tattooed fish - Page 2

nsreefer · 02/04/2007, 05:05 PM

Dragonforce fish absolutely have nerves.... a fish's lateral line system can detect even the slightest change in water pressure around them... it's how predators hunt and prey gets away... this practice is barbaric.

fancyfish · 02/04/2007, 08:17 PM

all I can say is ...Dont ever buy one. Hopefully no one will. what will people go to to make a dollar?

Random Aquarist · 02/04/2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragonforce
IMO fish have no nerves.

You're saying this as a member of an aquarium website? And with 223 posts already?

SDguy · 02/04/2007, 08:36 PM

I think they are horribly unattractive, but they don't offend me. Hopefully no one will buy them, and the fad will fade away.

Maybe we should dress them in tiny fur coats if you want PETA to get after them. Or tell PETA Naomi Campbell just bought some

Chaotic Reefer4u · 02/04/2007, 08:57 PM

i just seen some at the super wal-mart here close to where i live in gilroy,california yesterday!

SpektralerSpeer · 02/05/2007, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragonforce
I have numerous tattoos and I can assure you that the needle is not the width of a pencil.

The width of the needle compared to the size of the fish is comparable to the width of a pencil compared to a human.

IMO fish have no nerves. I gutted a trout 2 weeks ago about 5 mins after catching it and it was still huffing and puffing for about 10 minutes after I took all his guts out.

Whether fish have nerves or not is not a matter of opinion, it's scientific fact. And it's expected that all animals would have a response to (potential or actual) damage i.e. feel pain, otherwise they'd tend to not survive very long. Also, animals have a tendency to hang on to life. That's to say if someone cut you open and took all your guts out, you could also still be huffing and puffing for quite a while afterwards.

Paul

SpektralerSpeer · 02/05/2007, 04:15 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dragonforce
[B]I have numerous tattoos and I can assure you that the needle is not the width of a pencil.

The width of the needle compared to the size of the fish is comparable to the width of a pencil compared to a human.

Paul

lucifersreef · 02/05/2007, 04:54 AM

luckily nothin of this nature is in Oz yet

fishysteve · 02/05/2007, 07:14 AM

About two years ago I saw some tattooed tinfoil barbs for sale. They were about six inches long and had quite intricate tattooing. That is just wrong.

SptfireXIV · 02/05/2007, 07:26 AM

Just be glad that it'll take some of the attention off of "Nemo's" and "Dories." Believe it or not, this will probably be good for our hobby.

cowboyswife · 02/05/2007, 07:27 AM

That is so disturbing. Poor fish

WinkeyWoneye · 02/05/2007, 07:57 AM

While I dont really agree with tattooing fish.... Dogs have been getting tattoo's for years. Alot of dog breeders have their dogs bellies tattoo'd with some means of ID. It is done to prevent theft, and mark where the pups have originated from.....is this inhumane also??? I know if I had a dog worth top dollar, I would like some form of a permanent Id on it also. Besides.....who says the fish dont want to be tattoo'd???did you ask them?

SpektralerSpeer · 02/05/2007, 09:07 AM

Well, I don't really see the necessity in tatooing a dog when you could simply have a chip implanted under the skin. Much simpler, quicker and much less painful, but perhaps more expensive?

Paul

RichConley · 02/05/2007, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reefnetworth
wheres P.E.T.A.?

Probably paying someone to blow up a lab somewhere. Friggen terrorists.

jbittner · 02/05/2007, 10:36 AM

With so many negitive things happening in the seas (Shark fins, run off, bleaching coral), the last thing anyone sould get upset with is tatooing mollies. Sorry I don't feel your sympathy when shark fins are being harvested only to thow them back in the sea to die. Tattooing mollies is a "very" small drop in the bucket.

LauraCline · 02/05/2007, 10:45 AM

I saw a news story that said they used lasers to make the pattern but it's still sick.

