Lee Mar rimless max tank height - Page 2

bullitr · 04/30/2010, 12:18 AM

if you really want a taller tank then get a 3/4' thick glass but it will cost you

vdubfiend · 04/30/2010, 09:33 AM

Starphire (cost)
¼” $4/sq ft
3/8” $7.75/ sq ft
½” $9.75/ sq ft
¾” $34.75/ sq ft

puggsli1 · 04/30/2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solitude127

IMO, Eurobracing is not bad at all. I have a leemar Eurobraced tank and the Eurobracing in only a 4" piece of glass around the top. It also helps keep the water in when it's get sloshed around from cleaning or earthquakes. JMO though

Solitude do you have any pictures of your tanks Eurobracing.

puggsli1 · 04/30/2010, 02:39 PM

Question Is it a pain in the butt to keep the under side of the Eurobracing clean from salt creep? and does Eurobracing affect a hanging light from from entering on the sides where the bracing is?

solitude127 · 04/30/2010, 03:10 PM

Here's the closest I have.

solitude127 · 04/30/2010, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puggsli1

Question Is it a pain in the butt to keep the under side of the Eurobracing clean from salt creep? and does Eurobracing affect a hanging light from from entering on the sides where the bracing is?

Honestly, I don't even notice. I know that there is no salt creep on there though. I usually stays moist.

818 · 04/30/2010, 05:07 PM

You can make a rimless tank 50" or 100" tall if you want... its all in the thickness of the glass.

3-5" glass is not in a lot of peoples budget anyway... just sayin'.

818 · 04/30/2010, 05:09 PM

Bobby(vdubfiend) is the man.. I used to get all my glass from him.. good stuff!

Whats up Bobby! How are the pitts! Send me pics man

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 11:01 AM

Well i have decided to go with the rimless 20" high but i have a question about the bulkhead placement in the trapezoid overflow. The plan is to have (2) 1.5" drains and (1) 1" return split to (2) 3/4" bulkheads connected to lock tight one on each side right under the overflow teeth. So here is my question should all the bulkheads be drilled in the center of the overflow like this drain, return, drain, or should I have the 2 drains up front and return in the center behind them or return up front and the drains behind it? which one would be the best way?

Rennsport · 05/12/2010, 01:33 PM

The Lee Mar rimless I ended up having them make for me measures 60"x18"x20" Tall. 1/2" Starphire. Like mentioned above, they wont go taller. Other factors to this height limit is the depth (Front pane to back) and of course the length.

Here is an image from January 2010

Then a little later:

I have a build thread as well.

solitude127 · 05/12/2010, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puggsli1

Well i have decided to go with the rimless 20" high but i have a question about the bulkhead placement in the trapezoid overflow. The plan is to have (2) 1.5" drains and (1) 1" return split to (2) 3/4" bulkheads connected to lock tight one on each side right under the overflow teeth. So here is my question should all the bulkheads be drilled in the center of the overflow like this drain, return, drain, or should I have the 2 drains up front and return in the center behind them or return up front and the drains behind it? which one would be the best way?

Why do you need 2 - 1.5" drains? If the other is for backup, what kind of pump did you decide to go with? What were the final dimensions of the tank?

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solitude127

Why do you need 2 - 1.5" drains? If the other is for backup, what kind of pump did you decide to go with? What were the final dimensions of the tank?

Final dimensions are 48x24x20, the return pump is eheim 1262. The reason for 1.5" for the emergency drain is to be safe and not have the tank overflow if the main drain gets plugged up.

jefathome · 05/12/2010, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puggsli1

No i have not called Lee Mar yet. how many times have you seen a failure in a rimless tank that was built with out euro bracing?

I saw one in my living room about 2 months ago.

48x20x30high; 1/2in glass

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 02:38 PM

Solitude I guess i could use a 1" emergency drain since it has worked great for you with the same pump but i'm just paranoid of a flood.

solitude127 · 05/12/2010, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puggsli1

Solitude I guess i could use a 1" emergency drain since it has worked great for you with the same pump but i'm just paranoid of a flood.

I'm using the same pump as you for my 60x30x20 and I have 1.5" drain and a 1" emergency drain. I'm using the Herbie method to quiet down the flow and when I was testing, I closed my valve completely for my main drain to see if the 1" could handle it and it did with no problem. For my tank, after the head loss, I'm pushing about 600gph through that pump. If you have the real estate for your overflow box to handle the 2 - 1.5" drains that it's better to be safe than sorry.

