used 344g shallow tank or new 360g deeper tank???? - Page 2

didz04 · 02/21/2012, 10:00 AM

I would definitely go for the shallow as you would appreciate the 4ft depth. I think scaping your rocks around the middle will be a nice idea. Thats how I have scaped my shallow tank so that the fish can swim around the rock scape.

Rploaded · 02/21/2012, 10:06 AM

Deep tanks allow for realistic rock work......

Why not go xx-36x30???

JRChristiansen · 02/21/2012, 10:14 AM

Thanks for all the ideas everyone! But I messed up last night. i started building the stand for the used tank last night out of 2x8x8 weathertreated wood instead of pressure treated wood

. so back to home depot when I get off work. I hope they will take back the non cut 2x8x8s. And by the way the used tank is really 360g I messed up on that 2 lol. But I will post some pics 2 night of the stand getting put together.

JRChristiansen · 02/21/2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rploaded

Deep tanks allow for realistic rock work......

Why not go xx-36x30???

Cuz my LEDs won't grow sps that deep. And I'm not made of money lol

JRChristiansen · 02/21/2012, 10:23 AM

Maybe in my next house I will have a 600g that is 30" deep

JRChristiansen · 02/22/2012, 12:35 AM

ok here are the pics of the stand so far made out of 2''x8''s and 2''x6''s

JRChristiansen · 02/22/2012, 12:38 AM

and here are some pics of the tank when i went to look at it on sunday.

Rploaded · 02/22/2012, 06:14 AM

I would double up all the lumber... Ie glue 2x2x6 together with a piece of 3/4 ply in between.... Lots of weight to deal with.... Throw a wave maker in and you've got literally tons of force. Check out my build thread for some stand ideas......

Tank looks like its in good shape....

Rploaded · 02/22/2012, 06:20 AM

You also might want to just use regular lumber. Pressure treated wood has a large tendency to shrink, warp etc as it dries out. If you do some reading only non treated wood is recommended for these larger projects.. Lastly regular untreated wood is stronger... My .02

widmer · 02/22/2012, 10:14 AM

Congrats on the new tank. FYI-

Only non-treated wood is strongly recommended over in the DIY forum because as rploaded stated, treated wood is likely to twist etc over time. Also, the top frame should really be sitting on top of the pillars rather than screwed in around the sides, because the way it is now, you essentially would have the entire tank being supported by a handful of screws.

JRChristiansen · 02/22/2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rploaded

You also might want to just use regular lumber. Pressure treated wood has a large tendency to shrink, warp etc as it dries out. If you do some reading only non treated wood is recommended for these larger projects.. Lastly regular untreated wood is stronger... My .02

I mentioned befor that at first I started building it with treated wood but I took the wood back to homedepot and got regular 2x8s and 2x6s.

JRChristiansen · 02/22/2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by widmer

Congrats on the new tank. FYI-

Only non-treated wood is strongly recommended over in the DIY forum because as rploaded stated, treated wood is likely to twist etc over time. Also, the top frame should really be sitting on top of the pillars rather than screwed in around the sides, because the way it is now, you essentially would have the entire tank being supported by a handful of screws.

Stand is not done yet that is all I got done last night tho. Trust me my stand will be well over built when I get done.

reefergeorge · 02/22/2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JRChristiansen

do you know about how old the tank is?

No, I just remember when Beldts was selling off all their large displays.. Have you checked out the SLASH forum?

sage12177 · 02/28/2012, 09:35 AM

use your 150g as your sump.

Mixed_Reef · 02/28/2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sage12177

use your 150g as your sump.

That's a waste of a good tank! Sell it on Craigslist.

tkeracer619 · 02/28/2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mixed_Reef

That's a waste of a good tank! Sell it on Craigslist.

How so? Selling a used tank for a few bucks and buying another to be used as a sump?

This is my 150g that broke a seam. I had the tops of the panes cut down to make the eurobracing.

Tell me where one would find a sump like this for $50 ?

Mixed_Reef · 02/28/2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tkeracer619

How so? Selling a used tank for a few bucks and buying another to be used as a sump?

This is my 150g that broke a seam. I had the tops of the panes cut down to make the eurobracing.

Tell me where one would find a sump like this for $50 ?

Its not a few buck but at least $200 and then buy an acrylic 100G or 75G i think would be enough. Its only a 350G tank not a 1350! If u need a sump that big to take care of excess nutrients than i think you have a bigger problem. No need to have a huge sump like that. Right? if not enlighten me

tkeracer619 · 02/28/2012, 09:31 PM

Extra rock space and cooling capacity for my berlin setup. Good enough reason for me.

I have a heavy bio load but rarely see measurable nitrates. Most of the time they are around .5. I feed a small flat of mysis, small flat of roggers, and 2 boxes of frozen cubes per week. Could I do it with a smaller sump? Probably. Would I? Sure, my other 360 has a 50g long as a sump. Both sumps cost the same to me. The clear winner is the 6ft euro braced 120.

