Coralline Turning WHITE - Page 2

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 02:13 AM

it was dead, i remember when he traded off the rest of the fish tank for a tatoo and it has been over a year.

i am saying that it is dead rock, and did cycle. i dont think the cycle was from die off, i think it was from remnant "life" and then when it was re-hydrated it began to decay.

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 02:15 AM

basically it got turned into beef jerky when the rock was dried out, but none the less it still had the same amount of substance there, just missing some water.

mmmm....jerky break

waif · 04/28/2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by downhillbiker
i pressure washed each piece with a commercial high pressure washer with a burner on it and scrubbed the rock, so it was clean, but still had the cycle.

i am not saying it had a cycle due to die off, the dead stuff was still there.

dead LR does make sense. i mean it just simply means that the rock was live but now is dead, and contains things that are harmful.

just do me a favor and dont advise anybody to put "dead" LR directly into their tank. If i had listened to you my tank would have crashed and I would have lost all of my sps, and lps corals, and possibly my anemones and polyps.

Dead live rock.....snicker

m2434 · 04/28/2008, 06:22 AM

FWIW, you guy's are arguing over marketing terms

Some vendors market dead live rock as "base rock", some market never live rock as"base rock".... Essentially anything not marketable as "live rock" gets tossed into this bin.

As to the coraline, white=dead. Ijust had a big patch on my back glass turn white and die. It dissapeared compleatly within days, but all the other coraline was fine. The cause, I shifted my MH, approx, 1 inch! Coraline can be very sensitive, in fact, I'd say more so than my acroporas in the same tank

silverking · 04/28/2008, 06:41 AM

i think most of what demonsp is saying is nonsense. i wouldn't take his advise at all.
I got a hundred pounds of as you call "dead live rock" in bins of water right now that has been washed scrubbed and washed and is still reading ammonia of 8
if that was just washed and went right into tank there would be big problems

Longchamp · 04/28/2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by silverking
i think most of what demonsp is saying is nonsense. i wouldn't take his advise at all.
I got a hundred pounds of as you call "dead live rock" in bins of water right now that has been washed scrubbed and washed and is still reading ammonia of 8
if that was just washed and went right into tank there would be big problems

Im in almost the exact same situation as you

ignore demonsp. There is a huge difference between clean base rock and LR that sat in a garage and dried out. All that organic matter is still there which caused the cycle.

mikeshook · 04/28/2008, 11:59 AM

Agreed as above. I would look at light intensity. Also, there are many species of Coralline that thrive at different light levels. I find that if I twist a rock over...the underside is a deep purple and the top side is more of a pink. If left flipped, the newly exposed top side will bleach out and be replaced by the brighter pinker coralline...

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Longchamp
Im in almost the exact same situation as you

ignore demonsp. There is a huge difference between clean base rock and LR that sat in a garage and dried out. All that organic matter is still there which caused the cycle.

i am in the same boat as both of you. i told him that his advise would have crashed my tank and asked him to do me a favor and not give that bad advise again, and he said that he would still give the same advise, and that there is no difference in base rock and dead rock. apparently he has no respect for others in this hobby if he is giving out advise that will crash tanks, and will still do so after he knows it will cycle.

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 12:04 PM

As far as the coralline i think that my issue is just a little bit of light shock. the coralline just went from CF to MH light and it will probably take some adjusting, but I'm sure it will be fine.

Peter Eichler · 04/28/2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by downhillbiker
As far as the coralline i think that my issue is just a little bit of light shock. the coralline just went from CF to MH light and it will probably take some adjusting, but I'm sure it will be fine.

Coralline will bleach and die rather quickly when light intensity changes. Sometimes just replacing a bulb will cause this. Also, the coralline you saw growing was not "rehydrated" coralline that started to grow, it came from another source. Coralline will grow in a fish only tank that has never had a live rock or coral to seed it.

Also, the term base rock has been around for a LONG time and was most commonly used to refer to less attractive live rock that didn't have much visible life. Basically, base rock is less attarctive cheaper rock (dead or live). Lastly, you made a good call on cycling it, even some of the commercially available rocks that appear bleached and void of life can cause a cycle.

04/28/2008, 02:13 AM	#26
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	it was dead, i remember when he traded off the rest of the fish tank for a tatoo and it has been over a year. i am saying that it is dead rock, and did cycle. i dont think the cycle was from die off, i think it was from remnant "life" and then when it was re-hydrated it began to decay. __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

04/28/2008, 02:15 AM	#27
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	basically it got turned into beef jerky when the rock was dried out, but none the less it still had the same amount of substance there, just missing some water. mmmm....jerky break __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

04/28/2008, 06:22 AM	#29
m2434 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,171	FWIW, you guy's are arguing over marketing terms Some vendors market dead live rock as "base rock", some market never live rock as"base rock".... Essentially anything not marketable as "live rock" gets tossed into this bin. As to the coraline, white=dead. Ijust had a big patch on my back glass turn white and die. It dissapeared compleatly within days, but all the other coraline was fine. The cause, I shifted my MH, approx, 1 inch! Coraline can be very sensitive, in fact, I'd say more so than my acroporas in the same tank __________________ Our imagination is stretched to the utmost, not, as in fiction, to imagine things which are not really there, but just to comprehend those things which are there. ~Richard Feynman

04/28/2008, 12:04 PM	#34
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	As far as the coralline i think that my issue is just a little bit of light shock. the coralline just went from CF to MH light and it will probably take some adjusting, but I'm sure it will be fine. __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

04/28/2008, 06:41 AM	#30
silverking Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Ridgeville, OH Posts: 361	i think most of what demonsp is saying is nonsense. i wouldn't take his advise at all. I got a hundred pounds of as you call "dead live rock" in bins of water right now that has been washed scrubbed and washed and is still reading ammonia of 8 if that was just washed and went right into tank there would be big problems

04/28/2008, 11:59 AM	#32
mikeshook Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Charlotte/Houston Posts: 147	Agreed as above. I would look at light intensity. Also, there are many species of Coralline that thrive at different light levels. I find that if I twist a rock over...the underside is a deep purple and the top side is more of a pink. If left flipped, the newly exposed top side will bleach out and be replaced by the brighter pinker coralline...