some people are so cruel - Page 2

joeychitwood · 02/13/2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Sisterlimonpot
would it be that they don't care or they don't know?

Years ago, before the internet or forums such as RC, I had to rely on the "experts" at the LFS and the occasional marine fish book for information. The LFS guy was only too happy to sell me any fish that caught my eye for my 60 gallon FO tank, though at my peak, I had only 20% of the fish in my tank compared to the guy on youtube. However, today, there is no excuse for such ignorance.

JamesJR · 02/13/2009, 05:38 PM

seriously. There are just some people who shouldn't keep fish. I

chort55 · 02/13/2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by joeychitwood
However, today, there is no excuse for such ignorance.

My thoughts exactly!

SaltyTX · 02/13/2009, 05:45 PM

It says 200 liters (52 gallons) but measurments make it a 58 gallon tank, but its not full of water and its full of other stuff.

Po fishies, they look like a crosswalk in Japan all jammed in there

Sisterlimonpot · 02/13/2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by joeychitwood
today, there is no excuse for such ignorance.

yet there are still posts on RC that say that their fish are dying after 2 days of putting it in there tank after it's only been running for a week...

chort55 · 02/13/2009, 06:25 PM

.... or less

mmedeiros2 · 02/13/2009, 07:08 PM

This world is wacked out. We have thousands of people fighting and killing dogs. Wow. Can you imagine how many people could care less about fish? I would love to see M. Vick in a dark alley.

Whys · 02/13/2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by joeychitwood
today, there is no excuse for such ignorance.

+1 to that Doc.

Unfortunately, too many new hobbyists don't come to this site looking for answers until something has already gone terribly wrong. Every now and then I see someone post an embarrassed first post because they don't have an aquarium yet and feel like they don't actually belong here. I try to let them know that coming here FIRST is the best possible thing.

Whys · 02/13/2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by mmedeiros2
This world is wacked out. We have thousands of people fighting and killing dogs. Wow. Can you imagine how many people could care less about fish?

Too true. Fish don't rate very high on the Cute'N'Fuzzy scale of human empathy. Mollusks have it even worse. But what is one to do? People think if it's brain is smaller than a dog's then it doesn't actually suffer. I disagree with this perspective immensely, but the fish never speak up!

por2stylz · 02/13/2009, 08:46 PM

i thaught i was bad when i first started with only 1 blue hippo tang in a 40 gallon eclipse maybe he won the lottery but ne ways could be a little kid whos parents give him ne thing he wants but if not what a retard

mmedeiros2 · 02/13/2009, 08:50 PM

IMO a big problem is millions of children in this country are growing up without a chance from the start. I'm shure you see that. I think a lot more of our tax dollars should go toward after school programs for children that fall into this catagory. We are very fortunate that most of us that care have not grown up in poor surroundings that have nothing to show.
There is no question that anyone convicted of pocketing tax dollars should do a minimum of 50 years. But then again, if that penalty was held strong, we would prob. have very few polticians.

xJake · 02/13/2009, 09:46 PM

And you guys thought the first one was bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvunT...eature=related

BTW, the guy is from Malaysia. Reef fish there cost about as much as goldfish here. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he just went out and caught all the fish that are in his tank - Malaysia's coast is home to some of the largest coral reefs. Not that it excuses what he's doing, but one really has to understand that people from different cultures have different values.

An example I always like to use is the workers in South America cutting down the rainforest. They went from having nothing to owning a house and driving a car. Do you really think some foreigner telling them that it's "wrong" or that it's "harming the earth" is going to get them to stop? Likewise, when a fish costs a couple dollars at an ornamental fish market, do you really think he cares whether or not the animals are happy or healthy? He probably see's it as an affordable piece of decor rather than actual, living animals that have specific requirements for optimal health.

OrangeKoi · 02/13/2009, 10:46 PM

Ya, you're probably right. he'll probably sell them all.

What difference would it make if all the fish were one species?

VOD · 02/13/2009, 10:51 PM

Burn him on a stake BURN HIM!!!!!!!!

joeychitwood · 02/14/2009, 07:24 AM

You make some valid points, xJake.

gnorts · 02/14/2009, 09:39 AM

NOt that this is right, I have to agree with xjake. Values are different and among that some people views of a hobby are different. Personally my self and most here are in this hobby for the KEEPING of such amazing creatures. Making sure every move we make is for the better of the fishes health and creating the most "natural" ecosystem we can for them.

THEN theres the sad others who are just in it for the looks. Or when some one comes over they can say check out my gorgous tank! But what the company don't realize is that the fish in there are getting changed every week or 2 becuase of fatalities. THere just two different lifestyles and I bet this person who thinks his tank is awsome would be more understand if some one was able to sit down and explain to him about the fish and saltwater keeping.

just my .02

cfw1199 · 02/14/2009, 09:58 AM

I sure hope Liveaquaria doesn't get a shipment of beluga whales in. I know where one of them would be in short order!

teddy · 02/14/2009, 10:00 AM

I went to a restaurant at the Atlantis Hotel in Dubai last week. Sat right next to the massive aquarium they have there and was very perturbed to see what must have been at least a 5m long whale shark floating around at the top.

