new show on Animal Planet called TANKED!!

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by lordofthereef

Apologies. I was using the "universal you" here, not trying to single you out. Fact of the matter is this hobby is a destructive one. For every healthy specimen in a tank dozens had to die for it to get there. Nobody in this hobby is truly in it for the love of the animals, etc. etc (unless perhaps they are buying only tank bred/cultivated organisms). As I mentioned, the people in the show do seem to truly care about their livestock. Every single person they built tanks for had multiple other beautiful tanks in their house and/or business. To state that they are just buying animals letting them croak is a giant assumption on anyone's part. Unless I am mistaken, the guy that got the $30k quarantine unit mentioned he was in the hobby for 10+ years. I would love to see a tank that is unhealthy but still looks beautiful due only to the virtue of money being dumped in. I have certainly seen tanks with lots of money being dumped in them, but if they were unhealthy, never did that money make them look good.

NP, and I aggree 100% that our hobby is a destructive one. If the show re-air's pay attention to the guy w/ the $30K quarantine unit. IIRC he set that up because his tank crashed or had been losing fish constantly (don't remember exactly what they said). Think about it this way, have you bought a fish or coral that did fine for a week or so and then all of a sudden started to decline for some reason or another. Now imagine that on a larger scale. IMO a healthy tank is one that everything is doing well. I have seen tanks where certain corals or fish just did not survive but people kept putting new ones in there as they died off. To me that is an unhealthy ecosystem.

[lordofthereef]

Originally Posted by Kaos

I don't know if I would say half but yes there are a lot of rich people here. Out of those most are the exception. Since they are here they probably do care about their tanks more than just a decoration.

I am just curious what sorts of statistics you base these conclusions off of? Or are they all purely personal opinion? "Most rich guys don't care about their livestock" is a pretty bold accusation IMO.

[lordofthereef]

Originally Posted by Kaos

I have seen tanks where certain corals or fish just did not survive but people kept putting new ones in there as they died off. To me that is an unhealthy ecosystem.

I have certainly seen this, but this isn't rich man syndrome, this is uninformed syndrome. There are those, I am sure, making $10 an hour that do this very thing. "Oops, my fish died. Let's replace it". Hell, I was guilty when I first started this hobby about 7 years ago. LFS told me "it happens" and I kept on truckin'. At the time I was a high school kid making minimum wage I am sure.

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by elegance coral

They were setting up a $30,000 quarantine system. That doesn't sound like someone that's going to simply let their fish die. It appeared, at least to me, that these people cared a great deal for the pets they have. Just because they're rich, doesn't mean they're evil and like to watch animals die.

IIRC they were setting that system up because the guy was losing fish or his tank had crashed due to introducing unhealthy specimens. One thing that bothered me about that guy and reinforced me thinking they were decoration was when the they were picking out the fish for that tank at the wholesaler. It seem like they were just randomly picking fish and did not have a list from the owner. Who here, that cared about their tank and it's inhabitants, would just let someone pick out the stock? That seems the same as an interior designer thing to me......

[lordofthereef]

If they knew what they were doing and I had the money to pay them to maintain it, sure, let them pick the fish. Yes, disease was introduced. So... when we introduce disease in our systems, what is the first step we take? We quarantine, right? To me, it seems they are doing the right thing here.

Again, the introduced fish without quarantining, and had problems. That isn't a rich guy only mistake. I would venture to guess that the majority of people in the hobby don't quarantine.

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by lordofthereef

If they knew what they were doing and I had the money to pay them to maintain it, sure, let them pick the fish. Yes, disease was introduced. So... when we introduce disease in our systems, what is the first step we take? We quarantine, right? To me, it seems they are doing the right thing here.

Again, the introduced fish without quarantining, and had problems. That isn't a rich guy only mistake. I would venture to guess that the majority of people in the hobby don't quarantine.

I am done helping you pad your post count. Obviously you are not budging from your opinion and I am wasting my time.

[lordofthereef]

I am always willing to budge from my opinion if you provide some form of evidence, but you seem stuck on the opinion that "most rich people don't care about their livestock" without backing it up at all. Nothing you have said is evidence that anyone on this show is not caring about their livestock.

[elegance coral]

Originally Posted by Kaos

IIRC they were setting that system up because the guy was losing fish or his tank had crashed due to introducing unhealthy specimens. One thing that bothered me about that guy and reinforced me thinking they were decoration was when the they were picking out the fish for that tank at the wholesaler. It seem like they were just randomly picking fish and did not have a list from the owner. Who here, that cared about their tank and it's inhabitants, would just let someone pick out the stock? That seems the same as an interior designer thing to me......

They purchased fish and put them in their tank. In doing so, and in their ignorance, they introduced a parasite, or sickness. People that don't care, would simply buy more fish to replace those that died. That's not what these people did. They designed, and had someone build and install, a $30,000 quarantine system. This is what people do when they care about their animals and don't want them to die. I don't know of any hobbyist that hasn't made the same mistake these people did. These people actually learned from their mistake, and took steps to insure that it doesn't happen again. Which is more than I can say for many hobbyists.

[that Fish Guy]

They did a Sneak Peek release of Tanked. I saw it last week. It is still scheduled for August 19th on Animal Planet.

This is a much better show for the average reefer.

http://************.com/2011/07/27/fishtales-tv-show/

But it is on Australian TV so I do not know if we will be able to get it.


Here are some articles and videos about Tanked from that same site.

http://************.com/2011/07/06/tanked-tv-show/

http://************.com/2011/07/15/a...planet-tanked/

http://************.com/2011/07/16/tanked-tv-show-2/

[Charley Diesing]

This show looks so stupid... Thank God I don't have cable because I would totally watch it. :P

[fishchef]

Oh, I just have to chime in. It was mentioned that many fish, etc. have to die for us to have one on display. I enjoy the beauty of my tank. However this show is going to ruin the hobby as did shows like Top Chef did to my profession. Also, if you saw how many fish, etc. die to fill our stomachs its nothing. Its all a show to someone.

[thelizardkin]

that shark tank was horrible way to small for orv sharks and way overstocked it also had coldwater and tropical sharks and look at this vid by them http://animal.discovery.com/videos/t...ater-fish.html

[jebbydawg]

I'm a multi-millionaire and have a few pets - although not currently fish - but I have in the past. I can tell you, my reason for having pets has nothing to do with displaying or abusing my wealth. Moreover, I didn't get to be 'rich' by wasting my money. I'm not suggesting no one of means wastes their money, but the vast majority of people considered to be 'rich' do not. Those that do, often find themselves no longer 'rich' later in life. Food for thought.

[Curious George]

I've seen the Kardashians. I know what you "Rich" people do. You and your money.....