DAS EX-3 vs. ReefFlo Orca 200 - Page 2

sjm817 · 01/03/2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
That is the sad thing about Premium, Jeremy is no longer with them.

Yeah, I forgot that. Jeremy was the best and helped make P.A. what it is. He is missed!

I hate SCFH. I have an LPM Dwyer and have no idea when people post SCFH!

scarter · 01/03/2008, 08:40 PM

thanks for all the informative info...
and thanks for the measurement on the neck size

JRaquatics · 01/03/2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by scarter
thanks for all the informative info...
and thanks for the measurement on the neck size

No problem, either way you go they are both great skimmers, I am just not a fan of the AB pumps anymore. If you can wait a couple more weeks I can give you a better update on the skimmer and others that preodered should be gettign theres. The Reeflo 200 is very new so I expect some type of hicup, but for now it is a massive performer.

USC-fan · 01/03/2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
Sorry, I have a DWYRMB 0-50 SCFH Dwyer Meter. So it only reads in SCFH.

Must be user error then.

AB pull 500 lpm and that is a fact...

how much water does the reeflo pump with 1500lph of air?

I know the ab 2001 pumps 500 lph for 500 lph. That is another reason why the AB are really popular skimmers pumps.

wizsmaster · 01/03/2008, 09:18 PM

I have owned 2 D.A.S. EX-3's, i actually sold my old one to CATIII. I just recently got one for a friend, who's had nothing but issues with it ... broken ... broken .. broken.

I've never had this many issues with a skimmer before.

If I had to give you advise at this point, based on my past experiences, and what I've learned and experienced and tried out since owning my first D.A.S. EX-3 ... go with the reeflo.
I had a reeflo 250, then went to a custom skimmer (Volcano) .. and there was NO comparing the D.A.S. EX-3 to the reeflo 250, and i'm sure the 200 will way out compete the EX-3 as well.

The Reeflo's are build soo much better, thicker acrylic that is much less prone to breaking, you will very most likely receive a working & not broken one first time around ... not having to hunt them to get one that works. Their packaging is sloppy at best, their choice of material & finish leaves a little to be desired, and their CS is about the same. :-(

I have heard the complaint about not being able to skim wet from several peeps now .. BTW .. there is a D.A.S. Skimmer club thread!
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1100510

Good Luck.

wizsmaster · 01/03/2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by USC-fan
Must be user error then.

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That is another reason why the AB are really popular skimmers pumps.

If i'm not mistaken, deltec has ditched the AB pumps on their larger models for the eheim 1262's, and maybe other ehaim pumps as well.
Euro reef uses the eheim pumps as well.

JRaquatics · 01/03/2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by USC-fan
Must be user error then.

AB pull 500 lpm and that is a fact...

how much water does the reeflo pump with 1500lph of air?

I know the ab 2001 pumps 500 lph for 500 lph. That is another reason why the AB are really popular skimmers pumps.

I always thought it was everyone else using the dwyer meters incorectly, that is one of the reasons I got my own. either way the king pump pulled more air so what does that say about the aqua bs? I am not here to bash. I just am just giving my personal opinion and experiences.

kdblove_99 · 01/03/2008, 10:19 PM

Skimmers are so personal! Just like a Putter in Golf. It's just a peronal thing.

Both skimmers will do a very good job, no doubt. I said earlier i like DAS. Cause i own one and so does my father in law.

BUt all in all i would probably get the Reeflo now. Becasue like stated above Customer service is way better, I personally think PA has the best customer service around.

Built quality, I have not owned one but would have no doubt the Reeflo is built very well, Not to say the DAS isnt but just not the same caliber.

All in all getteh Reeflo and if you can afford it i would get the 250

USC-fan · 01/03/2008, 10:29 PM

Yeah the reeflo 250 is a beast. A lot better value than the reeflo 200.

Quote:

Originally posted by wizsmaster
If i'm not mistaken, deltec has ditched the AB pumps on their larger models for the eheim 1262's, and maybe other ehaim pumps as well.
Euro reef uses the eheim pumps as well.

Deltec and H&S still use the ab 2001. These pumps have been used for manys years on both these skimmers.

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
I always thought it was everyone else using the dwyer meters incorectly, that is one of the reasons I got my own. either way the king pump pulled more air so what does that say about the aqua bs? I am not here to bash. I just am just giving my personal opinion and experiences.

Like i said you are wrong. It not a opinion on air draw. I have 2 ab 2001 myself it pull 500lph.

I doubt any of your "experiences" when you are trying to say an ab2001 pulls less than 5lpm, that is just misinformation.

scarter · 01/03/2008, 11:13 PM

USC, I believe you are confusing SCFH with LPH......

