My first SW

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by KingRicky
Gorilla Glue is the name brand, I found it at wall mart in the paint section. It is where the gloves, tape and small supplies arew. It is non-toxic,100% waterproof. We have been using it for years to glue all kinds of stuff. It bonds just about anything and sticks really well. It does not work as fast as Super Glue but bonds just as well.

You can bond rock/stone, glass,and wood. I have not found anything that it will not eork on yet. Just be carefull because it expands as it dries so you don't have to use alot.

is there any data about its toxicity to fish, coral and inverts?

[KingRicky]

The instructions on the bottle actually require lightly dampening the surfaces to be glued. I don't know if it will work if the surfaces are saturated, never tried to glue anything with it that was real wet.

http://www.gorillaglue.com/

Here is the link to their web site.

[abulgin]

Not to spoil the party, but your 60 gallon is way too small for the Coral Beauty or the Yellow Tang.

[crazywesc]

I drilled my rocks and used 3/8 pvc to stack my rocks up so none of them would be touching the glass. I can pass a mag float all the way around the rock work.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by abulgin
Not to spoil the party, but your 60 gallon is way too small for the Coral Beauty or the Yellow Tang.

I can see the yellow tang being problematic in a 60 gal but curious why you suggested the coral beauty--its only a 4 inch fish in adult?

[abulgin]

if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

[solastsummer]

not to spoil your party but after researching on the internet the absolute largest min tank size said 50... I dont know where you are getting your information. In fact Dr Foster & Smith put the size at 30.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

Albulgin, I have to agree with solastsummer here, I did a quick search of three sites before I posted and none of them listed the needs of a 75 gal.
Mind you they were commercial sites and we know how they can stretch it a little for their interests

I personally don't like the use of the mim tank size criteria, rather I look at the adult size in the wild and their specific needs

[solastsummer]

yeah they could but peteducation.com listed it as 30 and while they are owned by dr fosters and smith they are very very accurate with their needs.

[Jakesaw]

Originally posted by KingRicky
[B]Gorilla Glue is the name brand, I found it at wall mart in the paint section. It is where the gloves, tape and small supplies arew. It is non-toxic,100% waterproof. We have been using it for years to glue all kinds of stuff. It bonds just about anything and sticks really well. It does not work as fast as Super Glue but bonds just as well.

Just make sure you use nitrile gloves when working with gorilla glue. If you get it on your skin - you'll have a dark spot ( like an age spot ) for a week or two on your skin. It's no big deal - but it sure looks strange.

Don't ask me how I know this

[jamest0o0]

Originally posted by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

I've heard 30g as a minimum.

[evilspaz]

Originally posted by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

are you the guy who said tangs need a 300 gallon tank? and its cruel to put them in a 125 gallon?

[solastsummer]

Originally posted by bryan ayo
Do you have a local reef club..I am very active in mine. We have LR for sale weekly and its normally very cheep...Being active in a local RC has many benefits ...We have monthly meeting to get together and swap frags ,ideas, gear and get drunk in the posses..lol!!!

Actually the best way to go is starting with base rock such as macro rocks and take small amounts or LR to seed the base... You would be surprised at what a small amount of LR can do to base.

as for the sump...go big as you can fit ..dot skimp on equipment especially a skimmer!!!!!!!! its the most important piece of equipment you will have in your system!

In all honesty the closest reef club is probably 250 miles away

[abulgin]

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
Albulgin, I have to agree with solastsummer here, I did a quick search of three sites before I posted and none of them listed the needs of a 75 gal.
Mind you they were commercial sites and we know how they can stretch it a little for their interests

I personally don't like the use of the mim tank size criteria, rather I look at the adult size in the wild and their specific needs

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/c_bispinosa.htm

"A minimum of seventy five uncrowded gallons is required for keeping this small angel happy and healthy. Larger is of course better. "

Drs. Foster and Smith is not a reliable source of information, IMO. Not only have I seen some very bad information on the site, but its "minimum tank size" really assumes that the fish is the only one in the tank.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by abulgin
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/c_bispinosa.htm

"A minimum of seventy five uncrowded gallons is required for keeping this small angel happy and healthy. Larger is of course better. "

Drs. Foster and Smith is not a reliable source of information, IMO. Not only have I seen some very bad information on the site, but its "minimum tank size" really assumes that the fish is the only one in the tank.

thankyou abulgin--just goes to show you that you learn something everyday on this site and the importance of keeping an open mind in this hobby

this is also a good example of the confusion over tank size
in the case of tangs it is providing swimming room
IMO in the case of the dwarf angle it is providing adequate territorial rites and rock surface for grazing

thanks again --good call

[abulgin]

I'm sure this isn't the absolute "gospel", that people have success with smaller volumes, but apparently this fish is very territorial so my guess is tank smaller than 75 g needs to have a lot less occupants to work. Stocking is kind of like eating--you see so many fish you love and you think you can cram them in your tank without any adverse consequences. I saw a post here yesterday with a picture of a 55 or 70 gallon that contained a blue hippo tang, a yellow tang and a 9" regal tang. Crazy. This problem is exacerbated by LFS employees who want to make money by selling you whatever fish you're interested in.