I spoke to the manager and told him he should be shot for having that in his tank and he tried to convince me that some fishermen had found it tangled in a net and that they had put it in the tank to recuperate and that they would let it out soon. Oh yeah

Maybe this Malaysian guy should apply for a job there.

Pulp Fishin · 02/14/2009, 04:31 PM

That reminds me of a trip to Bufflo NY and another reefer was looking at a yellow tang and asked" my 10gal tank if too small for him right"? The LFS guy held the tang up in a plastic bag next to a empty 10gal he had and replyed "there... look he will fit fine".

I almost died of shock, then almost died of laughter right after!

zooty · 02/14/2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by xJake
And you guys thought the first one was bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvunT...eature=related

BTW, the guy is from Malaysia. Reef fish there cost about as much as goldfish here. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he just went out and caught all the fish that are in his tank - Malaysia's coast is home to some of the largest coral reefs. Not that it excuses what he's doing, but one really has to understand that people from different cultures have different values.

An example I always like to use is the workers in South America cutting down the rainforest. They went from having nothing to owning a house and driving a car. Do you really think some foreigner telling them that it's "wrong" or that it's "harming the earth" is going to get them to stop? Likewise, when a fish costs a couple dollars at an ornamental fish market, do you really think he cares whether or not the animals are happy or healthy? He probably see's it as an affordable piece of decor rather than actual, living animals that have specific requirements for optimal health.

Nice, the Mike Vick defense

He doesn't know any better and it his culture its OK to abuse animals

xJake · 02/14/2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by zooty
Nice, the Mike Vick defense

He doesn't know any better and it his culture its OK to abuse animals

Obviously you must be illiterate, blind, or perhaps you just skimmed over my post and decided to take a cheap shot to boost your own ego. If you re-read my post you'll see the phrase, "Not that it excuses what he's doing..." In more simple terms, this means, "This is not any excuse or justification for what this person is doing..." That is, I'm against what he's doing and I am in no way "defending" his actions.

I'm simply trying to get people to understand where the guy is coming from and why he might think it's okay. I find your comment extremely insulting, so maybe you should try actually reading before you reply (if you even read at all)?

I accept that moral relativity exists everywhere, but that doesn't mean I think anyone's actions are justified by their differences in morality.

Whys · 02/15/2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by xJake
An example I always like to use is the workers in South America cutting down the rainforest. They went from having nothing to owning a house and driving a car. Do you really think some foreigner telling them that it's "wrong" or that it's "harming the earth" is going to get them to stop? Likewise, when a fish costs a couple dollars at an ornamental fish market, do you really think he cares whether or not the animals are happy or healthy? He probably see's it as an affordable piece of decor rather than actual, living animals that have specific requirements for optimal health.

Jake, I see what you are saying, but have to take issue all the same. What you are arguing is akin to moral relativism and affluence should not afford one less responsibility toward the world we all share. If the issue was poverty in the sense that one needed to eat endangered fish just to survive, then you have an argument for moral hierarchy. Instead, someone feels better because destroying the earth has made them affluent enough to not care about the true costs of what they are doing, and you would seemingly justify this under the label of "cultural difference". The native americans were impoverished and showed great respect to their natural world. Likewise, there are the rich who create things like the Sierra club. It's not about material wealth and culture does not excuse moral relativism. It's about self-absorbed narcissism vs. empathy and caring. Please don't make it out to be more trivial than it is.

RobNJ · 02/15/2009, 02:34 PM

the guy turned off comments on his video....

Adding comments has been disabled for this video.

PRDubois · 02/25/2009, 04:55 AM

Hang all of them,

Ranchhand02 · 02/25/2009, 01:33 PM

I tried to look at them and they said they had been removed by the user.

02/13/2009, 05:38 PM	#27
JamesJR Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,733	seriously. There are just some people who shouldn't keep fish. I __________________ Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber you go and do something like this....And totally redeem yourself! Current Tank Info: 20 gallon

02/13/2009, 07:08 PM	#32
mmedeiros2 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Dartmouth, Ma. Posts: 452	This world is wacked out. We have thousands of people fighting and killing dogs. Wow. Can you imagine how many people could care less about fish? I would love to see M. Vick in a dark alley. __________________ One must always be aware for the unexpected. Mike Current Tank Info: 75 gal. / Sump / Skimmer / 65 Lbs. LR / 2 Cleaner Shrimp / Firefish / Bangi Cardinal / Pearly Jawfish / 3 - Yellow Clown Gobies / Yellow Wrasse / Hermits

02/13/2009, 08:46 PM	#35
por2stylz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: toronto ontario canada Posts: 47	ouch i thaught i was bad when i first started with only 1 blue hippo tang in a 40 gallon eclipse maybe he won the lottery but ne ways could be a little kid whos parents give him ne thing he wants but if not what a retard

