock it with the following fish.
Ocellaris Clownfish 1-2. 2 if I can get ahold of a pair, 1 if not.
Flame angel, Centopogyne loriculus (current stand in). The other Dwarf Angels I've looked at are Bicolor and Coral Beauty.
Yellow tang, Zebrasoma flavescens OR Tomini Tang, Ctenochaetus tominiensis. ONE of these not both.

Does this look like a good stock with a good HOB skimmer?
Could I add some sort of Goby or Wrasse to this setup?

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yschen

Hello I posted this earlier on the Aggressive tank/Fowlr part of the forum, guess I should have posted it here instead.

Yes, they probably did not supply many answers.

Possible FOWLR tank:
59.1x19.7x19.7 weighing in at 99.33 gallons.
This tank will be sumpless if I decide to go for it.

While I prefer using a sump because of oxygenation, if infeasible a HOB skimmer can work

It's the first time I've considered SW but I thought it would be easier to build the tank system around the stock to suit their needs.

I planned to stock it with the following fish.
Ocellaris Clownfish 1-2. 2 if I can get ahold of a pair, 1 if not.

If you can find two very small A. ocellaris, creating a pair is easy. Look for one inch or thereabouts

Flame angel, Centopogyne loriculus (current stand in). The other Dwarf Angels I've looked at are Bicolor and Coral Beauty.

The coloration and behavior of C. loriculus is superb. In your sized tank, two dwarf angels is possible if introduced concurrently. Coral beauty are also pretty with the same behavior characteristics

Yellow tang, Zebrasoma flavescens OR Tomini Tang, Ctenochaetus tominiensis. ONE of these not both.

I always opt for Ctenochaetus family tangs. Zebrasoma family can be more aggressive towards other tank mates

Does this look like a good stock with a good HOB skimmer?
Could I add some sort of Goby or Wrasse to this setup?

Looks fine to me. If you add a wrasse be aware of their jumping propensity which may be problematic unless you can completely cover your tank. A goby would be a fine addition; if you plan sand, a goby/shrimp commensal relationship is interesting

Yschen · 12/04/2012, 09:55 AM

Didn't know I could add 2 small clowns and they would pair up. Do they do this on their own or could the potentially harm/kill eachother?

I don't wish to have a much sand in the tank, just an inch for aesthetics. Would that still be enough for a Goby?

In what order should I add the fish?

On the subject of the sump, how big a sump would I need for this tank? I'm worried about the weight of the whole system since I want to be able to take it with me when I move, and not be worried about it going through the floor.
Yes I know it's quite silly.

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yschen

Didn't know I could add 2 small clowns and they would pair up. Do they do this on their own or could the potentially harm/kill eachother?

Assuming they are small (non-sexually differentiated) and the same size, no problem. They will go through a bonding phase where the female begins being a female and dominating the male into submission (which is an interesting little dance on his part; reminds me of some humans)

I don't wish to have a much sand in the tank, just an inch for aesthetics. Would that still be enough for a Goby?

yes

In what order should I add the fish?

always most aggressive last which in your case is a tang

On the subject of the sump, how big a sump would I need for this tank? I'm worried about the weight of the whole system since I want to be able to take it with me when I move, and not be worried about it going through the floor. 30 gallons or there abouts; saltwater weighs about 8+ lbs per gallon
Yes I know it's quite silly.

mikeyVR4 · 12/04/2012, 11:05 AM

Hello,

Specs:
75 Gallon tank (75lbs of Live Rock)
20 Gallon Sump (2 lbs - 3 lbs of live rock)
Oolight sand in main tank.
Overflow, etc.

I want to finally add a CuC since my algae levels are up there with Diatoms on rocks and sand bed.

Water Levels:
pH: 8.3
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 10ppm

Tank is roughly 5 weeks established. Already completed a water change and have a blue tang, clown, and Xenia established. Yes I know now it was too early to add anything in there but made the mistake on trusting my LFS which results to one clown dying.

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyVR4

Hello,

Specs:
75 Gallon tank (75lbs of Live Rock)
20 Gallon Sump (2 lbs - 3 lbs of live rock)
Oolight sand in main tank.
Overflow, etc.

I want to finally add a CuC since my algae levels are up there with Diatoms on rocks and sand bed.