I think what JR said went something like this:
I couldn't get the pump to pull more than 8 scfh. So I went to my freinds house and tested his H&S and each pump pulled 5 scfhs. This is the reason I am still running the king pump instead of the AB on the Aqua Euro.

scarter · 01/03/2008, 11:15 PM

so what now? I suppose I am leaning towards the RefFlo. so is the 250 worth the jump in price?

and for that matter if I decide to go for the 250, would it be better to go the next step and get a BK??

USC-fan · 01/03/2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scarter
USC, I believe you are confusing SCFH with LPH......

I think what JR said went something like this:
I couldn't get the pump to pull more than 8 scfh. So I went to my freinds house and tested his H&S and each pump pulled 5 scfhs. This is the reason I am still running the king pump instead of the AB on the Aqua Euro.

Nope, i just converted it to LPH because that is what most of us use on this forum.

Ab2001 pull 500 LPH each or about 17.6 SCFH. He is trying to say they pull 5 SCFH or about 170LPH or 2.84 LPM.

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Originally posted by scarter
so what now? I suppose I am leaning towards the RefFlo. so is the 250 worth the jump in price?

and for that matter if I decide to go for the 250, would it be better to go the next step and get a BK??

Yeah it worth it to get the 250. A lot better skimmer and a lot better value. Proven design vs a "new" skimmer.

The reeflo 250 has already been in two tanks of the month here at RC.

To get a BK that can out perform the 250 you will hav to spend over $2000.

glassbox-design · 01/04/2008, 09:10 AM

AB's do pull 500LPH. perhaps the air meters you are using are too large? i've heard of people having put valves on them to get accurate #'s.

i'd go with the reeflo 250 or a different skimmer...

scarter · 01/06/2008, 02:00 AM

so, any other opinions on the upgrade to the 250 vs the 200?

Big_D · 01/06/2008, 08:01 AM

Do you ever plan on going with a bigger tank? If so, then it's almost a no brainer. If not, then you should be fine with the 200. The 200 has a couple nice features that the 250 is lacking and their preliminary performance sounds promising.

If I had it to do all over again (and hopefully I will before too long) and I had the space and extra cash, I'd go with the 250. Although, I'd probably consider a Mako as well as looking into the smaller Spazz Volcano's.

Big D

wizsmaster · 01/06/2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by CATIII
Although, I'd probably consider a smaller Spazz Volcano's.

Big D

JRaquatics · 01/06/2008, 10:17 AM

I thought LPH was the measure of liquid. It is odd that everything else like the euroreefs, Reeflos and octos I have tested are within manufacture air pull. Why does the King pump pull more than the AB? I don't think my meter is too large since it reads as low as 5 scfh. So if I have been using the wrong equipment what is everone else using. I am not mis informing anyone, I own the Dwyermeter or the DAS pump and those were my results. What is everyone using these days? I need something that will read at least 50sfch or higher though.

JRaquatics · 01/06/2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by scarter
so, any other opinions on the upgrade to the 250 vs the 200?

I have worked with both. A few things come into play here. Were do yo see yourself maxing out in this hobby? The 200 has some nice new features EX: the new neck, the Drain (but will soon be on the 250s), the style of the cup "no crown",etc. I would estimate the 200 can handle a heavy stocked 300 at this point. It is still too soon to make assumptions. As for the 250, It is a tried and true performer, a monster. If you are debating on the two I would go with the 250 for the little extra cost. At this time you can even get an upgraded cup to get even better performance out of the skimmer. If you do plan on the 250 and can wait I would hold off until the production run with the drain valves are out.

scarter · 01/07/2008, 01:12 AM

I think i can wait, my two asm G3's are doing OK for the meantime. guess I need to save a few more clams and get the 250

scarter · 01/07/2008, 01:13 AM

JR,
BTW how are those lumen brights treating you?

JRaquatics · 01/07/2008, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scarter
JR,
BTW how are those lumen brights treating you?

They are the best thing I have ever purchased for the reef hobby.

GSMguy · 01/07/2008, 09:00 AM

the 250 is super overkill, just go for the 200 and be done with it

If i had my pick the Reeflo 200 would be it.

scarter · 01/07/2008, 11:09 AM

Anyone know the difference in wattage on the two?

JRaquatics · 01/07/2008, 11:16 AM

Premium has them listed as follows:
Reeflo 200: 100-125w
Reeflo 250: 120w

My killowatt broke so I can't give a true reading myself.

scarter · 01/07/2008, 11:42 AM

well at the same wattage, its kind of a no brainer to go with the 250....
Initial cost doesn't bother me, its the operating cost that I am mostly concerned with.