02/13/2009, 08:50 PM	#36
mmedeiros2 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Dartmouth, Ma. Posts: 452	IMO a big problem is millions of children in this country are growing up without a chance from the start. I'm shure you see that. I think a lot more of our tax dollars should go toward after school programs for children that fall into this catagory. We are very fortunate that most of us that care have not grown up in poor surroundings that have nothing to show. There is no question that anyone convicted of pocketing tax dollars should do a minimum of 50 years. But then again, if that penalty was held strong, we would prob. have very few polticians. __________________ One must always be aware for the unexpected. Mike Current Tank Info: 75 gal. / Sump / Skimmer / 65 Lbs. LR / 2 Cleaner Shrimp / Firefish / Bangi Cardinal / Pearly Jawfish / 3 - Yellow Clown Gobies / Yellow Wrasse / Hermits

02/13/2009, 09:46 PM	#37
xJake Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,385	And you guys thought the first one was bad... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvunT...eature=related BTW, the guy is from Malaysia. Reef fish there cost about as much as goldfish here. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he just went out and caught all the fish that are in his tank - Malaysia's coast is home to some of the largest coral reefs. Not that it excuses what he's doing, but one really has to understand that people from different cultures have different values. An example I always like to use is the workers in South America cutting down the rainforest. They went from having nothing to owning a house and driving a car. Do you really think some foreigner telling them that it's "wrong" or that it's "harming the earth" is going to get them to stop? Likewise, when a fish costs a couple dollars at an ornamental fish market, do you really think he cares whether or not the animals are happy or healthy? He probably see's it as an affordable piece of decor rather than actual, living animals that have specific requirements for optimal health. Last edited by xJake; 02/13/2009 at 09:59 PM.

02/13/2009, 05:45 PM	#29
SaltyTX Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC for now.. Posts: 155	It says 200 liters (52 gallons) but measurments make it a 58 gallon tank, but its not full of water and its full of other stuff. Po fishies, they look like a crosswalk in Japan all jammed in there

02/13/2009, 06:25 PM	#31
chort55 Moved On Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Flint, MI Posts: 1,274	.... or less

02/13/2009, 10:46 PM	#38
OrangeKoi Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Va Posts: 556	Ya, you're probably right. he'll probably sell them all. What difference would it make if all the fish were one species?

02/13/2009, 10:51 PM	#39
VOD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Mateo,CA Posts: 160	Burn him on a stake BURN HIM!!!!!!!! __________________ Every human being, of whatever origin, of whatever station, deserves respect. We must each respect others even as we respect ourselves. Current Tank Info: RED SEA MAX 34G

02/14/2009, 07:24 AM	#40
joeychitwood Schrödinger's Mod Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 3,488	You make some valid points, xJake.

02/14/2009, 09:39 AM	#41
gnorts Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 308	NOt that this is right, I have to agree with xjake. Values are different and among that some people views of a hobby are different. Personally my self and most here are in this hobby for the KEEPING of such amazing creatures. Making sure every move we make is for the better of the fishes health and creating the most "natural" ecosystem we can for them. THEN theres the sad others who are just in it for the looks. Or when some one comes over they can say check out my gorgous tank! But what the company don't realize is that the fish in there are getting changed every week or 2 becuase of fatalities. THere just two different lifestyles and I bet this person who thinks his tank is awsome would be more understand if some one was able to sit down and explain to him about the fish and saltwater keeping. just my .02

02/14/2009, 09:58 AM	#42
cfw1199 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colonial Heights, Virginia Posts: 560	I sure hope Liveaquaria doesn't get a shipment of beluga whales in. I know where one of them would be in short order!

02/14/2009, 10:00 AM	#43
teddy Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 51	I went to a restaurant at the Atlantis Hotel in Dubai last week. Sat right next to the massive aquarium they have there and was very perturbed to see what must have been at least a 5m long whale shark floating around at the top. I spoke to the manager and told him he should be shot for having that in his tank and he tried to convince me that some fishermen had found it tangled in a net and that they had put it in the tank to recuperate and that they would let it out soon. Oh yeah Maybe this Malaysian guy should apply for a job there.

02/14/2009, 04:31 PM	#44
Pulp Fishin Were all mad here. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London Ontario Canada Posts: 608	That reminds me of a trip to Bufflo NY and another reefer was looking at a yellow tang and asked" my 10gal tank if too small for him right"? The LFS guy held the tang up in a plastic bag next to a empty 10gal he had and replyed "there... look he will fit fine". I almost died of shock, then almost died of laughter right after! __________________ Reef Central Corner Club Aquarium Dumpster Diver Extraordinaire Money talks, mine says "Good-Bye" Current Tank Info: RIP:60g Pentagon Reef 100lbs LR 20g Sump Deltec Mce 600 Mag 750 250W Metal Halide & 2x39W T5's Phosban ReactorX2 5gal refugium 36xTO RIP:135G FOWLER /Agressive

02/15/2009, 02:34 PM	#48
RobNJ Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hasbrouck Heights, NJ Posts: 945	the guy turned off comments on his video.... Adding comments has been disabled for this video.

02/25/2009, 04:55 AM	#49
PRDubois Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chester, VA Posts: 3,626	Hang all of them, __________________ http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2534403 Current Tank Info: 225 gal Reef, 60 gal reef & 40b frag tank

02/25/2009, 01:33 PM	#50
Ranchhand02 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 532	I tried to look at them and they said they had been removed by the user.