Water Levels:
pH: 8.3
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 10ppm

Tank is roughly 5 weeks established. Already completed a water change and have a blue tang, clown, and Xenia established. Yes I know now it was too early to add anything in there but made the mistake on trusting my LFS which results to one clown dying.

And a hepatus tang that Reef Central recommends going in a 240 gallon tank.

mikeyVR4 · 12/04/2012, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

And a hepatus tang that Reef Central recommends going in a 240 gallon tank.

Iv'e seen quite a few recommendations. 240 seems a tad overkill and a few people have that size tank and money.

Iv'e seen 75, 90, 125, 240, etc.

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyVR4

Iv'e seen quite a few recommendations. 240 seems a tad overkill and a few people have that size tank and money.

Iv'e seen 75, 90, 125, 240, etc.

I can only give you the reef central recommendation which is found here. . I am not here to argue the value of that recommendation versus those you quote above.

mikeyVR4 · 12/04/2012, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

I can only give you the reef central recommendation which is found here. . I am not here to argue the value of that recommendation versus those you quote above.

No arguing here. A different opinion is usually valued within a conversation. I think my quarter-sized blue tang is quite fine in my tank for now. Thanks for caring.

As to my original question, would a CuC be recommended at this point?

telijah · 12/04/2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyVR4

No arguing here. A different opinion is usually valued within a conversation. I think my quarter-sized blue tang is quite fine in my tank for now. Thanks for caring.

As to my original question, would a CuC be recommended at this point?

Edit: Nothing to see here I guess. I am not staff so I cannot reply to questions, only can ask questions.

mikeyVR4 · 12/04/2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telijah

I JUST added cuc this past weekend. My tank has been up since mid September'ish. I had two damsels, threw some chromis in there unadvised, and one damsel killed them all. So the damsels went, I added more rock, proper lighting, and 2 clowns a few weeks ago. Then this weekend when I got the yellow clown gobie, I went ahead and added ten snails and ten crabs. It's a nice change in scenery with the cuc in there.

Awesome thanks man! Yeah I cant wait to finally add a CuC to clean my tank. I bet the view is awesome as well.

Thanks!

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telijah

I JUST added cuc this past weekend. My tank has been up since mid September'ish. I had two damsels, threw some chromis in there unadvised, and one damsel killed them all. So the damsels went, I added more rock, proper lighting, and 2 clowns a few weeks ago. Then this weekend when I got the yellow clown gobie, I went ahead and added ten snails and ten crabs. It's a nice change in scenery with the cuc in there.

This thread is answered by Reef Central Staff only. While we strongly encourage your answering threads anywhere else on Reef Central we would ask that you not answer them here. In any case this thread is about Marine Fish Compatibility not about CUC.

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyVR4

Awesome thanks man! Yeah I cant wait to finally add a CuC to clean my tank. I bet the view is awesome as well.

Thanks!

This thread is answered by Reef Central Staff only. While we strongly encourage your answering threads anywhere else on Reef Central we would ask that you not answer them here and especially not turn this thread into a discussion thread. In any case this thread is about Marine Fish Compatibility not about CUC.

snorvich · 12/04/2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyVR4

No arguing here. A different opinion is usually valued within a conversation.

Sorry, but this thread is not a conversation, it is an expert thread about marine fish compatibility.

I think my quarter-sized blue tang is quite fine in my tank for now. Thanks for caring.

As to my original question, would a CuC be recommended at this point?

Sorry, this thread is only about marine fish compatibility, please.

telijah · 12/04/2012, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

This thread is answered by Reef Central Staff only. While we strongly encourage your answering threads anywhere else on Reef Central we would ask that you not answer them here. In any case this thread is about Marine Fish Compatibility not about CUC.

Understood. Please have a mod/admin actually put this rule in the OP so others would know. It is not clearly stated that only questions should be asked and only mod/admin/"staff" will give answers.

To any admin/mod who reads this, feel free to remove this post if the rule is added to the OP. Thanks!

Wretch · 12/04/2012, 04:05 PM

Steve thanks for providing everyone with your expertise.

50g(36x18x18) DT 30g Sump(15g usable), Vertex IN80, 50lbs live rock, 1.5" of sand
Mixed reef mostly Zoas and LPS.