Mixed_Reef · 03/31/2012, 11:36 PM

How's the build coming along?

JRChristiansen · 04/12/2012, 02:30 PM

sorry every one the build is going great but bad case of diatoms but typical for a new tank. im thinking of building a LED atf to combat the algae. I will be finishing the bar around it soon with tile. and be making a canopy with a lot more leds so it will be all LEDs. lost a few fish to jumping

Dragon moray ki · 04/12/2012, 04:26 PM

Pictures?

Salinity01 · 04/12/2012, 04:37 PM

I personaly like the shallow reef tanks and it would save you some money. The choice is yours. You need to get the one that you want or you will never be happy and you will end up spending more in the long run.

LOU A VILLE · 04/12/2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Salinity01

I personaly like the shallow reef tanks and it would save you some money. The choice is yours. You need to get the one that you want or you will never be happy and you will end up spending more in the long run.

He already made his choice, None of the OPs pictures are showing up for me.?

JRChristiansen · 04/13/2012, 11:47 AM

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02/21/2012, 10:14 AM	#28
JRChristiansen Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: O'Fallon, missouri Posts: 325	Thanks for all the ideas everyone! But I messed up last night. i started building the stand for the used tank last night out of 2x8x8 weathertreated wood instead of pressure treated wood. so back to home depot when I get off work. I hope they will take back the non cut 2x8x8s. And by the way the used tank is really 360g I messed up on that 2 lol. But I will post some pics 2 night of the stand getting put together.

02/28/2012, 09:31 PM	#43
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	Extra rock space and cooling capacity for my berlin setup. Good enough reason for me. I have a heavy bio load but rarely see measurable nitrates. Most of the time they are around .5. I feed a small flat of mysis, small flat of roggers, and 2 boxes of frozen cubes per week. Could I do it with a smaller sump? Probably. Would I? Sure, my other 360 has a 50g long as a sump. Both sumps cost the same to me. The clear winner is the 6ft euro braced 120. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

04/12/2012, 04:26 PM	#46
Dragon moray ki Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,236	Pictures? __________________ "He who changes the water also picks the fish." MrTuskfish David aka sandy (ask the loungers.) Current Tank Info: 600 gallon Green moray tank connected to 400 gallon shark pond. 90 gallon mixed reef

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02/21/2012, 10:00 AM	#26
didz04 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: UK Posts: 248	I would definitely go for the shallow as you would appreciate the 4ft depth. I think scaping your rocks around the middle will be a nice idea. Thats how I have scaped my shallow tank so that the fish can swim around the rock scape.

02/21/2012, 10:06 AM	#27
Rploaded Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 361	Deep tanks allow for realistic rock work...... Why not go xx-36x30???

02/21/2012, 10:23 AM	#30
JRChristiansen Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: O'Fallon, missouri Posts: 325	Maybe in my next house I will have a 600g that is 30" deep

02/22/2012, 12:35 AM	#31
JRChristiansen Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: O'Fallon, missouri Posts: 325	ok here are the pics of the stand so far made out of 2''x8''s and 2''x6''s

02/22/2012, 12:38 AM	#32
JRChristiansen Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: O'Fallon, missouri Posts: 325	and here are some pics of the tank when i went to look at it on sunday.

02/22/2012, 06:14 AM	#33
Rploaded Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 361	I would double up all the lumber... Ie glue 2x2x6 together with a piece of 3/4 ply in between.... Lots of weight to deal with.... Throw a wave maker in and you've got literally tons of force. Check out my build thread for some stand ideas...... Tank looks like its in good shape....

02/22/2012, 06:20 AM	#34
Rploaded Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 361	You also might want to just use regular lumber. Pressure treated wood has a large tendency to shrink, warp etc as it dries out. If you do some reading only non treated wood is recommended for these larger projects.. Lastly regular untreated wood is stronger... My .02

02/22/2012, 10:14 AM	#35
widmer Drug Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 2,958	Congrats on the new tank. FYI- Only non-treated wood is strongly recommended over in the DIY forum because as rploaded stated, treated wood is likely to twist etc over time. Also, the top frame should really be sitting on top of the pillars rather than screwed in around the sides, because the way it is now, you essentially would have the entire tank being supported by a handful of screws.

02/28/2012, 09:35 AM	#39
sage12177 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hillsboro, MO Posts: 143	use your 150g as your sump.

03/31/2012, 11:36 PM	#44
Mixed_Reef Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 88	How's the build coming along?

04/12/2012, 02:30 PM	#45
JRChristiansen Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: O'Fallon, missouri Posts: 325	sorry every one the build is going great but bad case of diatoms but typical for a new tank. im thinking of building a LED atf to combat the algae. I will be finishing the bar around it soon with tile. and be making a canopy with a lot more leds so it will be all LEDs. lost a few fish to jumping

04/12/2012, 04:37 PM	#47
Salinity01 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 144	I personaly like the shallow reef tanks and it would save you some money. The choice is yours. You need to get the one that you want or you will never be happy and you will end up spending more in the long run.