Slphappy · 02/05/2007, 11:14 AM

This is a bad practice, period. If they're anything like the Painted Tetras, the dye will eventually fade anyway (if the fish doesn't die first). Here is an article on the practice... http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/be...aintedfish.htm

fishome25 · 02/05/2007, 04:06 PM

fish have been painted as long as I can remember, its just the designs that are new

Samala · 02/05/2007, 04:12 PM

Right, this has been going on for YEARS guys. At least two years from what I see in the LFS and chain stores. Dont buy them, maybe it will stop. Maybe.

Quote:

Tattooing mollies is a "very" small drop in the bucket.

That may be true, but this is where it can start. You dont value your pet fish, you dont know where your food fish came from or how they were harvested, you've never seen a shark or a whale or touched a stingray or a horseshoe crab... so you have no attachment to these animals, no respect and not a care in the world if they disappear.

Sorry, I'm a big believer in environmental education and how little things can make a very big impact throughout a person's life. It can start with something as little as the ethical problems of a tattoo'd fish. It did for me.

>Sarah

fishome25 · 02/05/2007, 04:34 PM

I remember back when I worked at petco they stopped carrying all painted fish, (mollies, glassfish, tetras, parrotfish, convicts)

Samala · 02/05/2007, 05:17 PM

Ah, I used a lot of "you" in the above. I meant that in general, not anyone in particular who posted in the thread.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

>Sarah

Kigs · 02/05/2007, 06:04 PM

when i first viewed the youtube feed, first thing I thought was "Valentine's Day! That's so cool!" But with the story behind how these fish got there, it really is wrong. This topic seems to be an inevitable controversial subject however. Not advocating it or anything...but it does look nice from the surface. =\

fishes2889 · 02/05/2007, 06:05 PM

Parrot fish(freshwater) are injected with ink as well...thouhg it fades....

SpektralerSpeer · 02/05/2007, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jbittner
With so many negitive things happening in the seas (Shark fins, run off, bleaching coral), the last thing anyone sould get upset with is tatooing mollies. Sorry I don't feel your sympathy when shark fins are being harvested only to thow them back in the sea to die. Tattooing mollies is a "very" small drop in the bucket.

Hi jbittner

I perfectly understand your point. However, as the excellent points made by samala illustrate, it is perhaps our nature more than any particular issue that is in question. If people can understand why it is wrong to tattoo fish, then they should understand why harvesting shark fins is wrong and vice versa. I believe that instead of treating animals as if they exist purely for our entertainment/food etc. we should remember that we have a great responsibility to the animals we keep/farm/hunt to make sure that their life and death is as comfortable as possible, whether they are for show or to be eaten.

Paul

SpektralerSpeer · 02/05/2007, 07:24 PM

Just in case anyone missed it, here is a good article on this issue:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co....p?article_id=72

Paul

02/04/2007, 08:17 PM	#27
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02/04/2007, 08:36 PM	#29
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	I think they are horribly unattractive, but they don't offend me. Hopefully no one will buy them, and the fad will fade away. Maybe we should dress them in tiny fur coats if you want PETA to get after them. Or tell PETA Naomi Campbell just bought some __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

02/04/2007, 08:57 PM	#30
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02/05/2007, 04:15 AM	#32
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	[QUOTE]Originally posted by dragonforce [B]I have numerous tattoos and I can assure you that the needle is not the width of a pencil. The width of the needle compared to the size of the fish is comparable to the width of a pencil compared to a human. Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/05/2007, 07:14 AM	#34
fishysteve Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,804	About two years ago I saw some tattooed tinfoil barbs for sale. They were about six inches long and had quite intricate tattooing. That is just wrong. __________________ On a break

02/04/2007, 05:05 PM	#26
nsreefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stratford, PEI Posts: 502	Dragonforce fish absolutely have nerves.... a fish's lateral line system can detect even the slightest change in water pressure around them... it's how predators hunt and prey gets away... this practice is barbaric.