Carpenters Flasher Wrasse(2 or 3) added 1st
Starcki Damsel
Indigo Dottyback(dottybacks added at the same time?)
Orchid Dottyback
Black Percula Clown

thanks for the help.

12/03/2012, 10:22 PM	#4558
eidels Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Cruces New Mexico Posts: 66	Tangs Hello! I have a 240 sps tank w/ 80gal sump now approx 6 mo old Current fish are Vanatu hooded wrasse red velvet wrasse Randalls Anthia Ignitus Anthias 4 Resplendant Anthias 3 Midas Blenny One Spot Blenny Two Spot Goby Yellow Goby Red Spotted Goby 2 bluegreen chromis Kole Tang One Spot Rabbit fish Achilles Tang My Achilles is well established for several months now approx 5in Fat and sassy. I'd like to add a Powder Brown and eventually a Hippo and a yellow tang. A tank divider for several days has helped me immensely introducing new fish. I do feed relatively heavily multiple times a day. I use overflow filters, massive over skimming and vinegar to keep the water quality. What do you think?

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12/02/2012, 08:44 PM	#4551
Mbtech83 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 3	I test multiple times a week to check my numbers, should've put punctuation for more clarity. I want to introduce the cardinals after another month of testing to make sure my parameters are ok before adding fish. And as far as not recommending fish I can see where that could cause some issues if something were to not work out as someone had hoped so thanks for the input I will try to come up with a list and get back with you.

12/03/2012, 12:08 AM	#4552
ridleywr24cb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 71	Ok thanks

12/04/2012, 06:22 AM	#4560
Yschen Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 4	Hello I posted this earlier on the Aggressive tank/Fowlr part of the forum, guess I should have posted it here instead. Possible FOWLR tank: 59.1x19.7x19.7 weighing in at 99.33 gallons. This tank will be sumpless if I decide to go for it. It's the first time I've considered SW but I thought it would be easier to build the tank system around the stock to suit their needs. I planned to stock it with the following fish. Ocellaris Clownfish 1-2. 2 if I can get ahold of a pair, 1 if not. Flame angel, Centopogyne loriculus (current stand in). The other Dwarf Angels I've looked at are Bicolor and Coral Beauty. Yellow tang, Zebrasoma flavescens OR Tomini Tang, Ctenochaetus tominiensis. ONE of these not both. Does this look like a good stock with a good HOB skimmer? Could I add some sort of Goby or Wrasse to this setup?

12/04/2012, 09:55 AM	#4562
Yschen Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 4	Didn't know I could add 2 small clowns and they would pair up. Do they do this on their own or could the potentially harm/kill eachother? I don't wish to have a much sand in the tank, just an inch for aesthetics. Would that still be enough for a Goby? In what order should I add the fish? On the subject of the sump, how big a sump would I need for this tank? I'm worried about the weight of the whole system since I want to be able to take it with me when I move, and not be worried about it going through the floor. Yes I know it's quite silly.

12/04/2012, 11:05 AM	#4564
mikeyVR4 Moved On Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: usa Posts: 209	Hello, Specs: 75 Gallon tank (75lbs of Live Rock) 20 Gallon Sump (2 lbs - 3 lbs of live rock) Oolight sand in main tank. Overflow, etc. I want to finally add a CuC since my algae levels are up there with Diatoms on rocks and sand bed. Water Levels: pH: 8.3 Ammonia: 0 Nitrite: 0 Nitrate: 10ppm Tank is roughly 5 weeks established. Already completed a water change and have a blue tang, clown, and Xenia established. Yes I know now it was too early to add anything in there but made the mistake on trusting my LFS which results to one clown dying.

12/04/2012, 04:05 PM	#4575
Wretch Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey, B.C. Posts: 89	Steve thanks for providing everyone with your expertise. 50g(36x18x18) DT 30g Sump(15g usable), Vertex IN80, 50lbs live rock, 1.5" of sand Mixed reef mostly Zoas and LPS. Carpenters Flasher Wrasse(2 or 3) added 1st Starcki Damsel Indigo Dottyback(dottybacks added at the same time?) Orchid Dottyback Black Percula Clown thanks for the help.