Is it feasible to superglue gsp to turbosnail? - Page 2

chewey · 07/11/2010, 01:18 AM

Animal cruelty! but hilarious stuff.... I might be tempted to glue a clove onto a snail for laughes.. just hope the clove don't grow crazy and end up killing the snail.

Jstdv8 · 07/11/2010, 01:51 AM

ok here is the kenya crab

vikubz · 07/11/2010, 03:38 AM

Had a cerith snail with a small mushroom on it. The shroom got about the size of a quarter before it decided to find a new locale. Sort of a snail parasol.

Ston3 · 07/11/2010, 08:20 AM

Lol awesome urchin and crab. I guess it's not so cruel after all. It may get a little heavy for the snail, but I'm sure he'll deal with it.

TheDean · 07/11/2010, 08:23 AM

I have a snail that I got in a CUC pack, and it has a 3 invch frag of some sort of digitata on it's back. It grows and he slows...

noahm · 07/11/2010, 09:14 AM

This stuff happens in nature all the time. It can hardly be called cruelty. It could definitely be taken too far though. Cool Kenya crab btw.

Drewbaby · 07/11/2010, 09:50 AM

Yea it's one of those unique things most people don't see becuase it doesn't happen alot in aquariums. I had a turbo snail with a small patch of pom pom xenia on it's back for 6 months. The xenia got the short end of the stick because the snail liked the underside of my rocks more than the top. The xenia would grow then shrink off and on until my sally lightfoot crab ate my turbo. He killed half my CUC and was relocated to the lfs.

As far as the gsp on the snail they should be fine. If it starts to overgrow the snail just frag it and glue the frag to another snail. You can start a colony of gsp snails lol

kakalakasha · 07/11/2010, 11:00 AM

I had a hermit crab with some yellow polyps on it, but the problem is when the crab outgrows the shell and drops it somewhere that you can't find it.

Levito · 07/11/2010, 11:33 AM

I had a turbo snail that started growing some halmedia on it's shell shortly after I got it (I had no halmedia in the tank before that, so I assume it came with him). It grew to a couple of inches before my emerald got to it. Never thought of coral attaching to a snail though.
The Kenya crab is awesome.

Dragonist · 07/11/2010, 11:52 AM

we are aiding in they survival...giving camo

the_real_brian · 07/11/2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawmanRob

My Tuxedo urchin has been caring around a small piece of GSP for the last four months.

Mine's been carrying around clove polyps for as long as I can remember.

Jstdv8 · 07/11/2010, 12:28 PM

That kenya tree is still growing, it got left in the back corner under a ledge when the crab grew out of his shell but the tree is still doing good. It was pretty funny to watch him when he was up on top of the rocks in the flow and the kenya was fully extended. it's gotta be like a big sail up there. Never saw him lose his grip though. He probably had legs like popeye

jb61264 · 07/11/2010, 01:00 PM

why don't you just buy a staghorn hermit crab...gluing gsp to a snail?...sorry, ridiculous

Ston3 · 07/11/2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb61264

why don't you just buy a staghorn hermit crab...gluing gsp to a snail?...sorry, ridiculous

Hmm let me think about it, pay $20 for a staghorn crab or make my own free gsp snail What's ridiculous now?

Lol gsp snail army would be awesome.

Rebel · 07/11/2010, 02:45 PM

It may be ridiculous--or it may not. That is a rather loose value judgment and not really relevant. However, you asked if it was cruel. That is a different proposition and not as loosely relegated to opinion.

Does it happen in nature? Yes, though I am sure it happens very rarely if at all with GSP--they grow too slowly to randomly attach that way, I would think. Nonetheless, if it does happen it is random and certainly not intended. The comparison to an urchin is irrelevant--the urchin decorates itself intentionally with whatever it can find. It is part of its natural behavior and camouflage. That is not the case with a turbo snail or a traditional hermit.

But still it happens in nature, so is it cruel if we mimic the case? Maybe. It also happens in nature that predators kill the mothers of young, and those young eventually perish because they are not able to support themselves. If we were to mimic this, saying it happens in nature, would it still be regarded as cruel? I think so. So just because it happens in nature does not mean that we should make it happen in our tanks.

Would it inhibit the snail? Maybe not at first, but eventually the extra bulk may change the snail's natural behavior. And certainly if left unchecked it could continue to grow until it immobilized the snail. Would it harm the GSP? Depending on where the snail were to crawl and what it would bump into, it could cause damage (more likely irritation) to the GSP, inhibiting its natural growth.

Would it be cool? Perhaps, but that again is a value judgment--one that you will have to weigh for yourself against the less-than-natural circumstance you create by doing it.

As for the post that "it's only a snail and GSP," I don't know how to respond to that mindlessness.