02/05/2007, 04:54 AM	#33
lucifersreef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 96	luckily nothin of this nature is in Oz yet

02/05/2007, 07:26 AM	#35
SptfireXIV Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisonburg, VA Posts: 1,247	Just be glad that it'll take some of the attention off of "Nemo's" and "Dories." Believe it or not, this will probably be good for our hobby. __________________ Jason Current Tank Info: 120 Gallon Rimless SPS Reef

02/05/2007, 07:27 AM	#36
cowboyswife Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 2,187	That is so disturbing. Poor fish __________________ "The voice of the sea speaks to the soul." - Kate Chopin ~Becca Current Tank Info: Out of the hobby for the time being. But Im sticking around anyway!

02/05/2007, 07:57 AM	#37
WinkeyWoneye Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 318	While I dont really agree with tattooing fish.... Dogs have been getting tattoo's for years. Alot of dog breeders have their dogs bellies tattoo'd with some means of ID. It is done to prevent theft, and mark where the pups have originated from.....is this inhumane also??? I know if I had a dog worth top dollar, I would like some form of a permanent Id on it also. Besides.....who says the fish dont want to be tattoo'd???did you ask them? __________________ CDMAS I suffer from REEFER MADNESS!! Current Tank Info: Oceanic RR 72g Bowfront w/ 20g sump/fuge. Euro-reef CS6-1 skimmer w/gate valve mod. Have a couple SPS corals, many ricordia, zoa's, mushrooms, softies, LPS, and a Rock/flower anemone.

02/05/2007, 09:07 AM	#38
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	Well, I don't really see the necessity in tatooing a dog when you could simply have a chip implanted under the skin. Much simpler, quicker and much less painful, but perhaps more expensive? Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/05/2007, 10:36 AM	#40
jbittner Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Humboldt, NE Posts: 1,014	With so many negitive things happening in the seas (Shark fins, run off, bleaching coral), the last thing anyone sould get upset with is tatooing mollies. Sorry I don't feel your sympathy when shark fins are being harvested only to thow them back in the sea to die. Tattooing mollies is a "very" small drop in the bucket.

02/05/2007, 10:45 AM	#41
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	I saw a news story that said they used lasers to make the pattern but it's still sick. __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/05/2007, 11:14 AM	#42
Slphappy Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cedar Falls, IA Posts: 144	This is a bad practice, period. If they're anything like the Painted Tetras, the dye will eventually fade anyway (if the fish doesn't die first). Here is an article on the practice... http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/be...aintedfish.htm __________________ How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a weary world. ~William Shakespeare

02/05/2007, 04:06 PM	#43
fishome25 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: long island Posts: 2,472	fish have been painted as long as I can remember, its just the designs that are new

02/05/2007, 04:34 PM	#45
fishome25 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: long island Posts: 2,472	I remember back when I worked at petco they stopped carrying all painted fish, (mollies, glassfish, tetras, parrotfish, convicts)

02/05/2007, 05:17 PM	#46
Samala Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,930	Ah, I used a lot of "you" in the above. I meant that in general, not anyone in particular who posted in the thread. Sorry if I offended anyone. >Sarah __________________ "Seaweed is cool, seaweed is fun, it makes its food from the rays of the sun!"

02/05/2007, 06:04 PM	#47
Kigs Moved On Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LI, NY Posts: 2,182	when i first viewed the youtube feed, first thing I thought was "Valentine's Day! That's so cool!" But with the story behind how these fish got there, it really is wrong. This topic seems to be an inevitable controversial subject however. Not advocating it or anything...but it does look nice from the surface. =\

02/05/2007, 06:05 PM	#48
fishes2889 Registered Member. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Emmaus, Pa Posts: 908	Parrot fish(freshwater) are injected with ink as well...thouhg it fades.... __________________ Steve ~Zoa & Ric Addict~ Ichthyophobia - fear of fish Current Tank Info: 33g Long Reef, 5.5g, 20L prop, 45g prop spec in the works

02/05/2007, 07:24 PM	#50
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	Just in case anyone missed it, here is a good article on this issue: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co....p?article_id=72 Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l