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 02:45 PM

jefathome i have spoken to Lee Mar a few times. They informed me 20" is hight was max for a rimless unless i went to 3/4 glass over 1/2.

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 02:54 PM

Solitude i when i called Lee Mar and asked about the size of the trapezoid overflow for a 48" long tank i was told 14" back x 8" sides x 6" front. It should fit the 1.5" fine and i also drew it up with google sketch up.

solitude127 · 05/12/2010, 03:04 PM

Cool. Good luck with the build. Don't forget to post picture.

puggsli1 · 05/12/2010, 03:18 PM

Oh i will, but i need to figure out if i want the drains in the back with return up front in the middle or the drains up front with return in the back middle.

solitude127 · 05/12/2010, 04:20 PM

If it helps, I only have 1 - 1" return. My flow is from 2 vortechs.

nrike · 05/12/2010, 07:18 PM

They do make 24" tall tanks. I got a 48x24x24 starphire LeeMar Rimless. I went to a couple of Lfs and almost everyone said that they dont make 24'' tall ,then i went to carson tropical and he gave the best price.

Kataro · 05/15/2010, 10:24 AM

tried to get a 24" made 3 weeks ago, but they would only do 20" for me =(

discus510 · 05/25/2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puggsli1

This was one email I received
48 x 24 x 24 Euro tank
starfire front
starfire both sides
3 sided trapezoid overflow
5 holes total
black back

48 x 24 x 24 Euro tank
starfire front
3 sided trapezoid overflow
5 holes total
black back

48 x 24 x 20 Euro tank
rimless and braceless
starfire front
starfire both sides
3 sided trapezoid overflow
5 holes total
black back

48 x 24 x 20 Euro tank
rimless and braceless
starfire front
3 sided trapezoid overflow
5 holes total
black back

if u dont mind me askin wat was the price they quoted u for?? and was wonderin is it from LA we mite be able to schedule a pickup together if tats cool with u im able to get a 48 x 36 x 24 front and 2 side low iron glass center over flow with 3 hole 1 1.5 for drain 2 3/4 for return price 834 euro braced (was about to do rimless) but decided not to cuz im not goin to spend 3k on a giesemann fixture =) was wondering wats the 5 hole for??

discus510 · 05/25/2010, 11:04 AM

haha nvm about the pickup part just saw ur from so cal

MrSandman · 05/25/2010, 02:21 PM

A few years ago Leemar made my Starphire tank (36"x24"x22") which is 22" tall. This is slightly under 90G. However, when i recently asked Ali to quote me on a newer and larger tank (36"x36"x24") he said that the highest they would go is 20". So it appears that their policy has changed. I wonder if its due to some failures.

Anyways, i'm still quite surprised that they would limit the height at 20", however, the horizontal span is allowed to go 48" or even 60" as posted above. At 60" length rimless, that front pane must be showing some deflection. I'm sure that if someone ran the numbers, the amount of flex due to a 60" long (and 20" tall) rimless is greater than a 24" tall rimless over a much shorter length (i.e. 36"). If somebody knew what the modulus is of starphire glass, i (or someone else) could come up with some numbers. Then again, any reputable tank manufacturer should be running these numbers and have this all in some excel spreadsheet.

04/30/2010, 12:18 AM	#26
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	if you really want a taller tank then get a 3/4' thick glass but it will cost you __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

04/30/2010, 03:10 PM	#30
solitude127 Proud user of IO Salt! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 9,136	Here's the closest I have. __________________ Mike <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012 Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011 Current Tank Info: 603020, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1 Last edited by solitude127; 04/05/2011 at 12:30 PM.

04/30/2010, 05:07 PM	#32
818 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,759	You can make a rimless tank 50" or 100" tall if you want... its all in the thickness of the glass. 3-5" glass is not in a lot of peoples budget anyway... just sayin'. __________________ I'll be back.

04/30/2010, 05:09 PM	#33
818 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,759	Bobby(vdubfiend) is the man.. I used to get all my glass from him.. good stuff! Whats up Bobby! How are the pitts! Send me pics man __________________ I'll be back.