01/03/2008, 08:40 PM	#27
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	thanks for all the informative info... and thanks for the measurement on the neck size __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/03/2008, 11:13 PM	#35
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	USC, I believe you are confusing SCFH with LPH...... I think what JR said went something like this: I couldn't get the pump to pull more than 8 scfh. So I went to my freinds house and tested his H&S and each pump pulled 5 scfhs. This is the reason I am still running the king pump instead of the AB on the Aqua Euro. __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/03/2008, 11:15 PM	#36
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	so what now? I suppose I am leaning towards the RefFlo. so is the 250 worth the jump in price? and for that matter if I decide to go for the 250, would it be better to go the next step and get a BK?? __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/04/2008, 09:10 AM	#38
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SF Posts: 3,041	AB's do pull 500LPH. perhaps the air meters you are using are too large? i've heard of people having put valves on them to get accurate #'s. i'd go with the reeflo 250 or a different skimmer... __________________ GLASSBOXDESIGN the modern reef blog LEDs are a 50,000 hr investment. Choose wisely. Current Tank Info: ...a new glassbox is coming

01/06/2008, 02:00 AM	#39
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	so, any other opinions on the upgrade to the 250 vs the 200? __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/03/2008, 09:18 PM	#30
wizsmaster Moved On Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ft. Myers, SW FL - USA Posts: 1,579	I have owned 2 D.A.S. EX-3's, i actually sold my old one to CATIII. I just recently got one for a friend, who's had nothing but issues with it ... broken ... broken .. broken. I've never had this many issues with a skimmer before. If I had to give you advise at this point, based on my past experiences, and what I've learned and experienced and tried out since owning my first D.A.S. EX-3 ... go with the reeflo. I had a reeflo 250, then went to a custom skimmer (Volcano) .. and there was NO comparing the D.A.S. EX-3 to the reeflo 250, and i'm sure the 200 will way out compete the EX-3 as well. The Reeflo's are build soo much better, thicker acrylic that is much less prone to breaking, you will very most likely receive a working & not broken one first time around ... not having to hunt them to get one that works. Their packaging is sloppy at best, their choice of material & finish leaves a little to be desired, and their CS is about the same. :-( I have heard the complaint about not being able to skim wet from several peeps now .. BTW .. there is a D.A.S. Skimmer club thread! http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1100510 Good Luck.

01/03/2008, 10:19 PM	#33
kdblove_99 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Frederick,CO Posts: 8,683	Skimmers are so personal! Just like a Putter in Golf. It's just a peronal thing. Both skimmers will do a very good job, no doubt. I said earlier i like DAS. Cause i own one and so does my father in law. BUt all in all i would probably get the Reeflo now. Becasue like stated above Customer service is way better, I personally think PA has the best customer service around. Built quality, I have not owned one but would have no doubt the Reeflo is built very well, Not to say the DAS isnt but just not the same caliber. All in all getteh Reeflo and if you can afford it i would get the 250

01/06/2008, 08:01 AM	#40
Big_D Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 493	Do you ever plan on going with a bigger tank? If so, then it's almost a no brainer. If not, then you should be fine with the 200. The 200 has a couple nice features that the 250 is lacking and their preliminary performance sounds promising. If I had it to do all over again (and hopefully I will before too long) and I had the space and extra cash, I'd go with the 250. Although, I'd probably consider a Mako as well as looking into the smaller Spazz Volcano's. Big D

01/06/2008, 10:17 AM	#42
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	I thought LPH was the measure of liquid. It is odd that everything else like the euroreefs, Reeflos and octos I have tested are within manufacture air pull. Why does the King pump pull more than the AB? I don't think my meter is too large since it reads as low as 5 scfh. So if I have been using the wrong equipment what is everone else using. I am not mis informing anyone, I own the Dwyermeter or the DAS pump and those were my results. What is everyone using these days? I need something that will read at least 50sfch or higher though.

01/07/2008, 01:12 AM	#44
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	I think i can wait, my two asm G3's are doing OK for the meantime. guess I need to save a few more clams and get the 250 __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/07/2008, 01:13 AM	#45
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	JR, BTW how are those lumen brights treating you? __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/07/2008, 09:00 AM	#47
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	the 250 is super overkill, just go for the 200 and be done with it If i had my pick the Reeflo 200 would be it. __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

01/07/2008, 11:09 AM	#48
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	Anyone know the difference in wattage on the two? __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

01/07/2008, 11:16 AM	#49
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	Premium has them listed as follows: Reeflo 200: 100-125w Reeflo 250: 120w My killowatt broke so I can't give a true reading myself.

01/07/2008, 11:42 AM	#50
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	well at the same wattage, its kind of a no brainer to go with the 250.... Initial cost doesn't bother me, its the operating cost that I am mostly concerned with. __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?