Clown Died - Page 2

lordofthereef · 10/03/2011, 01:22 AM

Yes we are talking about lfs. As I said the time between a car ride from your lfs to home, unless you ate driving for hours, likely isn't going to cause your water to be drastically depleted in oxygen. We are talking about an hour or so in bag are we not? Even if oxygen were an issue ammonia certainly shouldn't be in that amount of time.

Not trying to argue here just saying that I don't believe the hype regarding a fish dieing from ammonia toxicity following a short car ride and "too long" an acclimation.

tokendog · 10/03/2011, 08:11 AM

The only way to know if something is wrong with the tank or the previous fish is to add another fish of the exact same type. If it survives, then the tank would be more likely to be OK and it was most likely the previous fish.

Now this is a bad idea in the regards that the new fish may die too and that would be cruel - but in terms of finding out what went wrong, the process of elimination is one of the best methods of doing so.

You've eliminated ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and it seems your PH is in range. I do not recall your temps. If those are stable, then that isn't an issue.

If you are following the acclimation process and giving the fish time to adjust, and the fish isn't left in the bag too long, you're eliminated those as likely suspects.

At this point something is either in the tank or was wrong with the fish. Another fish is the only way to see were the source of the problem is.

Now whether or not that is something you want to risk is up to you. Also, if you change any steps that you took previously (without knowing if it was right or wrong) that changes the entire equation and you will really never know what killed it. The tank or the fish's health.

Not recommending you sacrifice another fish to find out, but if all of your parameters are good, stuff is already living in the tank, and you followed the acclimation process, it should fine and you should be able to have a fish in that tank. Alive.

abmorris · 10/03/2011, 08:54 PM

My wife works with an experienced reefer and she explained the symptons. He seems to think it was lack of oxygen. I have adjusted my returns to create more agitation with the surface and will try another fish this weekend. I checked my levels again tonight for grins and everything looks good.
Amonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0
PH 8.2
Alkalinity 4

Also there was a small hitchhiker mushroom that was growing, but now has gotten even bigger just after 2 days of the return adjustment.

Thanks for everyone's comments.

Fish Biscuit · 10/04/2011, 02:53 PM

I have a 12g nano & I keep the lid open a few inches while I'm at the office. When I leave for the day I take a clip & keep the lid cracked open about an inch. I have a goby & blenny that I don't want carpet surfing at night, otherwise I'd chuck the lid all together.

10/03/2011, 01:22 AM	#26
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10/03/2011, 08:11 AM	#27
tokendog Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 21	The only way to know if something is wrong with the tank or the previous fish is to add another fish of the exact same type. If it survives, then the tank would be more likely to be OK and it was most likely the previous fish. Now this is a bad idea in the regards that the new fish may die too and that would be cruel - but in terms of finding out what went wrong, the process of elimination is one of the best methods of doing so. You've eliminated ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and it seems your PH is in range. I do not recall your temps. If those are stable, then that isn't an issue. If you are following the acclimation process and giving the fish time to adjust, and the fish isn't left in the bag too long, you're eliminated those as likely suspects. At this point something is either in the tank or was wrong with the fish. Another fish is the only way to see were the source of the problem is. Now whether or not that is something you want to risk is up to you. Also, if you change any steps that you took previously (without knowing if it was right or wrong) that changes the entire equation and you will really never know what killed it. The tank or the fish's health. Not recommending you sacrifice another fish to find out, but if all of your parameters are good, stuff is already living in the tank, and you followed the acclimation process, it should fine and you should be able to have a fish in that tank. Alive.

10/03/2011, 08:54 PM	#28
abmorris Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brandon, MS Posts: 19	My wife works with an experienced reefer and she explained the symptons. He seems to think it was lack of oxygen. I have adjusted my returns to create more agitation with the surface and will try another fish this weekend. I checked my levels again tonight for grins and everything looks good. Amonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 PH 8.2 Alkalinity 4 Also there was a small hitchhiker mushroom that was growing, but now has gotten even bigger just after 2 days of the return adjustment. Thanks for everyone's comments.

10/04/2011, 02:53 PM	#29
Fish Biscuit Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,164	I have a 12g nano & I keep the lid open a few inches while I'm at the office. When I leave for the day I take a clip & keep the lid cracked open about an inch. I have a goby & blenny that I don't want carpet surfing at night, otherwise I'd chuck the lid all together.