05/12/2010, 01:33 PM	#35
Rennsport Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 284	The Lee Mar rimless I ended up having them make for me measures 60"x18"x20" Tall. 1/2" Starphire. Like mentioned above, they wont go taller. Other factors to this height limit is the depth (Front pane to back) and of course the length. Here is an image from January 2010 Then a little later: I have a build thread as well. __________________ I Survived the Great Reef Central Black Out Of 2009! Best regards, Chris

04/30/2010, 09:33 AM	#27
vdubfiend Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,195	Starphire (cost) ¼” $4/sq ft 3/8” $7.75/ sq ft ½” $9.75/ sq ft ¾” $34.75/ sq ft

04/30/2010, 02:39 PM	#29
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	Question Is it a pain in the butt to keep the under side of the Eurobracing clean from salt creep? and does Eurobracing affect a hanging light from from entering on the sides where the bracing is?

05/12/2010, 11:01 AM	#34
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	Well i have decided to go with the rimless 20" high but i have a question about the bulkhead placement in the trapezoid overflow. The plan is to have (2) 1.5" drains and (1) 1" return split to (2) 3/4" bulkheads connected to lock tight one on each side right under the overflow teeth. So here is my question should all the bulkheads be drilled in the center of the overflow like this drain, return, drain, or should I have the 2 drains up front and return in the center behind them or return up front and the drains behind it? which one would be the best way?

05/12/2010, 02:38 PM	#39
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	Solitude I guess i could use a 1" emergency drain since it has worked great for you with the same pump but i'm just paranoid of a flood.

05/12/2010, 02:45 PM	#41
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	jefathome i have spoken to Lee Mar a few times. They informed me 20" is hight was max for a rimless unless i went to 3/4 glass over 1/2. Last edited by puggsli1; 05/12/2010 at 03:20 PM.

05/12/2010, 02:54 PM	#42
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	Solitude i when i called Lee Mar and asked about the size of the trapezoid overflow for a 48" long tank i was told 14" back x 8" sides x 6" front. It should fit the 1.5" fine and i also drew it up with google sketch up.

05/12/2010, 03:04 PM	#43
solitude127 Proud user of IO Salt! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 9,136	Cool. Good luck with the build. Don't forget to post picture. __________________ Mike <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012 Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011 Current Tank Info: 603020, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1

05/12/2010, 03:18 PM	#44
puggsli1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 201	Oh i will, but i need to figure out if i want the drains in the back with return up front in the middle or the drains up front with return in the back middle.

05/12/2010, 04:20 PM	#45
solitude127 Proud user of IO Salt! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 9,136	If it helps, I only have 1 - 1" return. My flow is from 2 vortechs. __________________ Mike <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ <)))>{ ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012 Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011 Current Tank Info: 603020, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1

05/12/2010, 07:18 PM	#46
nrike Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: cerritos ca Posts: 432	They do make 24" tall tanks. I got a 48x24x24 starphire LeeMar Rimless. I went to a couple of Lfs and almost everyone said that they dont make 24'' tall ,then i went to carson tropical and he gave the best price.

05/15/2010, 10:24 AM	#47
Kataro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 2,258	tried to get a 24" made 3 weeks ago, but they would only do 20" for me =(

05/25/2010, 11:04 AM	#49
discus510 Moved On Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 803	haha nvm about the pickup part just saw ur from so cal

05/25/2010, 02:21 PM	#50
MrSandman Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South Bay, So. Cal. Posts: 5,408 Blog Entries: 6	A few years ago Leemar made my Starphire tank (36"x24"x22") which is 22" tall. This is slightly under 90G. However, when i recently asked Ali to quote me on a newer and larger tank (36"x36"x24") he said that the highest they would go is 20". So it appears that their policy has changed. I wonder if its due to some failures. Anyways, i'm still quite surprised that they would limit the height at 20", however, the horizontal span is allowed to go 48" or even 60" as posted above. At 60" length rimless, that front pane must be showing some deflection. I'm sure that if someone ran the numbers, the amount of flex due to a 60" long (and 20" tall) rimless is greater than a 24" tall rimless over a much shorter length (i.e. 36"). If somebody knew what the modulus is of starphire glass, i (or someone else) could come up with some numbers. Then again, any reputable tank manufacturer should be running these numbers and have this all in some excel spreadsheet. __________________ June 2001 Tank of the Month. Yes, i said 2001. Current Tank Info: 112G 36"x36"x20" Lee-mar rimless. Build Thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2293182.

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