[solastsummer]

Im sorry Im still not going to have to agree with you, I dont believe in beliving one websites information when in conflicts with many many others, most of them are non retail websites. Yes i know Im too small for the tang but i have a 125 in storage that i just cant have set up right now because im in a 2nd story apartment

[abulgin]

I can only assume that you don't know anything about wetwebmedia and who is behind it. What are the many, many other websites? I'm interested in checking them out.

Isn't 50 gallons more than 30 gallons?

[abulgin]

Just a quick skim through liveaquaria.com--interesting.

Blue Hippo Tang. 70 gallons min (a 12" fish??). Wrong.

Naso Tang. 125 gallons (an 18" fish??). Wrong.

Bicolor Angel. 30 gallons. Way wrong (this fish grows to 6"!)

Sebae and Carpet anemones. 30 gallons Way wrong (what do you do with it when it gets to 24" in diameter??)

[solastsummer]

30 gallon min
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ang...albeautyan.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=1663

http://www.grizzlyrun.com/Pets/Fish/...ty/Default.htm

http://www.aquariumarticles.com/read/?art=2835

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums...osus-7963.html

http://www.fishlore.com/profiles_cor..._angelfish.htm

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/mari...oralBeauty.php

http://fishinsects.suite101.com/arti...ssential_stats


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http://www.reeftime.com/profiles/dwa...uty/100011.htm

http://www.marinedepotlive.com/ps_Vi...011899-03.html

http://www.reefersdigest.net/pygmy-angels.html

56+

wetwebmedia.com

is that enough for you or do i need to go on?

and as for your rude comment of not knowing wetwebmedia is yeah i do and i spent hours and hours researching it before I started in this hobby

[abulgin]

It wasn't a rude comment. I was just surprised that someone who knows of wetwebmedia would characterize them as some schlock outfit. Honestly, you're the only one here who has come across rudely.

It's clear from the similarity of information that most of the sites you posted simply scrape info from the same site--basically a regurgitation. I note that fishlore.com actually says "Tank Size : 30 gallon (113 liters) minimum, preferrably larger - tanks on the smaller side will surely bring out territory problems with other fish." Did you check out the credentials of the guy who wrote fishinsects.com? Clearly qualified. He actually says you only need a 24 gallon tank. I think he has been smoking something commonly described as a small white rock from a glass tube.

Hey, you're free to buy whatever fish you want for your tank. You don't have to justify your decisions to me. If you think a coral beauty will do find in a 60g, buy it. It might do fine if you have a small bioload. What do I care? This website is simply a means of conveying opinions, info, etc., and I'm free to share my opinions and the info (from trusted sources) I find re same just as you are. If you choose to ignore the shared advice/opinions because your 4 months' of marine experience makes you the expert, hey--more power to you.

[solastsummer]

first off i never did, nor would ever say that wetweb was a "schlock" outfit check yourself before putting words in my mouth.

second off, me rude? Lets think about this, a great way of joining a thread is "not to spoil your party"

third off i provided you with websites stating 30G as a min like you asked. and this whole thing was about min tank size, which you stated at 75, then you jsut respond to others sites with saying they must smoke crack, real good...

fourth off, keep up with the personal attacks, nice...

[abulgin]

You seriously need to relax.

"Not to spoil the party" wasn't a rude introduction. You asked for advice/opinions. I gave mine to you backed by a very credible source. You didn't like my advice and don't believe in "beliving one websites information when in conflicts with many many others, most of them are non retail websites." You can fault me if you want, but I trust Bob Fenner and his crew 1000000 times more than I trust any no-named website. LiveAquaria has a reputation of providing wrong information from time to time. Most of the other sites you listed are just collections of information obtained from other places on the web.

Again, where was the personal attack? I don't get it. Were you asking for help/advice, or hoping someone wouldn't agree with you so you could pick a fight?

[jimbo78]

from the pages of the "fish bible" (or at least the closest thing to it) marine fishes by scott w michael. min tank size is 30.

i have seen that book suggested thousands of times here on the forum so i would assume it is a good source for info.

now you two can get back to your bickering

[jamest0o0]

IMO 30g is minimum, but I see where you are comming from. They can be territorial so if you were to keep it in a 30g it shouldn't be with many other fish if any.