07/11/2010, 08:23 AM	#30
TheDean Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The State of Denial... Posts: 767	I have a snail that I got in a CUC pack, and it has a 3 invch frag of some sort of digitata on it's back. It grows and he slows... __________________ Thank your Mods, they do more than you'd expect... Current Tank Info: 57 Rimless-T5 8x39-Need more flow!!!

07/11/2010, 01:00 PM	#38
jb61264 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,112	why don't you just buy a staghorn hermit crab...gluing gsp to a snail?...sorry, ridiculous __________________ In the end (and the begining) we're all just stardust anyway... Current Tank Info: 75 gallon SPS reef/55 gallon sump/6x54W TEK T5HO/Reef Octopus 200 Extreme Skimmer/Reef Octopus Single Chamber Calcium Reactor/RKL

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07/11/2010, 01:18 AM	#26
chewey Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: good o' sunny cal Posts: 336	Animal cruelty! but hilarious stuff.... I might be tempted to glue a clove onto a snail for laughes.. just hope the clove don't grow crazy and end up killing the snail.

07/11/2010, 03:38 AM	#28
vikubz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cedar Falls, IA Posts: 599	Had a cerith snail with a small mushroom on it. The shroom got about the size of a quarter before it decided to find a new locale. Sort of a snail parasol.

07/11/2010, 08:20 AM	#29
Ston3 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 330	Lol awesome urchin and crab. I guess it's not so cruel after all. It may get a little heavy for the snail, but I'm sure he'll deal with it.

07/11/2010, 09:14 AM	#31
noahm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,736	This stuff happens in nature all the time. It can hardly be called cruelty. It could definitely be taken too far though. Cool Kenya crab btw.

07/11/2010, 09:50 AM	#32
Drewbaby Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL Posts: 874	Yea it's one of those unique things most people don't see becuase it doesn't happen alot in aquariums. I had a turbo snail with a small patch of pom pom xenia on it's back for 6 months. The xenia got the short end of the stick because the snail liked the underside of my rocks more than the top. The xenia would grow then shrink off and on until my sally lightfoot crab ate my turbo. He killed half my CUC and was relocated to the lfs. As far as the gsp on the snail they should be fine. If it starts to overgrow the snail just frag it and glue the frag to another snail. You can start a colony of gsp snails lol

07/11/2010, 11:00 AM	#33
kakalakasha FSU Undergrad Join Date: May 2008 Location: Largo, Florida Posts: 544	I had a hermit crab with some yellow polyps on it, but the problem is when the crab outgrows the shell and drops it somewhere that you can't find it.

07/11/2010, 11:33 AM	#34
Levito Moved On Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 290	I had a turbo snail that started growing some halmedia on it's shell shortly after I got it (I had no halmedia in the tank before that, so I assume it came with him). It grew to a couple of inches before my emerald got to it. Never thought of coral attaching to a snail though. The Kenya crab is awesome.

07/11/2010, 11:52 AM	#35
Dragonist Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 36	we are aiding in they survival...giving camo

07/11/2010, 12:28 PM	#37
Jstdv8 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wasilla, Alaska Posts: 1,420	That kenya tree is still growing, it got left in the back corner under a ledge when the crab grew out of his shell but the tree is still doing good. It was pretty funny to watch him when he was up on top of the rocks in the flow and the kenya was fully extended. it's gotta be like a big sail up there. Never saw him lose his grip though. He probably had legs like popeye

07/11/2010, 02:45 PM	#40
Rebel Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 716	It may be ridiculous--or it may not. That is a rather loose value judgment and not really relevant. However, you asked if it was cruel. That is a different proposition and not as loosely relegated to opinion. Does it happen in nature? Yes, though I am sure it happens very rarely if at all with GSP--they grow too slowly to randomly attach that way, I would think. Nonetheless, if it does happen it is random and certainly not intended. The comparison to an urchin is irrelevant--the urchin decorates itself intentionally with whatever it can find. It is part of its natural behavior and camouflage. That is not the case with a turbo snail or a traditional hermit. But still it happens in nature, so is it cruel if we mimic the case? Maybe. It also happens in nature that predators kill the mothers of young, and those young eventually perish because they are not able to support themselves. If we were to mimic this, saying it happens in nature, would it still be regarded as cruel? I think so. So just because it happens in nature does not mean that we should make it happen in our tanks. Would it inhibit the snail? Maybe not at first, but eventually the extra bulk may change the snail's natural behavior. And certainly if left unchecked it could continue to grow until it immobilized the snail. Would it harm the GSP? Depending on where the snail were to crawl and what it would bump into, it could cause damage (more likely irritation) to the GSP, inhibiting its natural growth. Would it be cool? Perhaps, but that again is a value judgment--one that you will have to weigh for yourself against the less-than-natural circumstance you create by doing it. As for the post that "it's only a snail and GSP," I don't know how to respond to that mindlessness.